Brother/Reprise 45 Questions

[JeffRetro]

Hi,

I have some questions regarding some of the U.S. Brother/Reprise 45's, and I know some of the people here will know the answers:

1. Has anyone ever seen or does anyone have a stock copy of "Tears In The Morning"/"It's About Time" (Brother/Reprise 0957), and if so, are they the same mixes as on SUNFLOWER?  Promos are fairly easy to find, and itound like both songs are stereo foldovers of the SUNFLOWER mixes.  In addition, "Tears..." on the promo has been faded quickly directly after the final vocal, "I'm missing you...," cutting the piano tag out completely.  If stock copies exist, do they also have this same shortened version of "Tears..."?

2. The 1993 GV box set faetured a version of "Long Promised Road" missing the first chord so that the song started off on the 1 beat immediately prior to the first vocal line.  Does either issue of the "Long Promised Road" 45 (Brother/Reprise 1015 b/w "Deirdre" or Brother/Reprise 1047 b/w "'Til I Die) feature this version with the first chord edited out, or was this just a mistake on the box set (it would seem like a logical edit for a single, which is why i'm wondering).

3. I know stock copies of "You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone"/"Cuddle Up" (Brother/Reprise 1091) exist, because there's a scan of one on The Flames website.  But this has to be one of the hardest to find singles to find as a stock copy, while promos, again, are not that hard to find.  The promo has a different mix of "Cuddle Up" than on CATP (it's mono, but not a simple stereo foldover, and features acoustic guitar and other things not audiable on the stereo LP mix).  Does the stock copy have a similarly different stereo mix of "Cuddle Up," or is it simply the CATP stereo mix?

Thanks in advance for any help!

[Dove Nested Towers]

Sorry, I don't know the answers to any of your detailed and knowledgeable questions, but I'm
sure that someone on this board will be able to provide some answers.

I wanted to piggyback a little on your thread and ask about the relative rarity of the beautiful
Lady/Sound of Free picture sleeve shown on the Through the Opera Glass website (I think).

Is it absolutely unobtainable, or is there hope? It has an incredibly elusive aura about it.

[mikeyj]

Sorry, I don't know the answers to any of your detailed and knowledgeable questions, but I'm
sure that someone on this board will be able to provide some answers.

I wanted to piggyback a little on your thread and ask about the relative rarity of the beautiful
Lady/Sound of Free picture sleeve shown on the Through the Opera Glass website (I think).

Is it absolutely unobtainable, or is there hope? It has an incredibly elusive aura about it.

That's the French one you mean right? I know that some people on here have a copy but I'm pretty sure they are REALLY rare and expensive. I agree though, that would be a cool 45 to have.

[Christian]

I wanted to piggyback a little on your thread and ask about the relative rarity of the beautiful
Lady/Sound of Free picture sleeve shown on the Through the Opera Glass website (I think).

Is it absolutely unobtainable, or is there hope?

According to Bgas on the ShutDown-Vol.2 board there´s only one copy - and that´s a fabrication by Brad Elliott!

http://www.shutdown-vol2.com/forum/index.php?topic=2911.75

[smile-holland]

1. Should check out my copy, don't remember it right now and will get back on it.

2. See 1.

3. Yes, the regular 45-release, whether it's the US-pressing or any other pressing (and I have several European + a South African pressing in my collection), is a different mix compared to the album-version.

[gxios]

I have a stock of "Tears In the Morning" 45 and it's a stereo version which matches the promo (and album).  I have both releases of "Long Promised Road" and I'll check the beginnings.  I got a stock copy of "Mess/Cuddle" when it was first released only because my Beach Boys superfan friend worked for a local record store and made them order it.  Cuddle Up is a different mix- I like it better.

[JeffRetro]

I have a stock of "Tears In the Morning" 45 and it's a stereo version which matches the promo (and album).  I have both releases of "Long Promised Road" and I'll check the beginnings.  I got a stock copy of "Mess/Cuddle" when it was first released only because my Beach Boys superfan friend worked for a local record store and made them order it.  Cuddle Up is a different mix- I like it better.

Thanks to SMILE-Holland and gxios for their info so far, but can i just clarify one thing?  By saying that your stock "Tears..." is a stereo mix which matches both the promo and album, I'm guessing it's the regular SUNFLOWER mix faded quickly before the piano tag, right?

And if the mix of "Cuddle Up" on stock copies is similar to that of the promo i think I'll like that one better also.  I'll have one on order shortly. :-)

[Christian]

Thanks to SMILE-Holland and gxios for their info so far, but can i just clarify one thing?  By saying that your stock "Tears..." is a stereo mix which matches both the promo and album, I'm guessing it's the regular SUNFLOWER mix faded quickly before the piano tag, right?

Well, my stock copy plays the full album version (4:03) despite the label saying otherwise (3:10), while the promo one really has the faded version (3:10).

[Christian]

2. The 1993 GV box set faetured a version of "Long Promised Road" missing the first chord so that the song started off on the 1 beat immediately prior to the first vocal line.  Does either issue of the "Long Promised Road" 45 (Brother/Reprise 1015 b/w "Deirdre" or Brother/Reprise 1047 b/w "'Til I Die) feature this version with the first chord edited out, or was this just a mistake on the box set (it would seem like a logical edit for a single, which is why i'm wondering).

