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Jeff
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For years I’ve worked on various attempts to replicate what Smile might have been, without ever coming up with a satisfactory product. I’ve also tried compiling CDs of the various sessions, but those too have left a lot to be desired.
So I’m trying a new way, which for me is working much better. I’m extending the time period of my compilation to 1971, and include any Smile-like tunes in that period I want to hear. I’ve stayed away from alternates, in order to make the disc as listenable as possible, but otherwise feel like I’ve included what I need.
Having said that, I’d really welcome any comments. Here’s the list:
SMiLING, 1966-71
1 You’re Welcome
2 Good Vibrations
3 Cabinessence
4 He Gives Speeches
5 Do You Like Worms
6 Wonderful (GV box set)
7 Heroes & Villains intro
8 Heroes & Villains (Cantina)
9 How I Love My Girl (SOT 17)
10 My Children Were Raised/Sunny Down Snuff (last 1½ mins. of H&V single)
11 Barnyard
12 The Old Master Painter (no tag)
13 Can’t Wait Too Long
14 With Me Tonight (Smiley Smile)
15 I’m in Great Shape
16 I Wanna Be Around/Friday Night (faded out early)
17 Whistle In (Smiley Smile)
18 Old Folks at Home/Ol’ Man River
19 Wind Chimes (GV box set)
20 Whispering Winds
21 Holidays
22 The Elements, part 1 - Fire
23 Fall Breaks and Back to Winter
24 I Love to Say Da Da
25 Diamond Head
26 Little Pad
27 Cool Cool Water (Sunflower)
28 Vegetables (GV box set)
29 Child Is Father of the Man (April 1967)
30 Look
31 A Day in the Life of a Tree
32 ‘Til I Die
33 Our Prayer (20/20)
34 Surf’s Up (Surf’s Up)
As for what I have not included, here’s a general list:
Air DaDa
All Day
CIFOTM early version
Comedy sketches
Good Vibrations alternate instrumental sections
Good Vibrations hum-de-hums
Good Vibrations Pet Sounds version
H&V bridge to Indians
H&V country western theme & flutter horn
H&V orgasmic sounds
H&V part 2 final verse of dit-dit-dits
H&V single – first 2:10 (before slow “My Children Were Raised”)
Mama Says (Wild Honey)
Old Master Painter “barnshine” tag
She’s Goin’ Bald
Surf’s Up solo piano
Tones
Unknown (Spanish style) Instrumental
Vega-Tables demo
Vegetables Smiley Smile/Hawthorne versions
Vegetables promo bits
Wonderful mamamamamamas
Wonderful with jazzy and Rock Me Henry overdubs
Wonderful Smiley Smile version
Wind Chimes Smiley Smile version
Of course, the majority of Beach Boys songs from late 1967 through 1971 are not really Smile-like, so they also are excluded from this compilation.
Thanks for any thoughts.
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January 23, 2009, 02:12:50 PM »
You need Country Air from Wild Honey in there... pretty good list!
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January 23, 2009, 02:24:48 PM »
Thanks. I thought about Country Air, since it may have been derived from the mysterious "air" section of the Elements. But it's always sounded more R&B-like than Smil-ish to me.
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January 23, 2009, 07:09:00 PM »
I like that comp a lot, Jeff. Well thought out, sequenced, and, as you say, very listenable.
Years ago, in the days of the 90 minute cassette, and before the many bootlegs and downloading, I attempted something like this. I wanted to fill the 90 minute tape, but didn't have enough actual SMiLE material, so I filled it in with other SMiLE-like songs, just like you did. And it worked! It was eye-opening that much of Brian's post-SMiLE work could've actually fit on/with SMiLE. If you didn't tell people it wasn't SMiLE, like "Til I Die", "Can't Wait Too Long", and "A Day In The Life Of A Tree", they wouldn't know.
I really like the songs you chose for your comp; it does flow; it makes sense. I'm assuming it fits on an 80 min. CD?
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January 23, 2009, 07:40:30 PM »
Thanks Sheriff. They do indeed fit on an 80-minute CD, but just barely; there's only about a minute of free space. It's actually coincidental. I never intended to use the entire CD, but the songs I identified took me right up to the brink.
Doing this has been fun, partly because it gets me thinking about connections between various songs that I wouldn't think about if I were just using my standard Smile formula. For example, I really like having Prayer between 'Til I Die and Surf's Up rather than at the start, as all three are very spiritual songs.
