The Beach Boys and the California Myth - David Leaf (1978 & 1985)

[49ersphil]

Hi All

   

I'm new here so be gentle!

I'm looking for a copy of David Leaf's "California Myth" book but I have a question.

I understand that there are 2 editions of it.
My natural instinct is to go for the updated version but are there any good reasons to go for the original?

Looking through previous posts it seems that some guys around here don't care for David.
Any particular reason?

[MBE]

If you do buy it realize that he thinks it's Brian and the 5 a--holes. It has some merit but it's not fair to people like Marilyn Wilson or any of Brian's family really.  If you had a choice go for the new version. I have laid out why I don't like him personally in old posts. You probably have read them but if you have any questions after looking at them let me know.

[Spencer]

I'm new to this forum- I havne't read David Leaf's book yet but I'm excited about it- I've tried to find your comments on David Leaf but this forum is massive- do you know what topic they were in please?

[SMiLE-Holland]

Hello spencer,

You'd be surprised to hear this, but until now there's hasn't been a big discussion on this book yet. But who knows it might start right now...

[Spencer]

well fortuitously I've just got hold of one today- it may be golddust, I've been trying to find it all year I've looked all over Britain (well it feels like), scoured bookshops in Paris to no avail,  finally I discovered a friend who lives streets away had a copy even thogh I've been looking for it all year- anyway I'll read it this weekend and then hopefully we can begin some friendly debating

[Ian]

I think it is a very good book.  It is well written and covers most of the things you'd want to know-up to the late 70s. The 1985 reprint covers the 1978-84 period in summary fashion.  The rap against the book (and DL) is that it is very pro-Brian to the detriment of the other BBs.  There's no doubt that almost every BB book ever written has focused more on BW than anyone else (or DW), but that doesn't mean its not worth reading.  Of course-as a weirdo who has spent the last few years zealously unearthing as many facts as I can about the BBs-touring, sessions, etc-I can spot many errors in Leaf-but he wrote the book in 1977 (and last updated it in 1985).  It also, of course, suggested that a BB renaissance was still possible-but as we know now-1977 was really the end of the Brian dominated BBs, rather than just the start of a second great BW era.

[Wilsonista]

I think it's telling that attempts to be fair and objective in telling the Beach Boys' story all wind up putting the bulk of the focus on Brian over the rest of the group.  Endless Harmony has a more egalitarian approach but again, Brian looms large in the story that was told there. Catch A Wave avoids the obvious hero worship of Brian that David Leaf has, but most of the same people who come off looking bad in Peter Carlin's book come off looking bad in Leaf's book too. All of this tells me that maybe Leaf wasn't as off-base as one might think.

[Spencer]

Well I'm agreeing with that- it's strange as the most of the Beach Boys and the label didn't seem to like Smile yes they also didn't like the other marvelous songs and ideas Brian Had to offer like 'Until I die', yet they were unable to come up with anything better and took strange decisions like re-recording their own hits; which along with Capitol's decision to constantly re-release past hits amounted to a constant recycling of Beach Boys material for decades.

Also this almost 'ban' on Brian producing/collaborating with other bands strangled a vital outside influence that all bands require to grow. After all, the Beatles were forever collaborating with others and writing songs for other people when they were together and this can only help an artist.

Time and time again, in book after book the same people come up as being down on Brian's ambitions and not being willing to give him space- ultimately this was to the group's detriment.

Although I was able to see a little of the other side of things when I recently finally read Jules Siegel's article, and I can quite imagine the frustration of the band and label as they watched months and months of studio time and money disappear in increasingly outré pursuits. Still it's a great shame the band/label couldn't have realised what Mr Wison was trying to acheive and all work together to release SMILE in some form that wasn't Smiley Smile (interesting though that is), or that Brian wasn't allowed to release it as a solo record.

David Leaf's book also notes how upon being fired as gruop manager Murry Wilson spent a great deal of time in bed. To quote the wise words of the motion picture Superman- "The son becomes the father, and the father becomes the son"

[Andrew G. Doe]

Coupla comments:

and the label didn't seem to like Smile

As the Capitol execs never actually heard any of the Smile sessions while they were in progress, that's hardly a fair comment... and right up until Brian said he was scrapping it, they were waiting impatiently for it.

Also this almost 'ban' on Brian producing/collaborating with other bands strangled a vital outside influence that all bands require to grow. After all, the Beatles were forever collaborating with others and writing songs for other people when they were together and this can only help an artist.

Huh  

Here's a list of Brian's non-BB single productions 1963-65:

  4/63     Honeys              Shoot The Curl/Surfin' Down the Swannee River
  9/63     Honeys              Pray For Surf/Hide Go Seek
10/63     Sharon Marie       Run-Around Lover/Summertime
12/63     Honeys               The One You Can't Have/
  1/64     Survivors            Pamela Jean/After The Game
  3/64     Castells               I Do/
  3/64     Paul Petersen    She Rides With Me/
  4/64     Honeys              He's A Doll/The Love Of A Boy And A Girl
  6/64     Gary Usher        Sacramento/Just The Way I Feel
  6/64     Sharon Marie     Thinkin' 'Bout You Baby/Story Of My Life
  6/65     Glen Campbell   Guess I'm Dumb/
  9/65     Bob & Bobby      Twelve-O-Four/Baby What You Want Me To Do

During the same three years, he also co-wrote tracks for Jan & Dean and sang bvs on releases by J&D, The Hondells, The Timers, Annette Funicello, Hale & The Hushabyes and The Blossoms. Brian used these extra-curricular outings to hone his work with session musicians.

[Spencer]

ok well as for capital maybe, I always got the impression that they just didn't understand what Brian was aiming at and weren't very encouraging. They were hardly helpful with their practice of releasing greatest hits when they should have been promoting Pet Sounds and making them record Beach Boys party- if they'd pushed pet sounds more then it may have been as successful as it was in Britain giving Brian more clout and more importantly confidence to do SMILE. Although I recognise that Brian could have released SMILE if he wanted to and pressed on in defiance of others, I think he was just ground down by both his own band and label not understanding, and whilst after reading 'Goodbye Surfing Hello God' I can comprehend why the Beach Boys were a little hesitant about Smile and about the perceived increasingly aimless recording sessions, they should have left him to it after all the people who seemed most in opposition to SMILE were hardly capable of writing a song themselves. The point Mr Leaf makes which I agree with is that the Beach Boys were not urbane, cultural literates and this clashed with Brian's natural curiosity and appetite to try anything.

As for those collaborations- are they all Brian's songs? It always seemed through numerous accounts that he was discouraged from giving good songs to others and indeed the whole BB camp seemed opposed to him collaborating with others- Van Dyke Parks etc? Unless of course they were pre-approved? Is this fair? Although I've just noticed that he did co-write some of those songs. hmm maybe I've been reading to much of Wouldn't it be nice then?

[punkinhead]

Any chance this would be available or there's going to be a newer version?