Both, Brother/Reprise 1015 and 1047, feature the "full" Surf´s Up version.

[Dove Nested Towers]

I wanted to piggyback a little on your thread and ask about the relative rarity of the beautiful
Lady/Sound of Free picture sleeve shown on the Through the Opera Glass website (I think).

Is it absolutely unobtainable, or is there hope?

According to Bgas on the ShutDown-Vol.2 board there´s only one copy - and that´s a fabrication by Brad Elliott!

http://www.shutdown-vol2.com/forum/index.php?topic=2911.75

Thanks, Christian, that was a link to an interesting and typically inconclusive thread. In the
end, BGas claimed that he made up the "fact" that it was fabricated by Elliott, and Peter Reum
made a rare and welcome appearance in the thread, but didn't address "Beach Head"s claim that
the one Elliott had sold at a convention originally came from his collection, which I'm sure is a sen-
sitive subject for him, and the buyer of the "French 45" almost tearfully sought reassurance that the "jewel" of her collection was genuine, at which point BGas apparently regretted his prank and
admitted making it all up.

I guess I'll take BGas' retraction at face value and assume that it is a legitimate, released 45 and
hope to miraculously find one someday.

[JeffRetro]

2. The 1993 GV box set faetured a version of "Long Promised Road" missing the first chord so that the song started off on the 1 beat immediately prior to the first vocal line.  Does either issue of the "Long Promised Road" 45 (Brother/Reprise 1015 b/w "Deirdre" or Brother/Reprise 1047 b/w "'Til I Die) feature this version with the first chord edited out, or was this just a mistake on the box set (it would seem like a logical edit for a single, which is why i'm wondering).

Both, Brother/Reprise 1015 and 1047, feature the "full" Surf´s Up version.

Christian,

Thanks for the info on this and "Tears..."!

[JeffRetro]

All right, one more question, if I may, about a single from this period, that being the US "Surfin' USA"/"The Warmth Of The Sun" 45 (Capitol 3924, orange label) issued in conjunction with ENDLESS SUMMER

The labels on the 45 indicate both sides as stereo, but on ENDLESS SUMMER "Surfin' USA" was mono.  So is SUSA actually stereo on the single, or is the label wrong?  I'm guessing that "Warmth..." on the B-side is the same regular true stereo mix as on ENDLESS SUMMER.

Thanks!

[Christian]

All right, one more question, if I may, about a single from this period, that being the US "Surfin' USA"/"The Warmth Of The Sun" 45 (Capitol 3924, orange label) issued in conjunction with ENDLESS SUMMER

The labels on the 45 indicate both sides as stereo, but on ENDLESS SUMMER "Surfin' USA" was mono.  So is SUSA actually stereo on the single, or is the label wrong?  I'm guessing that "Warmth..." on the B-side is the same regular true stereo mix as on ENDLESS SUMMER.

Thanks!

The label is wrong! SUSA is mono on this single.

[Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll]

This reminds me of a cd single released maybe early ninties of TITM/It's about time.

can't seem to find it now, what was the deal with that again? vaguely remember it being dutch.

[JeffRetro]

All right, one more question, if I may, about a single from this period, that being the US "Surfin' USA"/"The Warmth Of The Sun" 45 (Capitol 3924, orange label) issued in conjunction with ENDLESS SUMMER

The labels on the 45 indicate both sides as stereo, but on ENDLESS SUMMER "Surfin' USA" was mono.  So is SUSA actually stereo on the single, or is the label wrong?  I'm guessing that "Warmth..." on the B-side is the same regular true stereo mix as on ENDLESS SUMMER.

Thanks!

The label is wrong! SUSA is mono on this single.

Thanks, Christian.  I figured they used the same master as on ENDLESS SUMMER but just wanted to check.

[JeffRetro]

This reminds me of a cd single released maybe early ninties of TITM/It's about time.

can't seem to find it now, what was the deal with that again? vaguely remember it being dutch.

Yeah, that was a Dutch single issued in conjunction with "The Dutch Singles Collection" compilation in 1998, the only interesting aspect of which was the inclusion of the unique Dutch botched "mix" of "Bluebirds Over The Mountain" (unfortunately an inferior-sounding needle drop though).

[smile-holland]

This reminds me of a cd single released maybe early ninties of TITM/It's about time.

can't seem to find it now, what was the deal with that again? vaguely remember it being dutch.

and




the original Dutch release form 1970, also had a simple layout btw...

[Christian]

the original Dutch release form 1970, also had a simple layout btw...

... and another example: don´t believe covers/labels as this Dutch single features the 4:03 version, and not the abridged 3:10 version as stated.

[JeffRetro]

the original Dutch release form 1970, also had a simple layout btw...

... and another example: don´t believe covers/labels as this Dutch single features the 4:03 version, and not the abridged 3:10 version as stated.

The label that did this the most - most likely done for the "benefit" of radio stations, who were reluctant to play songs three minutes and over - was Motown.  If a Motown (or one of its related labels) single went significantly over the three minute mark, they wouild routinely list the timing on the label as 2:58 or 2:59.  Must have worked pretty well, considering the hit/miss ratio that Motown had in the 60's.

The best example of "creative timing" I've seen  is Simon & Garfunkel's single of "Fakin' It," which lists the song as 2:74!  Cleveer, eh?