Smile - what's in private hands & uncirculated?

[mistermono]

What Smile stuff is KNOWN to exist, but remains in the hands of private collectors or is uncirculated? 

This topic has come up before, but I'd love a recap given some of the recent wishful thinking on the board re: a box set.

[Bicyclerider]

There's Barnyard without the vocal "sound effects."

We know acetates of different versions of Heroes and Villains exist - what state they are in and exactly what's on them is unknown.

[Black Tiger]

Rumor has it that there is a tape of Vegatables that has toothbrushing sound effects. I don't think it ever actually existed though, to be honest

[Bicyclerider]

Well actually I believe it's a tape of Mama Says/Do a Lot with scrubbing and toothbrush effects.  I believe it exists as the person who claims to have it also had a bunch of other tapes that did eventually see release on boot.  That one has yet to turn up though, I believe the owner was busted secondary to Beatles boot material, so we probably won't ever hear this one. 

[onkster]

Domenic has the complete, edited master of the whole album.

In the correct, undeniably godlike running order.  (And he should know, he sequenced it.)

 

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Bwahahahaahahahaha....

[LostArt]

Bruce Johnston has said that he has some acetates.  I believe he mentioned one with Heroes and Villains.  Perhaps this is one of the early mixes with Great Shape, or the legendary 5 or 6 minute version from spring '67.  There's the infamous Durrie Parks acetates.  Who knows what she's got?  I would imagine that Al Jardine has some stuff, as well, considering he was the guy that said that the Do You Like Worms as featured on the box set wasn't Do You Like Worms at all.  I can only imagine what Brian might (or might not) have hidden away somewhere.  I am not really up on the various collectors, except I've heard the name 'Desmond Jones' mentioned a few times.  Is this the guy that has the instrumental Surf's Up (section 2), which has been rumored to exist?  I guess we can't really know what's out there without hearing what's out there.

[Reggie Dunbar]

That's kind of like the proverbial "Chicken or the Egg" question. No doubt all of those listed
might exist, but I'm always wondering about those empty boxes, and where the contents
are now. Capitol vaults Carl's kids Flea Market Dumpster We may never know.

[Black Tiger]

Desmond Jones, I believe, is the supposed owner of the toothbrushing tapes who got busted.

I would think Durrie Parks has long since given to BRI whatever acetates she might have had. She was in the BD doc. so she's not out of "theloop."

[wgolly]

  I would imagine that Al Jardine has some stuff, as well, considering he was the guy that said that the Do You Like Worms as featured on the box set wasn't Do You Like Worms at all. 

really?  I would like to know more about this....

[Mahalo]

I've always loved DYLW?, but HATE the muddy version put out in various ways, shapes, and forms. I would love to here a CLEAN 1967 version of this song.

[XY]

perhaps Frank Holmes? After all, he remembered unused original lyrics for "Cabin Essence" & "Do You Like Worms" in the 90's, most of them didn't make the cut on BWPS.

[The Shift]

I'd think anyone who hung out with Brian in later 66 while the Boys were touring might have acetates... I'm thinking Danny Hutton,  Vosse,  Anderle... even Siegal ('scuse any spelling errors there please).   Brian was doing plenty of experimental sound stuff with them and who knows what they took home in their party bags. That said, most might have by now handed them over to BRI or BriMel or whatever. Well, it'd be nice to think so...

[shelter]

Desmond Jones, I believe, is the supposed owner of the toothbrushing tapes who got busted.

Desmond Jones, wasn't he that guy with barrow in the market place who was married to Molly, the singer in a band?

[James Hughes-Clarke]

Desmond Jones, I believe, is the supposed owner of the toothbrushing tapes who got busted.

Desmond Jones, wasn't he that guy with barrow in the market place who was married to Molly, the singer in a band?

Very true.  So we can add to our list anyone who frequented Desmond's market stall (which I believe was in the Camden area) around 1967/68.

