1995 up at 10452.

[Andrew G. Doe]

You know the rest. 

[Steve Mayo]

about the big red boat cruise.....2 ships were involved. carl flew in and out for the show. the rest of the group (plus backup band) cruised out to nassau on one ship and back on the other. one concert done on the dock between the 2 docked ships. i had a ball. met them all. bruce bought drinks during a little get together with a few fans. if anything else happened they sure didn't announce it.

[Emdeeh]

A correction:

May 21 - Calloway Gardens, Pine Mountain GA

It's spelled Callaway, all a's.

[Jonas]

how bout a link

[Andrew G. Doe]

http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/

[Jonas]

thank you!

[matt-zeus]

If the Don Was session in November reworked the original Wilson/Paley sessions tracks, when were the Paley sessions done?

[Jay]

Those aborted 1995 sessions still confuse me. Why did Carl refuse to be a part of it after only two songs were done? Were he and Brian still fighting over Brian's book? Did Carl really think the songs were "unreleaseable"? Or was he sick, and he chose not to tell anybody at the time? I noticed on the 1995 page that Carl did not take part in the Baywatch episode. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he also missed a few shows. It seems to me that he was being "phased out" in much the same way that Al was.

[Wirestone]

I don't think any of that was the case. Carl was on good enough terms with Brian to appear in the IJWMFTT doc -- the only BB to do so. Carl simply didn't like what Brian was doing, from all accounts. And Carl was working on his own project (Beckley Lamm Wilson) at the time. If you listen to that, you get some insight into what Carl thought a good record was in the mid-1990s. And it sure wasn't the Paley sessions.

[Andrew G. Doe]

If the Don Was session in November reworked the original Wilson/Paley sessions tracks, when were the Paley sessions done?

Been asking around about that, and the consensus seems to be that the Wilson/Paley sessions started in spring 1992 and ended in fall 1994 - certainly the pair were recording in summer '93. Most of the tracks were cut at Your Place Or Mine.

[Jason]

Carl found out he was ill at the end of 1996.

As far as the Was sessions, Carl chose THAT moment to be dissatisfied with the band direction and walk out? When he could have easily walked out during Keepin' The Summer Alive, which is far worse? Something doesn't compute.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Did Carl really think the songs were "unreleaseable"? Or was he sick, and he chose not to tell anybody at the time ?

There's a growing number of folk who think that Carl knew long before his spring 1997 cancer diagnosis that something was very wrong - when the band came over  January 1996 for the Status Quo thing, on TV he looked very uncomfortable and notably heavier. I saw them in PA in spring that year, and Carl looked and acted just... odd - kept motioning to the sound guy about his monitors, and his hair, well, in retrospect, it looked very wig-like.

[MBE]

Carl found out he was ill at the end of 1996.

As far as the Was sessions, Carl chose THAT moment to be dissatisfied with the band direction and walk out? When he could have easily walked out during Keepin' The Summer Alive, which is far worse? Something doesn't compute.

Carl really was mysterious in some ways. He kept to himself so much that I don't have a feel for him like I do the others.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Did Carl really think the songs were "unreleaseable"? Or was he sick, and he chose not to tell anybody at the time ?

There's a growing number of folk who think that Carl knew long before his spring 1997 cancer diagnosis that something was very wrong - when the band came over  January 1996 for the Status Quo thing, on TV he looked very uncomfortable and notably heavier. I saw them in PA in spring that year, and Carl looked and acted just... odd - kept motioning to the sound guy about his monitors, and his hair, well, in retrospect, it looked very wig-like.

He didn't look well when they were on Home Improvement either.

[Jay]

There's a video of the group doing Little Deuce Coupe on Letterman, I think it was. Carl looks pretty sick, and looks just as uncomfortable as Brian, which is weird to see.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Is that available online? I searched YouTube but never found it.

edit

nvm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP3_WoUQe84&feature=related

sh*t, if anything he looks *more* uncomfortable than Brian. Probably didn't help that he was singing with just a mic and no guitar, which was rare for him.

[matt-zeus]

If the Don Was session in November reworked the original Wilson/Paley sessions tracks, when were the Paley sessions done?

Been asking around about that, and the consensus seems to be that the Wilson/Paley sessions started in spring 1992 and ended in fall 1994 - certainly the pair were recording in summer '93. Most of the tracks were cut at Your Place Or Mine.

It would be interesting to hear the Don Was versions, maybe his uninspiring renditions didn't help to endear them to Carl? In my opinion this was one of the biggest missed opportunities of their career.

[Jay]

Did the group themselves actually ever hear the versions that the fans have?

[Steve Mayo]

and i remember thinking, while i was recording them on regis around sept 1996 , as they were playing a part of kokomo that carl looked very bad. he was heavy and swollen. he strummed an acoustic guitar and looked like death. i remember thinking that.
come to think of it...he didn't look "like carl" at the concert on the big red boat cruise in may 1995 either.

edit: i remember now that i took photos at the 1995 show. only problem one of the "ex's" has them. if i can muster up the nerve to speak to the witch i hope i can still find them. if so i could post them and let everyone see what i mean about carl. i was second row right behind the governor of the bahamas. but that is another story for another time...
but carl did look bad..esp looking back at it after what happened later to him.

[Jay]

Somebody on here a year or so ago said that Carl had gout, along with other health problems. Does anybody know the story on that?

[Andrew G. Doe]

1996 is now up and running.

[Wirestone]

As far as the Was sessions, Carl chose THAT moment to be dissatisfied with the band direction and walk out? When he could have easily walked out during Keepin' The Summer Alive, which is far worse? Something doesn't compute.

Well, for one thing Carl was producing and writing on "Keeping the Summer Alive," which is titled after his song. So he had something invested in that album.

Secondly, Carl did walk out on the Beach Boys in the early 1980s, to pursue his solo career. So it's not like he was totally silent.

Finally, you really should listen to "Like a Brother." That was the sound Carl was pursuing in his later years. Glossy AC pop. And the self-consciously retro Paley sessions were antithetical to that mindset. I think it's telling that Carl and Brian got along better under Joe Thomas -- who was nothing if not a glossy AC pop enabler.

[MBE]

Is it just me or does anyone else get depressed when reading the details of the Country remake era. Such a waste,

[Fall Breaks]

Is it just me or does anyone else get depressed when reading the details of the Country remake era. Such a waste,

No it's not just you. Imagine having the mid 90s Beach Boys, with Carl, with Brian, in the studio, together, recording again... and at such a rare occasion, what do they record? Remakes. Country remakes. And "Long Tall Texan". A grown man could cry from less.

[Wilsonista]

That's the sole reason why I dislike the whole S & S project.