Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again

[Andrew G. Doe]

The Endless Harmony Sountrack and the Hawthorne C.A compilations gave us a bunch of Dennis rarities and as mentioned the Summer Love Songs compilation had  Fallin' In Love on it so I hope this means we will see WIBNTLA at some point. I also have Adam's version and it's quite wondeful, good job sir!

I'd also really like to hear Carry Me Home properly released but I don't know if there is proper finished version?

I'd say it's pretty finished.

[Paulos]

The Endless Harmony Sountrack and the Hawthorne C.A compilations gave us a bunch of Dennis rarities and as mentioned the Summer Love Songs compilation had  Fallin' In Love on it so I hope this means we will see WIBNTLA at some point. I also have Adam's version and it's quite wondeful, good job sir!

I'd also really like to hear Carry Me Home properly released but I don't know if there is proper finished version?

I'd say it's pretty finished.

Ohhh that makes it even more tantalizing, if I get to hear the finished versions of WIBNTLA and Carry me Home one day i'll die happy

[Matt H]

maybe these songs will be on beachboyscentral.com soon.

[Fall Breaks]

Back to topic:

If the Adam Marsland band version is as close to the official BB recording as we'll get, then I can't believe it still hasn't seen the light of day. Especially when you consider how many stuff from the BB vaults has been issued in the past 20 or so years.
As Andrew said, perhaps the best unreleased song the Beach Boys have to offer... and he definitely knows what he's talking about!

It's especially unfortunate that it was left off of "Surf's Up" because, as it turned out, Dennis was rendered completely absent from that album. If only we had "WIBNTLA" in addition to "4th of July", we could all compile our own little CD-Rs of the Surf's Up album containing Dennis' contributions.

Wasn't left off - it was pulled, along with the (then-unfinished) "4th of July" after Carl & Dennis had a spat about the sequencing of side 2.

"4th of July" was finished after it was pulled? Your site has it listed as being recorded on March 15, April 3, June 20 and sometime in July. When was it pulled and what was done on it by who after that?

[Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll]

I' d forgotten  about "carry me home" - surely a song that deserves a proper release by now

[Andrew G. Doe]

Back to topic:

If the Adam Marsland band version is as close to the official BB recording as we'll get, then I can't believe it still hasn't seen the light of day. Especially when you consider how many stuff from the BB vaults has been issued in the past 20 or so years.
As Andrew said, perhaps the best unreleased song the Beach Boys have to offer... and he definitely knows what he's talking about!

It's especially unfortunate that it was left off of "Surf's Up" because, as it turned out, Dennis was rendered completely absent from that album. If only we had "WIBNTLA" in addition to "4th of July", we could all compile our own little CD-Rs of the Surf's Up album containing Dennis' contributions.

Wasn't left off - it was pulled, along with the (then-unfinished) "4th of July" after Carl & Dennis had a spat about the sequencing of side 2.

"4th of July" was finished after it was pulled? Your site has it listed as being recorded on March 15, April 3, June 20 and sometime in July. When was it pulled and what was done on it by who after that?

I phrased that badly - the version we know now is a 1992/3 construct from (if I recall correctly) the track master, a scratch vocal from Carl and a safety copy of the tag. There may be a finished master, but if so it remains undiscovered. Certainly, from evidence in Tom Nolan's 1971 Rolling Stone the lyric was unwritten until at least June 20.

[Paulos]

Back to topic:

If the Adam Marsland band version is as close to the official BB recording as we'll get, then I can't believe it still hasn't seen the light of day. Especially when you consider how many stuff from the BB vaults has been issued in the past 20 or so years.
As Andrew said, perhaps the best unreleased song the Beach Boys have to offer... and he definitely knows what he's talking about!

It's especially unfortunate that it was left off of "Surf's Up" because, as it turned out, Dennis was rendered completely absent from that album. If only we had "WIBNTLA" in addition to "4th of July", we could all compile our own little CD-Rs of the Surf's Up album containing Dennis' contributions.

Wasn't left off - it was pulled, along with the (then-unfinished) "4th of July" after Carl & Dennis had a spat about the sequencing of side 2.

"4th of July" was finished after it was pulled? Your site has it listed as being recorded on March 15, April 3, June 20 and sometime in July. When was it pulled and what was done on it by who after that?

I phrased that badly - the version we know now is a 1992/3 construct from (if I recall correctly) the track master, a scratch vocal from Carl and a safety copy of the tag. There may be a finished master, but if so it remains undiscovered. Certainly, from evidence in Tom Nolan's 1971 Rolling Stone the lyric was unwritten until at least June 20.

