Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again

[Dave Modny]

The guy's definitely legit. For starters, he's posted on other lists -- both private and public -- throughout the years (I remember him mostly for his impressive live video and audio collection). Recently, IIRC, he even asked elsewhere about the contents of a specific BBs Special Markets CD.

He's also definitely the person who won the auction in question, as one click on the seller's recent feedback will verify.



Thus, I too am hoping that he shares the fruits of his good fortune. He truly sounded like he wanted to.

[Shady]

I'm saying s little prayer for  beachboys_fr.

I imagine he's tied up in a basement somewhere while Mark and Alan ransack his house for the CD

[Andrew G. Doe]

Not saying the guy isn't legit - the track description is very very accurate - just pondering aloud that asking on a public forum might not be the best way to go about authenticating it without putting up a goodly number of flags. Not to mention dropping whoever sold the CD (they're watermarked) in mucho merde.

[?]

I'm mostly surprised BRI let the auction go through without stopping it.  They've always been so quick to pull anything that they consider infringement.  I speak from my own bitter experience - they've blocked a few of my Smile auctions.  Bastards. 

[phirnis]

Do we know why this song was vetoed off TWOTS in the first place while Fallin' in Love was included on SLS?

[Mike's Beard]

Why is everyone suddenly talking like it's a done deal that WIBNTLA is going to be on the upcoming box? I'm optimistic that third time's the charm and it will be included (after falling through the cracks twice before) but as of yet there has been bugger all offical confirmation of it's status either way.

[Amazing Larry]

Do we know why this song was vetoed off TWOTS in the first place while Fallin' in Love was included on SLS?

Isn't that acronym a little... suggestive.

[Cabinessenceking]

Maybe if we think and wish and hope and pray for beachboys_fr showing up and yielding us this song...

beachboys_fr: "yo board I have this legendary song which you've been moaning about since EH came out over a decade ago. What should I do?"

board: "ehm, post it?"

beachboys_fr: "yo board, i'm not so sure. should I really?"

board: "ehm, you did purchase it legit on e-bay, thereby making it your possession and making you free to post it for 'study purposes' or other non-commercial interest"

beachboys_fr has left the conversation


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What I mean with this is that since he has informed the entire board about having the song he might as well post it. If he were really that unsure he could've withheld the info or sent a PM to someone with more knowledge regarding legal matters or other related matters. I just feel it does injustice to all those who were hoping to finally hear the song only to be declined. It's just a song after all...being released 40 years after being penned and recorded. There is little financial gain for anyone anyway and the guy who deserved all that financial gain and recognition has been dead for 30 years.

[Yorick]

I agree he should share the track, it's a disgrace to the Beach Boys legacy how all legal parties have handled Dennis Wilson's Beach Boys era outtakes.

[Jason]

Or since he posted very publicly about it, he might have received a cease and desist.

[Mikie]

Lee Dempsey already verified the guy's authenticity as a major collector. Maybe that was one of the posts lost in the server swap, I haven't looked back.

Even though I don't see Lee's post, if he says the guy's legit, I believe him. The thing I wonder, if he's a 'major collector' with lots of records and CD's and an extensive video collection, how could he not know about "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again"? I think he said he investigated the song when he saw the contents of the CD on Ebay and was wondering about it. Then he tried to legitimize it here after he won the auction and was asking more questions about it? As a Beach Boys fan by itself, if you've read this board (or searched it) the past few years, you would know right away what the song is. And the Cabinessence board too. And the French guy didn't know about the song when he bid on it in the auction? The song was covered by the Marsland Band and it was also played for fans at a Beach Boys convention in '07. How could this guy buy a CD for 400 bucks and not know what WIBNTLA is?

[Cabinessenceking]

Lee Dempsey already verified the guy's authenticity as a major collector. Maybe that was one of the posts lost in the server swap, I haven't looked back.

