Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again

[Micha]

Just to clarify: I'm talking about "4th of July" as the perfect Surf's Up leadoff track...

This is interesting. I use it as the final track in my own Surf's Up based compilation...

In the same perfect world where WIBNTLA was released on Surf's Up, that album wouldn't be called Surf's Up because the title track would've been released in 1967 on a little album called Smile.

Which is why I call my Surf's Up based compilation "Sound Of Free" - no "Surf's Up" on it.

[Amazing Larry]

It was intended as the final track after Til I Die.

 Correct, but we can't bump the title tune out of that spot 40 years down the road. I guess the only real context would be as bonus tracks after the album proper.

I always thought it would have made a great leadoff track to that album, just as Dennis's "Slip on Through" opens Sunflower.

Just to clarify: I'm talking about "4th of July" as the perfect Surf's Up leadoff track...

Always thought "Surf's Up" could just as easily go at the end of side 1.  When this thing finally drops I think my playlist will look something like...

4th of July
Don't Go Near the Water
Disney Girls (1957)
Long Promised Road
Surf's Up
    
Feel Flows
Lady
A Day in the Life of a Tree
'Til I Die
Wouldn't it Be Nice to Live Again

Sweet baby Jesus.
That list is a f*cking masterpiece.

[Ziggy Stardust]

It was intended as the final track after Til I Die.

 Correct, but we can't bump the title tune out of that spot 40 years down the road. I guess the only real context would be as bonus tracks after the album proper.

I always thought it would have made a great leadoff track to that album, just as Dennis's "Slip on Through" opens Sunflower.

Just to clarify: I'm talking about "4th of July" as the perfect Surf's Up leadoff track...

Always thought "Surf's Up" could just as easily go at the end of side 1.  When this thing finally drops I think my playlist will look something like...

4th of July
Don't Go Near the Water
Disney Girls (1957)
Long Promised Road
Surf's Up
    
Feel Flows
Lady
A Day in the Life of a Tree
'Til I Die
Wouldn't it Be Nice to Live Again

Sweet baby Jesus.
That list is a f*cking masterpiece.

But you havn't heard Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again, have you?

[onkster]

That does look like a pretty good list. But, some questions:

-I'm not familiar with Lady--actually intended for SU? Is there a particular version that was?
-So HELP and Sound of Free are not considered part of the early SU list? (For me, SOF doesn't fit the sound of SU, HELP kinda does--I've used it to replace DGNTW as a health/eco song...)

And obviously, I guess Burlesque hasn't been included on many lists because none of us have heard it; not even AGD, correct?

Thanks for your patience in hearing my rambling questions.

[Micha]

That does look like a pretty good list. But, some questions:

-I'm not familiar with Lady--actually intended for SU? Is there a particular version that was?
-So HELP and Sound of Free are not considered part of the early SU list? (For me, SOF doesn't fit the sound of SU, HELP kinda does--I've used it to replace DGNTW as a health/eco song...)

And obviously, I guess Burlesque hasn't been included on many lists because none of us have heard it; not even AGD, correct?

Thanks for your patience in hearing my rambling questions.

"Lady" and "HELP" were on a compilation tape of finished tracks that might have been used for the album after Sunflower, at the time tentatively titled "Landlocked". From that tape only "Take A Load Off Your Feet" and "Lookin' At Tomorrow" made it to the final album (remixed) when it was retitled "Surf's Up". Personally, I love that collection usually referred to as "Landlocked" way more than the Surf's Up album.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

That does look like a pretty good list. But, some questions:

-I'm not familiar with Lady--actually intended for SU? Is there a particular version that was?
-So HELP and Sound of Free are not considered part of the early SU list? (For me, SOF doesn't fit the sound of SU, HELP kinda does--I've used it to replace DGNTW as a health/eco song...)

And obviously, I guess Burlesque hasn't been included on many lists because none of us have heard it; not even AGD, correct?

Thanks for your patience in hearing my rambling questions.

"Lady" and "HELP" were on a compilation tape of finished tracks that might have been used for the album after Sunflower, at the time tentatively titled "Landlocked". From that tape only "Take A Load Off Your Feet" and "Lookin' At Tomorrow" made it to the final album (remixed) when it was retitled "Surf's Up". Personally, I love that collection usually referred to as "Landlocked" way more than the Surf's Up album.

Same here. Really, Lady or Fallin' In Love was recorded during the Sunflower sessions, as were many tracks that didn't make the final cut including most of the Landlocked tracks. HELP was recorded just after the Sunflower sessions ended and just as the Surf's Up sessions were beginning. I always thought that Sound of Free was a Dennis solo track though what was a Dennis solo track and what wasn't may have been a bit ambiguous even at the time.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Also, as far as I know, there was never a proposed Landlocked album and that's only been the name given to that collected bunch of songs in retrospect.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Much is explained here:

1969
1970

[Disney Boy (1985)]

If they leave off WIBNTLA because of jealously and disgruntlage of Dennis, then I don't think I'd want anything to do with the Beach Boys. The guy's been freaking dead for nearly thirty years, and they'd need to get over themselves.

I doubt that'd be the case, though, or else we wouldn't have had "4th of July," "A Time To Live In Dreams," "Barbara," "All Alone," and the second of only two released instances of "San Miguel." Not to mention "I Don't Know" on TSS -- which is primarily a Brian project; certainly if they still held a grudge, they wouldn't have let Dennis's tune infiltrate a Smile compilation.

My guess: they're just saving it, that's all...after all, it WAS planned for a DVD release, but the entire project was scrapped.