Carls vocal on 4th Of July is only a guide vocal? It's one of my fave Carl performances, god that guys voice was wonderful.

[Zach95]

Resurrecting this thread, any word from anyone who would know as to if we'll reasonably see WIBNTLA this year with the new box set or other material? I just don't want to get my hopes up, only to be crushed.

[coco1997]

Resurrecting this thread, any word from anyone who would know as to if we'll reasonably see WIBNTLA this year with the new box set or other material? I just don't want to get my hopes up, only to be crushed.

I'd say there's probably a fairly good chance of it appearing on the box set.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Resurrecting this thread, any word from anyone who would know as to if we'll reasonably see WIBNTLA this year with the new box set or other material? I just don't want to get my hopes up, only to be crushed.

I'd say that if we don't see it this year, we never will.

[Zach95]

Resurrecting this thread, any word from anyone who would know as to if we'll reasonably see WIBNTLA this year with the new box set or other material? I just don't want to get my hopes up, only to be crushed.

I'd say that if we don't see it this year, we never will.

That's just...unbelievably depressing. I really hope we see it...someone make it happen!

[onkster]

OK, I have a related question, on the aborted "Surf's Up" DVD-A version...was "Burlesque" going to be included?

And were there any other tracks slated for it besides "4th" and "WIBNTLA"?

[Andrew G. Doe]

No, and as far as I'm aware, no again.

[The Shift]

Resurrecting this thread, any word from anyone who would know as to if we'll reasonably see WIBNTLA this year with the new box set or other material? I just don't want to get my hopes up, only to be crushed.

I'd say that if we don't see it this year, we never will.

Sheesh, I bet you were saying that in '67 about Worms! 

[Moon Dawg]

 I'd love to have this song released in any context, but my preferred option would be a SURF'S UP reissue w/ "WIBNTLA", "4th of July" and maybe "Lady" as bonus tracks. The Dennis stuff would only enhance the critical standing of an album that is already considered a classic.

 My custom SURF'S UP often programs "4th of July" in between "Disney Girls" and "Student Demonstration Time", but sometimes it slots between "Lookin' At Tomorrow" and "A Day in the Life of a Tree." Obviously I have no idea where "Wouldn't It Be Nice to Live Again" would best fit.

[pixletwin]

It was intended as the final track after Til I Die.

[joe_blow]

The Endless Harmony Soundtrack and the Hawthorne C.A compilations gave us a bunch of Dennis rarities and as mentioned the Summer Love Songs compilation had  Fallin' In Love on it so I hope this means we will see WIBNTLA at some point. I also have Adam's version and it's quite wondeful, good job sir!

I'd also really like to hear Carry Me Home properly released but I don't know if there is proper finished version?

Good point about the EH and Hathorne compilations. I am surprised how Dennis was able to get both Barbara and All Alone on one disc! If the same type of voting came down on another release such as these, I would hope WIBNTLA would have a good shot and getting released.

When talking about finnacial matters, on a CD that sold similar to that of either of these aforementioned releases, what type of dollar figure would we be talking in terms of royalties/payments sent to the writer for having their song(s) included? In other words, what would it be worth to one member in terms of payments for having or not having one song on a release of say 20 songs (selling for eaxample however many copies EH or Hawtorne may have sold)?

[Cabinessenceking]

Unrelated, but if Dennis wanted WIBNTLA to be the final track of an album, why not CATP?

I think that and '4th' would have been good inclusions to that album. Does anyone here know why that was not considered? (or if it was, why it was rejected?)

[Moon Dawg]

It was intended as the final track after Til I Die.

 Correct, but we can't bump the title tune out of that spot 40 years down the road. I guess the only real context would be as bonus tracks after the album proper.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Unrelated, but if Dennis wanted WIBNTLA to be the final track of an album, why not CATP?

I would imagine that it's because by that time Dennis had written new songs that he wanted to record and put on a Beach Boys album. I haven't heard WIBNTLA but I am more of a 4th of July guy than I am a Cuddle Up or Make It Good guy. Nevertheless artists often like to focus on their new stuff. As Neil Young (who I am talking about a lot today) once said, "It's better to plant than to eat."

[AndrewHickey]

Good point about the EH and Hathorne compilations. I am surprised how Dennis was able to get both Barbara and All Alone on one disc! If the same type of voting came down on another release such as these, I would hope WIBNTLA would have a good shot and getting released.

