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« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2018, 04:42:05 PM »

I saw Al playing bass with the BBs on at least one number in Dec. 1984.

Yeah, I saw him play bass on "Fun Fun Fun" that August (maybe "Babara Ann" too...I know he played the bass on that one at the July 5th '81 Long Island show...)
I've seen Al play piano, twice - both times on "Be True To Your School" (in '82 and '84), and electronic drums on that same song (meaning, "Be True To Your School"...not "That Same Song") in '86. Talented guy - especially when it comes to that song! Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2018, 10:22:57 PM »

He played electronic drums live? That’s pretty cool
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« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2018, 01:28:19 AM »

I saw Al playing bass with the BBs on at least one number in Dec. 1984.

Yeah, I saw him play bass on "Fun Fun Fun" that August (maybe "Babara Ann" too...I know he played the bass on that one at the July 5th '81 Long Island show...)


Wow, I never noticed that and I've seen this show a couple of times. Seems like Ernie Knapp is playing Al's guitar and Bruce is too occupied hugging Dean Torrence and Adrian Baker.
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« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2018, 09:20:08 AM »

While I'm probably a bigger champion than most anyone of the idea of Al as a stronger musician than people tend to think, it's worth noting that a lot of his latter-day brief bits playing bass (or doing percussion, etc.) on a song or two here and there was really just more of a novelty and/or out of necessity because whomever was normally playing bass had moved to some other instrument for a song (and/or Al just messing around and switching to bass for a song).

You'll notice that Ed Carter would switch over to lead guitar for "Barbara Ann" and "Help Me Rhonda" in the 80s and Brian or Mike Meros would move to Bruce's keyboard while Bruce moved over onto bass.

In later years, Ed Carter would switch to lead guitar for "Summer In Paradise" and Billy Hinsche would switch to bass.

I think Al was just filling a similar role when he did the same.

Weirdest on-stage Al bit: It might just be Al singing *without* an instrument for "Buzz Buzz Buzz" in 1984. Much like Carl with "What You Do To Me" in 1983, these guys both don't do well without a guitar strapped on. It's just weird. Same goes for Brian when did the same.
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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2018, 09:23:33 AM »

I did not know that Al played bass too, and I'm impressed.
"Only four strings"? Of course it may have been easy for you, Al, but it's not so easy really. Just check a YouTube tutorial about good bass playing...
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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2018, 09:44:26 AM »

I also think most of the BBs had their musicianship skills atrophy to varying degrees over the years, especially once they were rarely recording and the live setlist became pretty stale.

They were all full-time, working musicians back in 1963/64, etc., so I think they were all just more easily adaptable to things like playing bass, or doing leads, or whatever.
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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2018, 12:43:56 PM »

Is that Long Island concert on YouTube? I'm interested in seeing it.

While I'm probably a bigger champion than most anyone of the idea of Al as a stronger musician than people tend to think, it's worth noting that a lot of his latter-day brief bits playing bass (or doing percussion, etc.) on a song or two here and there was really just more of a novelty and/or out of necessity because whomever was normally playing bass had moved to some other instrument for a song (and/or Al just messing around and switching to bass for a song).

You'll notice that Ed Carter would switch over to lead guitar for "Barbara Ann" and "Help Me Rhonda" in the 80s and Brian or Mike Meros would move to Bruce's keyboard while Bruce moved over onto bass.

In later years, Ed Carter would switch to lead guitar for "Summer In Paradise" and Billy Hinsche would switch to bass.

I think Al was just filling a similar role when he did the same.

Weirdest on-stage Al bit: It might just be Al singing *without* an instrument for "Buzz Buzz Buzz" in 1984. Much like Carl with "What You Do To Me" in 1983, these guys both don't do well without a guitar strapped on. It's just weird. Same goes for Brian when did the same.

Could Billy Hinsche play everything?
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« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2018, 03:32:25 PM »

Cool thread! Thanks, everybody. Wiki lists Brian as bass & Al as rhythm guitar in DWB. But yrplace says Al, in fact, played bass which means Brian played rhythm guitar. Interesting. 3D
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« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2018, 07:28:18 PM »

Cool thread! Thanks, everybody. Wiki lists Brian as bass & Al as rhythm guitar in DWB. But yrplace says Al, in fact, played bass which means Brian played rhythm guitar. Interesting. 3D
Brian played piano on DWB (definitely not rhythm guitar).
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« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2018, 09:26:24 AM »

Cool thread! Thanks, everybody. Wiki lists Brian as bass & Al as rhythm guitar in DWB. But yrplace says Al, in fact, played bass which means Brian played rhythm guitar. Interesting. 3D
Brian played piano on DWB (definitely not rhythm guitar).

Yeah - Carl played the rhythm guitar on the "DWB" basic track. The lead guitar was overdubbed - possibly by David Marks, according to him - even though he was officially out of the band by then (this was discussed on an earlier thread).
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« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2018, 03:27:57 PM »

Cool thread! Thanks, everybody. Wiki lists Brian as bass & Al as rhythm guitar in DWB. But yrplace says Al, in fact, played bass which means Brian played rhythm guitar. Interesting. 3D
Brian played piano on DWB (definitely not rhythm guitar).

Yeah - Carl played the rhythm guitar on the "DWB" basic track. The lead guitar was overdubbed - possibly by David Marks, according to him - even though he was officially out of the band by then (this was discussed on an earlier thread).