Even though I don't see Lee's post, if he says the guy's legit, I believe him. The thing I wonder, if he's a 'major collector' with lots of records and CD's and an extensive video collection, how could he not know about "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again"? I think he said he investigated the song when he saw the contents of the CD on Ebay and was wondering about it. Then he tried to legitimize it here after he won the auction and was asking more questions about it? As a Beach Boys fan by itself, if you've read this board (or searched it) the past few years, you would know right away what the song is. And the Cabinessence board too. And the French guy didn't know about the song when he bid on it in the auction? The song was covered by the Marsland Band and it was also played for fans at a Beach Boys convention in '07. How could this guy buy a CD for 400 bucks and not know what WIBNTLA is?

yup there is something fishy in that story. Why would one pay that much for tracks already available. And it is afterall not a rare find from the 60's or 70's but a very modern, uncool CD which was used as an early version of TWOTS, a follow-up to the successful SOS comp but with a rediculous cover and undistinguished  title failed to capture many buyers (I really wonder why they called it TWOTS and gave it that terrible cover rather than bind it closer to SOS - SURFBOARDS VERBOTEN, look at what happened to the dreadful 50BO comp).

His silence, the ambiguity in his comments and the bizarre act of describing the track in words (which I believe has been done before) rather than just giving us the track (or at least a snippet of it if he was so uncertain) makes me doubt we have the track. At least I will not believe it until it is readily available to all.

Really don't want it all to be troll, but it sure smells of it.

[bryand]

Hi there,
Long time lurker but I feel the need to post. I am the ebayer that he refers to in his post that alerted him to the track after he outbid me and won the item. My max bid was $317 and I knew exactly what track was on there which was why I was bidding so high. I assumed he knew about the track so I emailed him to ask how it was at which point he told me that he did not realize that WIBNTLA was on there. 
No, he has not shared it with me (not even a sample) and I can't say that I blame him at this point.

Interestingly enough, the seller would not send a sample either as I was concerned that this disc may have been erroneously labeled (not the sellers doing just perhaps she got it and didn't realize what was on there). Like a fool, I still bid $317!

I am not too broken up about it. I am not $317 poorer and I am sure that it will be released sometime soon.

Going back to lurking and judging now. 

[Mikie]

I really wonder why they called it TWOTS and gave it that terrible cover rather than bind it closer to SOS.

I love the name TWOTS! It kinda has a ring to it.....

[LeeDempsey]

Since my last post was deleted in the server swap, I'll repeat it here.  Beachboys_fr is a prominent BB CD collector.  He and I have had a number of conversations over the years about promo CDs.

The CD in question is NOT your basic advance promo that is sent to media reviewers and radio; this was an in-house reference disc circulated inside the Tower to vet the project and to prepare the marketing plan.  The seller was named "Cheryl," and there was a Cheryl (Pawelski) that was formerly a marketing exec at EMI.  Looking at the seller's other auctions, they are all promos and industry comps.  That all makes sense.

Now on the other hand, given that the final sales price was almost $400, and the first bidder (of 5 bidders) had an opening bid of $200, I think all of the bidders knew that something special was potentially on the disc.

As to calling the new owner names because he won't share with the masses, that's uncalled for.  Think of it this way -- I love fine wines.  If I bought a bottle of 2000 Chateau Lafite Rothschild, I might take it to a nice restaurant to share with a few family members or close friends, but if you were a stranger sitting across the room I probably wouldn't pour you a glass.  The owner is well within his rights to share, or not share, as he pleases.

Lee

[Mikie]

Hi there,
Long time lurker but I feel the need to post. I am the ebayer that he refers to in his post that alerted him to the track after he outbid me and won the item. My max bid was $317 and I knew exactly what track was on there which was why I was bidding so high. I assumed he knew about the track so I emailed him to ask how it was at which point he told me that he did not realize that WIBNTLA was on there. 
No, he has not shared it with me (not even a sample) and I can't say that I blame him at this point.

Interestingly enough, the seller would not send a sample either as I was concerned that this disc may have been erroneously labeled (not the sellers doing just perhaps she got it and didn't realize what was on there). Like a fool, I still bid $317!

I am not too broken up about it. I am not $317 poorer and I am sure that it will be released sometime soon.

Going back to lurking and judging now. 

You should post here more often, Gene.  Anybody willing to part with 317 bucks for a Beach Boys CD must be a damn serious collector and is OK in my book!  

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Not saying the guy isn't legit - the track description is very very accurate - just pondering aloud that asking on a public forum might not be the best way to go about authenticating it without putting up a goodly number of flags. Not to mention dropping whoever sold the CD (they're watermarked) in mucho merde.

I'd be very surprised if it wasn't issued a cease and desist orderm like TRRBB said.   Somebody's going to be in hot water.

