Little Bird - Charlie Manson

[Jason]

Did a little digging, that stuff is from 1967 before he and Dennis met. Andrew, Desper among others say the Dennis Manson stuff is locked away and has not been heard since 1969.

They also say that about many things in the Beach Boys world. They're out in some form.

[sofonanm]

Did a little digging, that stuff is from 1967 before he and Dennis met. Andrew, Desper among others say the Dennis Manson stuff is locked away and has not been heard since 1969.

so it's not possible that tapes or reels or whatever were given to manson or his friends around the time they were recorded?

i'm listening to it now and there's a lot of studio chatter but i'm not familiar much with dennis' speaking voice to know if he's there.

i wouldn't be surprised if the stuff manson did at brian's studio IS out, in the hands of manson's people and underground bootleggers, but the beach boys' crew and associates would rather put that past way behind them rather than go looking for lost manson tapes 'locked in the vault'.

[sofonanm]

btw, manson's cover of frankie laine's "remember me" is really great. totally turned that song around into a freak folk sort of thing,.

[sofonanm]

did dennis have a big booming laugh?

a HA HA HA HA HAAA sort of deep throated low toned thing?

'cause i hear that.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Did a little digging, that stuff is from 1967 before he and Dennis met. Andrew, Desper among others say the Dennis Manson stuff is locked away and has not been heard since 1969.

They also say that about many things in the Beach Boys world. They're out in some form.

Trust me - they're not, and very likely never will be.

[sofonanm]

You guys are as paranoid and delusional as Brian Wilson thinking that his music was causing random fires in L.A. 

It's just Charles Manson... he's like a sewer rat with a guitar. o0o0o0oh, spooky!! 

[Andrew G. Doe]

It's the association, not the music.

[Rocker]

Here's something I found on youtube. The first part of a Manson-interview. He mentions writing with Dennis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnM5hxxpTPg&feature=related

[Dave in KC]

did dennis have a big booming laugh?

a HA HA HA HA HAAA sort of deep throated low toned thing?

'cause i hear that.

He sure did, at least from the mid 70's on. By 1982, again when I was around him, he wasn't laughing much and the voice was just about gone. But yes, you take Denny's voice and laughter, which I was lucky enough to be around at concerts, you descibed it fairly well. Instant charm enveloped the area.

[sofonanm]

did dennis have a big booming laugh?

a HA HA HA HA HAAA sort of deep throated low toned thing?

'cause i hear that.

He sure did, at least from the mid 70's on. By 1982, again when I was around him, he wasn't laughing much and the voice was just about gone. But yes, you take Denny's voice and laughter, which I was lucky enough to be around at concerts, you descibed it fairly well. Instant charm enveloped the area.

Then it could be him, I s'pose.

Does anyone else care to check out the Manson recordings that I linked to to verify whether it was Dennis? He (the voice) can be heard quite often chatting with Manson between takes.

By the way, the conversations were very friendly. It didn't seem like a musician/engineer "time is money, let's get going" sort of situation. They were discussing philosophy, books, prison, music, and the guy ("Dennis") seemed to be in the 'new friend' position in their relationship.

Here's the post again in case it was overlooked:

this might be of interest to some people: http://mansonmusic.blogspot.com/2006_07_01_archive.html

blog entry says it's the music manson recorded with dennis, and melcher.

EDIT: I HAVE CUT THREE LITTLE SNIPPETS OF DENNIS (?) LAUGHING AND TALKING. Download here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/b02u6v

If it IS him, I would like AGD to mail me $20 for a bet I made with him (which he doesn't know about yet - it occurred in my head). 

[Andrew G. Doe]

Did a little digging, that stuff is from 1967 before he and Dennis met. Andrew, Desper among others say the Dennis Manson stuff is locked away and has not been heard since 1969.

Ergo, as it's from 1967, can't be Dennis.

[sofonanm]

Did a little digging, that stuff is from 1967 before he and Dennis met. Andrew, Desper among others say the Dennis Manson stuff is locked away and has not been heard since 1969.

Ergo, as it's from 1967, can't be Dennis.

Did you listen to the clips I linked to?

[Ebb and Flow]

They don't sound anything like Dennis.  Sounds like a deeper voice and from an older person.

[sofonanm]

They don't sound anything like Dennis.  Sounds like a deeper voice and from an older person.

Alright. That's the whole point - I had no idea how Dennis' speaking voice sounded and no one seemed interested in listening to the audio to verify it or not.

[MBE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQmcovQpvdg
This is what Dennis' speaking voice sounded like until 1974.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Did a little digging, that stuff is from 1967 before he and Dennis met. Andrew, Desper among others say the Dennis Manson stuff is locked away and has not been heard since 1969.

Ergo, as it's from 1967, can't be Dennis.

Did you listen to the clips I linked to?

Sure did. Not Dennis - his normal speaking voice pre-1973/4 wasn't that deep.

Aside from anything else, the sound quality is way too bad for them to be from Brian's home studio.

[ESQ Editor]

Andrew… interesting, but based on everything Stephen Kalinich has described on his collaboration with Dennis… Well, nothing's ever been documented about Kalinich and Manson. The words carry more of a "Kalinich prose" than anything else. 

[sofonanm]

Is it actually verified that Manson and Dennis actually wrote songs together? I don't know too much about it but I was under the impression that Dennis liked a few of Manson's songs, asked if he could record them himself or with his group, got the OK, and did it (changing words and music where he pleased). Manson doesn't seem like the "let's sit around trying to find an appropriate phrasing to match this chord change" sort of guy. More like a "I'm gonna sing this into the wind an' if you catch it you can take it and if you don't just leave it".

[Andrew G. Doe]

Andrew… interesting, but based on everything Stephen Kalinich has described on his collaboration with Dennis… Well, nothing's ever been documented about Kalinich and Manson. The words carry more of a "Kalinich prose" than anything else. 

I owe Stevie an email - I'll ask him again. 

[MBE]

I'll be pretty interested as I do have my interview tape with him claiming the lyrics.