As i say, if WIBNTLA surfaces this year i'll admit i was wrong, but i sure wouldn't bet money on it... But, you know, that's not an enormous number of songs you've listed above there - there's still so many more top quality Dennis tracks still languishing in the vaults: I'm Going Your Way, Carry Me Home, Mona Kani, the aformentioned WIBNTLA, etc. And the Smile Sessions I Don't Know argument is odd - including a Dennis demo amongst a 150+ track boxset does not disprove my theory.

But your 'the guy's been dead for 30 freakin' years, get over yourselves' comment? Nicely put.

This song's's extraordinary high quality stands out from the rest of Dennis's unreleased material left in the vault, and, while they could have snuck it in as a bonus track on the SU reissue, there might be some reluctance to let it be the most conspicuous, noteworthy inclusion in the kind of high-profile commemorative release that this year will hopefully see. That would be awful indeed. It would be a perfect capper to all the events of the last year, and hopefully the prospect of increased sales will overcome any pride or ego issues that could be involved. The circumstances were different around the inclusion of the other unreleased DW tracks on EH and Hawthorne, CA. The excitement that would be generated by this song's release (+ the '74 California Feeling demo and the "I've Got A Friend" track) would be huge, and if anyone in power is reading this, please do the right thing!

Very, very well up. But again you're highlighting what i was saying: that even though it seems breathtakingly pathetic to not want to include a quality piece of music by a fellow band member out of sheer petty jealousy, that sadly seems highly likely to still be the mindset of some (all?) of the surviving BB's. You know, Dennis has spent the last three decades being dead - isn't that punishment enough, Mike, without refusing to release one of his finest moments?

(Oops, i said Mike - but hey, lets face it, when we refer to 'some of the band' basically what we all mean is 'Mike'. It's Mike isn't it. Maybe Bruce too, but mainly Mike. If WIBNTLA is pulled from any upcoming release i think we can all safely assume that Mike was involved). 

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Erm, I always thought that they were holding some gems in the vault precisely for some kind of possible future compilation.

[pixletwin]

Erm, I always thought that they were holding some gems in the vault precisely for some kind of possible future compilation.

Ditto that. I hope that's the case and I hope it sees release this year.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Erm, I always thought that they were holding some gems in the vault precisely for some kind of possible future compilation.

"(WIBNT)LA" was slated for at least one recent(-ish) compilation but was vetoed by a voting BRI member.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Erm, I always thought that they were holding some gems in the vault precisely for some kind of possible future compilation.

"(WIBNT)LA" was slated for at least one recent(-ish) compilation but was vetoed by a voting BRI member.

Hmm. You learn something completely crazy everyday.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Quite interesting to note is that the team who brought us the "Smile Sessions", Alan Boyd and Mark Linett (who usually engineers Brain's recordings but didn't "TWGMTR") are VERY. VERY quiet in all the new album/tour hub bub.

One might wonder WHAT they are working on?

Humm, new career spanning box set coming supposedly containing unreleased material?

As AGD is unusually quiet these days and keeps a secret better than anyone,...................

Just sayin.

[Zach95]

Erm, I always thought that they were holding some gems in the vault precisely for some kind of possible future compilation.

"(WIBNT)LA" was slated for at least one recent(-ish) compilation but was vetoed by a voting BRI member.

So, I'm assuming we're talking Warmth of the Sun. Does one veto scrap the whole thing?

[Ron]

I think there's obviously going to be a kick ass boxset, just for the reason that they need to replace the 25th anniversary set anyways.  So perhaps it will pop up on there.  If Carl's wife stops vetoing it, that is!

[SBonilla]

OK, factor in Stan Shapiro (as the song's co-writer and co-publisher) and the DW bio pic along with a possible Beach Boys release of the original recording and the commercial possibilites become very interesting.

[Disney Boy (1985)]

Erm, I always thought that they were holding some gems in the vault precisely for some kind of possible future compilation.

"(WIBNT)LA" was slated for at least one recent(-ish) compilation but was vetoed by a voting BRI member.

In other words, Mike.

[pixletwin]

Erm, I always thought that they were holding some gems in the vault precisely for some kind of possible future compilation.

"(WIBNT)LA" was slated for at least one recent(-ish) compilation but was vetoed by a voting BRI member.

The veto could have been brought out because whomever-it-was thought it would be better served for the prospective 50th anniversary.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Erm, I always thought that they were holding some gems in the vault precisely for some kind of possible future compilation.

"(WIBNT)LA" was slated for at least one recent(-ish) compilation but was vetoed by a voting BRI member.

In other words, Mike.

pixletwin- maybe that's the case.

[PongHit]

I'm assuming we're talking Warmth of the Sun.

Nope.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I'm assuming we're talking Warmth of the Sun.

Nope.

Congrats - you are precisely 100% wrong in saying that.

[Jim V.]

Erm, I always thought that they were holding some gems in the vault precisely for some kind of possible future compilation.

"(WIBNT)LA" was slated for at least one recent(-ish) compilation but was vetoed by a voting BRI member.

In other words, Mike.

pixletwin- maybe that's the case.

I'm assured in knowing that the decision to veto it was either made by Brian, Al, or Carl's estate.

 

[PongHit]

Congrats - you are precisely 100% wrong in saying that.

Yeah, congrats, Zach! 

[Zach95]

I'm assuming we're talking Warmth of the Sun.

Nope.

Congrats - you are precisely 100% wrong in saying that.

Jeez, a guy can't be wrong around here. You guys are vicious.