[rab2591]

As to calling the new owner names because he won't share with the masses, that's uncalled for.  Think if it this way -- I love fine wines.  If I bought a bottle of 2000 Chateau Lafite Rothschild, I might take it to a nice restaurant to share with a few family members or close friends, but if you were a stranger sitting across the room I probably wouldn't pour you a glass.  The owner is well within his rights to share, or not share, as he pleases.

Lee

Exactly.

Honestly, I think it was extremely generous of him to be open about sharing it. He said previously that he was merely concerned about the legality of it, and that he didn't want to keep the track for himself since it seemed to special to a lot of people.

[Micha]

If I was the French poster and read these last two pages of discussion about my behavior, presonally I wouldn't post here again.

[Mikie]

Cheryl Pawelski. I've seen her name in the Beach Boys credits on releases over the years, especially as Executive Producer of the two-fers.

CHERYL PAWELSKI
 
Three-time Grammy-nominated producer, Cheryl Pawelski has, for the past twenty years, been entrusted with preserving, curating and championing some of music’s greatest legacies. Before Omnivore she held posts as VP of A&R at Rhino Entertainment and VP of Catalog Development at Concord Music Group. Prior to those gigs, she spent twelve years at EMI/Capitol Records and consulted to many other labels and iTunes as well. She has produced or overseen hundreds of recordings, reissues and boxed sets for a diverse array of artists including: Aretha Franklin, The Beach Boys, The Band, Big Star, Miles Davis, Rod Stewart, Otis Redding, Bette Midler, Willie Nelson, Warren Zevon, Chicago, The Staple Singers, Stephen Stills, Richard Thompson, John Coltrane and many more. Her soundtrack work has included Fiddler On The Roof, Raging Bull, Woodstock, Juno, Up In The Air, and Shutter Island. She is currently serving on the Board of Governors for the Los Angeles Chapter of The Recording Academy. Her vast archival record and memorabilia collection yielded an exhibit at Experience Music Project in Seattle, WA, Spaced Out! The Final Frontier In Album Covers. It opened August, 2009 and also traveled to The Museum at Bethel Woods in 2011. The exhibit featured 117 space-themed albums released between the 1940s and 1969. She is proud that when she was fresh out of school, she decided to leave her first “serious” job to work at a record store.
  
Surprised she's selling stuff on Ebay.........was she involved with the Warmth Of The Sun comp CD? She must have known about the rare track on it if the starting bid was 200 bucks!

[LeeDempsey]

To clarify Mikie, the opening bid wasn't $200, but the first bidder's max bid was $200.

How are you buddy?  Will Brison says "hi!"      

Lee

[Al Jardine: Pick Up Artist]

Oy.

I love my favorite band and want to support them, but sometimes I get really sick of their (and Capitol's) old-school policy of keeping everything under super tight wraps and chasing/bullying people who may have leaked or heard interesting things.

[leggo of my ego]

Since my last post was deleted in the server swap, I'll repeat it here.  Beachboys_fr is a prominent BB CD collector.  He and I have had a number of conversations over the years about promo CDs.

The CD in question is NOT your basic advance promo that is sent to media reviewers and radio; this was an in-house reference disc circulated inside the Tower to vet the project and to prepare the marketing plan.  The seller was named "Cheryl," and there was a Cheryl (Pawelski) that was formerly a marketing exec at EMI.  Looking at the seller's other auctions, they are all promos and industry comps.  That all makes sense.

Now on the other hand, given that the final sales price was almost $400, and the first bidder (of 5 bidders) had an opening bid of $200, I think all of the bidders knew that something special was potentially on the disc.

As to calling the new owner names because he won't share with the masses, that's uncalled for.  Think of it this way -- I love fine wines.  If I bought a bottle of 2000 Chateau Lafite Rothschild, I might take it to a nice restaurant to share with a few family members or close friends, but if you were a stranger sitting across the room I probably wouldn't pour you a glass.  The owner is well within his rights to share, or not share, as he pleases.

Lee

Damn straight - finders keepers, losers weepers.  

[Mikie]

To clarify Mikie, the opening bid wasn't $200, but the first bidder's max bid was $200.

How are you buddy?  Will Brison says "hi!"      

Lee

Gotcha.  So that first bidder knew the value because of the track (but at the same time was taking a little chance that it was legit).

Doing fine, Lee.  Please send Will my regards! 

[urbanite]

If anything, this thread has heightened interest in the upcoming box set.  I'll be buying it, but it better have WIBNTLA on it.