[1-1-wonderful]

I'd think anyone who hung out with Brian in later 66 while the Boys were touring might have acetates... I'm thinking Danny Hutton,  Vosse,  Anderle... even Siegal ('scuse any spelling errors there please).   Brian was doing plenty of experimental sound stuff with them and who knows what they took home in their party bags. That said, most might have by now handed them over to BRI or BriMel or whatever. Well, it'd be nice to think so...

Thomas Pynchon, maybe.  Has anybody observed him lately?

[XY]

The Shawn Love tapes - Mike singing "You Are My Sunshine" over "H&V Barnyard" and all that stuff.

[Mark H.]

If Brian gave someone a tape or acetate back in the day, why on earth would they give it to BRI or BriMel?  They might provide a quality copy or maybe not.  I don't know the legal ramifications, but I really don't see any obligation to return it.  My guess is that at this point Brian is "done" with Smile and has no big reason to return to it for any little snippits.  The Beach Boys might experience some benefit if a box set is ever contemplated (which as time goes on I think has less and less commercial viability).  It's only the collector who really care at this point.

edit (I'm a collector nut too...)

[The Shift]

I'd think that if  Lucky Old Sun & the live gigs later this year garner the rave reviews that Midnight's Another Day already seems to warrent, then the commercial viability of a SMiLE box set would soar on the back of that positive publicity.

Maybe Brian's people need to be preparing for that right now...   call in those acetates (or copies) folks!






(please, please, please!!!)

[Sheriff John Stone]

I don't know who did what, and when they did or didn't do it, so my opinion is open for criticism. But...

Brian Wilson is arguably one of the most important composers of the 20th Century, and SMiLE is arguably his greatest work, so, just for historical purposes, I'm surprised more hasn't been done to collect everything - EVERYTHING - that has to do with SMiLE, and archive it someplace, by someboby, comissioned or non-commissioned. I think it's that important.

[Mahalo]

I think it's that important.

Me too. Unfortunatley, about 7 decades from now somebody who feels the way we do might actually do something about it....but maybe by then it will be too late....

[Surfer Joe]

There's Barnyard without the vocal "sound effects."

Really- is that not out there?  Is it not on the 3 disc vinyl set? 

I remember when that snippet was found (1990? '91?), and my memory- which may have been a misunderstanding or misinformation at the time- is that the clip, as it turned up, had no effects on it, but matched another snippet- the animal noises- in terms of length and tracks used- (e.g., one had music on tracks one and three, and the other had effects on two, something like that, same length, and they seemed to correspond).  When the two clips were combined, it resulted in the identification of it as "Barnyard", which was later dramatically confirmed by the demo.

That's my recollection of that; if anybody has better information, please correct me!

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Domenic has the complete, edited master of the whole album.

In the correct, undeniably godlike running order.  (And he should know, he sequenced it.)

 

In the late 80's, early 90's (I can't remember) I was at the Belly Up Tavern in Solana Beach,CA  for a "Special Evening with Domenic Priore &  'Smile'.  It was billed as a sneak peak/look at the amazing lost album.  Priore played snipets of songs I have heard on numerous boots. Some were bad quality. Nothing new.  He played the Brian demo version of 'Surf's Up' for example.

So I say Hogwash that he has the 'edited master of the whole album'.

Frankly, things like a 'Barnyard' backing track without the sound effects does not excited me. What would?  A Beach Boys version of 'Barnyard' with a completed lead vocal.  Does it exist?  I wonder.

I fear we have all already heard all there is to hear  except for session takes.  And hearing 9 takes for the backing track of 'Vegatables' doesn't excited me much either.

[onkster]

Hogwash?  Of course.  I was merely being sarcastic!

My feeling is that Domenic reached a point long ago where he felt overconfident in his assessment of what SMiLE was and wasn't, and berated any thoughts independent of that.

He's been proven wrong so many times on so many things, you'd think he'd be humbled again.  But 'parently not.

I miss the days of LLVS when he was just wide-eyed and happy about the music--and not a bitter old fanboy.

[Black Tiger]

Domenic doesn't have the edited master, but I hear he does have an acetate of Heroes & Villains Parts 1&2.