How likely is it that David Marks played it? I know we're not entirely sure, and I'm not sure which thread it was (and the search function isn't always helpful).
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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2018, 08:24:01 AM »

Brian played piano on DWB (definitely not rhythm guitar).

Yeah - Carl played the rhythm guitar on the "DWB" basic track. The lead guitar was overdubbed - possibly by David Marks, according to him - even though he was officially out of the band by then (this was discussed on an earlier thread).
Thanks, Mr. Stebbins & Mr. Slowinski. This line-up in DWB is revelation to this fan. It brings new colors to the song, if it makes sense (usually, who plays what is crucial to hear song this or that way imo).
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« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2018, 08:40:52 AM »

Brian played piano on DWB (definitely not rhythm guitar).

Yeah - Carl played the rhythm guitar on the "DWB" basic track. The lead guitar was overdubbed - possibly by David Marks, according to him - even though he was officially out of the band by then (this was discussed on an earlier thread).
Thanks, Mr. Stebbins & Mr. Slowinski. This line-up in DWB is revelation to this fan. It brings new colors to the song, if it makes sense (usually, who plays what is crucial to hear song this or that way imo).

Once Al rejoined the band, the typical studio lineup for basic tracks (not always, but typically) had Brian on piano, Al on bass, Dennis on drums, David on rhythm guitar (until he left), and Carl on lead guitar (until David left).  Once Dave left, Carl began playing rhythm guitar on the basic, and overdubbing the lead guitar. Not 100% of the time, but like I said this was pretty typical.
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« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2018, 08:50:32 PM »

Another interesting thing to note, perhaps, is that for a lot of the tracks upon which Al played bass, he not only had to play bass once, but twice.  Lots of bass doubling.  Great sound.
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« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2018, 06:14:00 AM »

Cool thread! Thanks, everybody. Wiki lists Brian as bass & Al as rhythm guitar in DWB. But yrplace says Al, in fact, played bass which means Brian played rhythm guitar. Interesting. 3D
Brian played piano on DWB (definitely not rhythm guitar).

Yeah - Carl played the rhythm guitar on the "DWB" basic track. The lead guitar was overdubbed - possibly by David Marks, according to him - even though he was officially out of the band by then (this was discussed on an earlier thread).



But what would be the need to have David play the lead on DWB? Was Carl on the road during that time?
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« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2018, 03:29:12 AM »

Cool thread! Thanks, everybody. Wiki lists Brian as bass & Al as rhythm guitar in DWB. But yrplace says Al, in fact, played bass which means Brian played rhythm guitar. Interesting. 3D
Brian played piano on DWB (definitely not rhythm guitar).

Yeah - Carl played the rhythm guitar on the "DWB" basic track. The lead guitar was overdubbed - possibly by David Marks, according to him - even though he was officially out of the band by then (this was discussed on an earlier thread).



But what would be the need to have David play the lead on DWB? Was Carl on the road during that time?

Who knows - not likely that reason, though, as Dave recalls Brian producing the guitar overdub session - meaning, if Carl was on the road with the band, they would have only been a four-piece...so, not likely.
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« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2018, 04:26:32 AM »

Cool thread! Thanks, everybody. Wiki lists Brian as bass & Al as rhythm guitar in DWB. But yrplace says Al, in fact, played bass which means Brian played rhythm guitar. Interesting. 3D
Brian played piano on DWB (definitely not rhythm guitar).

Yeah - Carl played the rhythm guitar on the "DWB" basic track. The lead guitar was overdubbed - possibly by David Marks, according to him - even though he was officially out of the band by then (this was discussed on an earlier thread).



But what would be the need to have David play the lead on DWB? Was Carl on the road during that time?

Who knows - not likely that reason, though, as Dave recalls Brian producing the guitar overdub session - meaning, if Carl was on the road with the band, they would have only been a four-piece...so, not likely.


Hm, interesting. It's not like the solo is complicated and could only be performed by certain players. Maybe it was just a nod to David.
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« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2018, 06:43:44 AM »

Cool thread! Thanks, everybody. Wiki lists Brian as bass & Al as rhythm guitar in DWB. But yrplace says Al, in fact, played bass which means Brian played rhythm guitar. Interesting. 3D
Brian played piano on DWB (definitely not rhythm guitar).

Yeah - Carl played the rhythm guitar on the "DWB" basic track. The lead guitar was overdubbed - possibly by David Marks, according to him - even though he was officially out of the band by then (this was discussed on an earlier thread).




But what would be the need to have David play the lead on DWB? Was Carl on the road during that time?

Who knows - not likely that reason, though, as Dave recalls Brian producing the guitar overdub session - meaning, if Carl was on the road with the band, they would have only been a four-piece...so, not likely.

Yeah but isn't Brian singing his Lead Vocal with someone playing the Guitar Overdub at the same. I know Brian had to have Takes in order to perfect the Lead Vocal and there is evidence of this on the Stereo Session Outtake on MIC. While he's singing differently with that take, the guitar sounds also different. So every time Brian sang another take, the Guitar would had to have been played; like on In The Parkin' Lot. Unless, Brian sang the Lead Vocal and then had Chuck rewind the tape, so David could add the Intro and Solo. Maybe Mark or someone can explain this. Brian was sure creative with Three Tracks.
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