When talking about finnacial matters, on a CD that sold similar to that of either of these aforementioned releases, what type of dollar figure would we be talking in terms of royalties/payments sent to the writer for having their song(s) included? In other words, what would it be worth to one member in terms of payments for having or not having one song on a release of say 20 songs (selling for eaxample however many copies EH or Hawtorne may have sold)?

The mechanical royalty rate in the US is 9.1 cents per song per album, though it's possible if the composer and performer are the same person that their contract may stipulate a lower rate. That 9.1 cents would be split between all writers and publishers -- so if it was a song published by an outside publishing company that took 50% (I have no idea what the details of the various band members' contracts have stated at various times, but that's not unreasonable), and there was then a 50/50 split bwteen a composer and lyricist (because surprisingly few Beach Boys songs have a single writer), you're looking at two to three cents per CD sale for a song.

I don't know how much the EH or Hawthorne compilations sold, and Google isn't helping, but it wasn't a huge amount. They didn't chart in the US, and didn't make the top 40 in the UK, so let's say for argument's sake they sold 30,000 copies total to date (about half the first-week sales for the new album -- that doesn't sound totally unreasonable). That would mean that having an extra song on the album would make between $6825 (for a song with a single co-writer where the publishing company takes a 50% cut) and $27300 (for a solo song published by a company owned by the writer).

So taking into account that that's very much a finger-in-the-air estimate with a big fudge factor, you're talking about high four-figure or low five-figure sums for a song on a rarities compilation.

[over and over]

maybe these songs will be on beachboyscentral.com soon.

There's a lot I'd hope they put on that site. "In The Back Of My Mind"(Brian's 1975 piano demo) and the instrumental version of "Little Bird" being my top picks, but WIBNTLA seems like the universal pick for a site like that. Anyone know when its going to be up?

[Jeff]

Resurrecting this thread, any word from anyone who would know as to if we'll reasonably see WIBNTLA this year with the new box set or other material? I just don't want to get my hopes up, only to be crushed.

I'd say that if we don't see it this year, we never will.

That's just...unbelievably depressing. I really hope we see it...someone make it happen!

Seems to me that's good news.  If true, it means it probably will be released this year.  In fact, I would hope that all of the unreleased songs that a reasonable fan (a term that excludes most of the posters on this board) would want to hear will also be released this year.  It's time to have the complete catalog.

[Jim V.]

Resurrecting this thread, any word from anyone who would know as to if we'll reasonably see WIBNTLA this year with the new box set or other material? I just don't want to get my hopes up, only to be crushed.

I'd say that if we don't see it this year, we never will.

Ruh roh! I think the box set is our last chance for any rarities and unreleased stuff. So, Alan Boyd (or whoever is in charge) please get us some good/interesting stuff! Preferably "(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again", "Where Is She", "California Feelin'" '74, "In the Back of My Mind" '75, "Barnyard Blues", etc!

No, and as far as I'm aware, no again.

Andrew, are you aware of when "Burlesque" was recorded? Or who sang lead, if it was ever finished? Judging by Jack Rieley comments it sounds like the Surf's Up era, but your page says 1972.

And also, I'm highly doubtful that even if "Burlesque" is finished and available in the vaults, that they'll release it. Apparently there were lyrics that Dr. Love felt objectionable to The Beach Boys family values (you know, despite the fact that he smacked his first wife around), and I doubt that would change for upcoming releases. If seemingly more open-minded 1971 or 1972 Mike Love wasn't in favor of it, I can't see him being in favor of it in 2012.

There's a lot I'd hope they put on that site. "In The Back Of My Mind"(Brian's 1975 piano demo) and the instrumental version of "Little Bird" being my top picks, but WIBNTLA seems like the universal pick for a site like that. Anyone know when its going to be up?

I'm going to guess never. The teaser page has been up since 2006 and since then, there's never been much said that would give us any reason to think it's coming any time soon.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Ruh roh! I think the box set is our last chance for any rarities and unreleased stuff. So, Alan Boyd (or whoever is in charge) please get us some good/interesting stuff! Preferably "(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again", "Where Is She", "California Feelin'" '74, "In the Back of My Mind" '75, "Barnyard Blues", etc!

More more! Walkin'! Carry Me Home! My Solution! We Got Love! Isn't there still unreleased Landlocked/Adult Child stuff? All of that!

Oh, and Surf's Up section 2. You know it's still out there! 

Remember that list posted a few months ago of the secret Alan Boyd stash? Let's thumb through that again.