Also, placing songs like Tree and Diamond Head in this context, rather than their original albums, helps bring out subtle aspects of those tunes that I'd otherwise miss, maybe in the way that certain color schemes will help bring out the best in each other. As brilliant as much of the BB and BW material has been, some (though certainly not all) of the albums are, IMO, disjointed and less than the sum of their parts. Compiling songs by genre can really help with this.
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January 24, 2009, 02:21:17 PM »
I'd stick Time To get Alone in there too, but the Redwood one, or maybe the backing track to that version - sounds very Smile to me, with the French Horn (or whatever it is) break. Somebody on this board was under the impression TTGA was written during Smile, and the theory is very believable - it is of the same quality as some of the best Smile tracks imo.
Anyway great list. I'd have to agree that Country Air is a major oversight - sounds dead 'Smile' to these ears!
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January 24, 2009, 03:45:13 PM »
OK, well this is why I posted this ... I was hoping people might point out something I'm missing. Thanks Winston and Buddha, I'll try Country Air between Little Pad and Cool Cool Water.
I do disagree on Time to Get Alone, though--in spite of its possible inclusion in Smile concerts. The lyrics (a retreat from the world) sound very Friends-ish to me, and much of the track is very spare.
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January 24, 2009, 04:20:54 PM »
I'd put Little Bird in there also.
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Quote from: Jeff on January 24, 2009, 03:45:13 PM
Thanks Winston and Buddha, I'll try Country Air between Little Pad and Cool Cool Water.
But, what would you take off?
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January 24, 2009, 04:25:26 PM »
Quote from: Wrightfan on January 24, 2009, 04:20:54 PM
I'd put Little Bird in there also.
As would I, given the CIFOM quote it contains.
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January 24, 2009, 06:09:44 PM »
I initially though I would include Little Bird, but to my ears, it doesn't use all that much of of CIFOTM, and is otherwise fairly similar to the other Friends tracks ("guess I'll go and mow the lawn").
With Country Air added, I'm up to 79:57, and that's after changing things to use the shorter, tag-less version of Can't Wait Too Long (from the GV box set) and the slightly shorter version of Ol Man River (from the 1990 issue of Friends/20/20 instead of the 2001 issue). I also had to delete bits of end-of-track blank space here and there to make things fit.
But I'm still interested in everyone's comments and suggestions--even if I don't wind up using them. :>
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January 24, 2009, 08:07:20 PM »
It's just my opinion, but I don't hear any SMiLE in "Little Bird". And, I don't know if it matters (depends if you're a purist, I guess), but it's a Dennis track, and SMiLE is Brian.
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Quote from: Jeff on January 24, 2009, 06:09:44 PM
I initially though I would include Little Bird, but to my ears, it doesn't use all that much of of CIFOTM, and is otherwise fairly similar to the other Friends tracks ("guess I'll go and mow the lawn").
With Country Air added, I'm up to 79:57, and that's after changing things to use the shorter, tag-less version of Can't Wait Too Long (from the GV box set) and the slightly shorter version of Ol Man River (from the 1990 issue of Friends/20/20 instead of the 2001 issue). I also had to delete bits of end-of-track blank space here and there to make things fit.
But I'm still interested in everyone's comments and suggestions--even if I don't wind up using them. :>
Ol Man River is one of my favourite BB's tracks of all, even in it's incomplete state. I hope that a more complete version will turn up one day.
If you have iTunes, you could constuct playlists which would allow you to exceed the capacity of a cd (although you would have to listen via computer or mp3 player).
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Quote from: Sheriff John Stone on January 24, 2009, 08:07:20 PM
It's just my opinion, but I don't hear any SMiLE in "Little Bird". And, I don't know if it matters (depends if you're a purist, I guess), but it's a Dennis track, and SMiLE is Brian.
It's there. Listen to the drums, bass, and trombone (think it's a trombone) at the end of Little Bird ("Little Bird up in a tree...") and match it with the chorus of Child. It's almost an exact fit.
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January 25, 2009, 11:53:43 AM »
And that was Brian's (uncredited) contribution to the song.
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on January 25, 2009, 11:53:43 AM
And that was Brian's (uncredited) contribution to the song.
Didn't he also write the part that goes "What a day...what a day...ooh what a beautiful day this is?"
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January 25, 2009, 07:06:14 PM »
Now I'm thinking of adding Let the Wind Blow, which seems like a must if Country Air is in there. That would mean taking out Little Pad, which I think drags things down a bit with its stoned laughter.
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Quote from: Jeff on January 25, 2009, 07:06:14 PM
Now I'm thinking of adding Let the Wind Blow, which seems like a must if Country Air is in there. That would mean taking out Little Pad, which I think drags things down a bit with its stoned laughter.
So, you can't fit the pieces of the puzzle? Are you trying to pull "a Brian", with all of this tinkering?
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January 25, 2009, 08:10:01 PM »
Ha, I've been trying to come up with the perfect Smile (now Smile-like) compilation for maybe 9 or 10 years now, far longer than Brian tinkered, so I guess you could say I'm much worse...
Although people like me who try and put this material together don't necessarily have any musical ability (I don't anyway), we probably do have a certain obsessive/perfectionist personality trait in common with Brian. Good thing or bad thing? Who knows?
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While I loved Brian's
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Smile
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January 28, 2009, 08:40:09 PM »
Someone on this board noted that they thought Brian really didn't stop working on Smile (at least in his head) for a while after the official scrapping. Many times I have wished I could allow myself to use Diamond Head as the Elements water section. I feel like it is closer to the original spirit of Smile with all its water sound effects and instruments sounding like tropical birds. It also fits nicely into the journey to Hawaii theme. These ideas were clearly still floating around in his head in early 1968. I also have wished I could put Old Man River on my Smile mix. It would sound great coming out of Cabin Essence or as a section of an extended H & V.
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No one can say I don't learn from others on the board. I've added several suggestions and come to what I hope will be the last mix for a while. The new one is just over 89 minutes - so I had to buy special CDRs and download new software just to get it all on one CD.
I especially like the end - several spiritual tunes in a row, ending with Meant for You ("as I sit and close my eyes, there's peace in my mind, and I'm hoping that you'll find it too"), which brings things full circle from the start ("you're welcome to come").
SMiLING, 1966-71
1 You’re Welcome
2 Heroes & Villains intro
3 Heroes & Villains (cantina)
4 How I Love My Girl
5 My Children Were Raised/Sunny Down Snuff
6 Barnyard
7 The Old Master Painter
8 Can’t Wait Too Long
9 With Me Tonight (Smiley Smile)
10 I’m in Great Shape
11 I Wanna Be Around/Friday Night
12 Sail Plane Song
13 Whistle In
14 He Gives Speeches
15 Do You Like Worms
16 Little Pad
17 Wonderful (Smile)
18 Wonderful tag
19 Look
20 Good Vibrations
21 Cabinessence
22 Old Folks at Home/Ol’ Man River
23 Country Air
24 Wind Chimes (Smile)
25 Whispering Winds
26 Holidays
27 The Elements, part 1 - Fire
28 Fall Breaks and Back to Winter
29 I Love to Say Da Da
30 Cool Cool Water (Sunflower)
31 Diamond Head
32 Little Bird
33 Vegetables (Smile)
34 Child Is Father of the Man (April 1967)
35 Let the Wind Blow
36 A Day in the Life of a Tree
37 ‘Til I Die
38 Our Prayer
39 Surf’s Up (1971)
-- pause of 5 secs.--
40 Meant for You
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Cool, Jeff. 40 songs! What version of "I'm In Great Shape" did you use? For awhile now, I've been using "Holidays" before "Wind Chimes" and "Whispering Winds", but I do like it AFTER those two songs; it works both ways; now you got me thinking....
Mr. Moderator, any chance you can combine this thread with the "Your Personal SMiLE Mix" thread?
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For Great Shape, I just edited together one of the bootleg backing tracks (the one that I believe is slightly higher) with a portion of the EH demo, in order to match BWPS. They really fit together seamlessly.
Great Shape was one of just a few “fan edit” tracks I used – along with DYLW (overdubbed with the H&V Sections bicycle rider vocals), Wonderful (overdubbed with the “yo-de-lay-hee-hoo” vocals), Barnyard (bootleg track mixed with EH vocals) and IWBA/Friday Night (faded out after 30 secs. of the woodshop sounds). All of these edits roughly match the BWPS tracks. And I believe everything else was a released track or a boot of a BW mix.
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Can't forget "Aren't You Glad"!! The piano in that song sounds just like "All Day" to me.
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