Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - "I'm always blamed! It's horsesh*t!"

[NOLA BB Fan]

The Beau Rivage shows are in conjunction with the "Cruisin' the Coast" event that takes place in Biloxi every year, loads of vintage cars cruising all along the Mississippi Gulf Coast.

[CenturyDeprived]

Regarding Mike being required to book his own shows back after C50, it's worth actually looking at his tour schedule for the remainder of 2012 and into 2013.

From September 30, 2012 through the beginning of February 2013, Mike booked...wait for it.... NINE shows across EIGHT venues.

He dumped the reunion tour in order to play these shows:

September 30 - The Legacy Concert for the Children, The Santaluz Club, San Diego, CA
October 5 - Extraco Events Center, Waco, TX  
October 6 - The Backyard, Austin, TX  
October 12 - Beau Rivage, Biloxi, MS
October 13 - Beau Rivage, Biloxi, MS
December 21 - New Orleans Bowl Friday Night Concert, Champion's Square, New Orleans, LA (Free Show)
December 28 - Pike's Peak Center, Colorado Springs, CO  
December 31 - Mystic Lake Casino, Prior Lake, MN (2 Shows)

Nothing in November 2012, nothing in January 2013. Only FOUR shows in February 2013. Even assuming maybe he booked a few private/corporate gigs we don't know about, and even taking into account at least three canceled gigs (two in South America, plus in the infamous "Nutty Jerry's" gig), I somehow doubt BRI had a requirement that both *forced* Mike to book shows, but then also allowed for such a *light* tour schedule.

This is just my total guess/gut feeling, but it kind of smells like Mike just started booking a hand full of shows to essentially create a plausible reason to say he couldn't do more reunion shows (See? I already have my own shows booked!), and also to start getting his foot back in the door and re-establish his band as the going "Beach Boys" touring concern.

I think this is absolutely a logical explanation for what happened.

In the history of rock music, I'm sure one would never, ever find a case of a brand name being used SO quickly back to back with different configurations, literally a day or two apart, from the highest art of those UK C50 shows with super huge setlists, butted right up against the M&B show that happened right afterwards. It's insanity, with Mike trying to get people to think it's The Beach Boys so, so soon after an actual BBs show. In the words of Vanilla Ice, "it's not the same".

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

This is almost as bad as the fake Fleetwood Mac that tried to tour in the 70s

[CenturyDeprived]

This is almost as bad as the fake Fleetwood Mac that tried to tour in the 70s

It's also literally so incredibly insulting to the other members to play something THAT close in time to the UK C50 final shows. It gives the impression, whether intentional or not, that Mike thinks they don't matter one friggin' iota. It seems to very much much be cut from the same cloth of behavior which no less than Al Jardine publicly in an interview called "crass" (I'm paraphrasing) with regards to how quickly Mike replaced Carl with a surrogate and went back on the road. Yes I realize nobody passed away here, but still it's gross in my book (perhaps not equally as gross). Mike's very, very, very afraid of losing control.

I think the shows SO close to C50 were to flex his muscle and pound on his chest like a gorilla. "I AM the Beach Boys! Rawr!"



It's like breaking up with your longtime wife and then going on a rebound adventure 15 minutes later, directly after walking out the door.

I guess Brian's album title "No Pier Pressure" is sort of Brian's "You Oughta Know", where (at least to me) the implication is to remind Mike that it was a slap in the face how quickly Brian was replaced, and wondering if Mike is thinking of Brian as he (Mike) f*cks the brand name into the ground.

[guitarfool2002]

Grab a drink of choice, take a leisurely hour or so if interested, and search the previous discussions on these very same issues regarding C50 and Mike's role in it from previous years. Not wanting this to sound the wrong way, but there were a few of us who have been saying the same things for years at this point, again it's all there available to read and research, from what really happened with the Nutty Jerry's booking to the winery charity gig Mike and Bruce flew back to the States to play immediately after C50...and a gig which some in the crowd assumed would have the full Beach Boys band, not Stamos with Mike's band.

More to come as reminders too, from the Israel bookings to the inanity of Mike claiming that a rather paltry list of B-list shows including one freebie in the wake of C50 were the uber-important bookings he had to make. Tell us any of those shows could not have been worked around if not canceled or postponed...

...and beyond that, logistics aside, how fucking cool would it have been to have Mike, Bruce...AND the other C50 guys (i.e. together known as The Real Beach Boys) show up at something like that car show gig? Just for fun, you know? Yeah, it wouldn't have happened most likely, but Mike just had to play that car show as part of his obligation...so do it! It's one gig.

Mike did not want to continue C50 and be second banana to the notion of a reunited band as a whole, whether personally, financially, or otherwise. He thinks he is or wants to be The Beach Boys. That's pretty much it, isn't it?


And as far as opinions on other forums, for some of those people having to face the facts regarding Mike's comments and C50 and the whole ball of wax would be like giving a globe to someone who believes the earth is flat.

[HeyJude]

Regarding Mike's 2012 bookings, I'm sure many of those are his typical haunts. As I mentioned, I'm sure part of the modus operandi was to re-establish his own touring operation, which would include both literally reasserting his version of the band as *the* version, and also keeping up relationships with venues and promoters, etc.

My point was less about those particular venues, and more the general point that he *didn't* play very many shows for the remainder of 2012 and even going into early 2013. Nine shows in the four months after C50 ended. So he didn't even try find some happy medium between ending the reunion cold or continuing on forever.

I think it was Howie Edelson back then that threw out the idea that to counteract the awful PR, they could have reconvened and announced a New Year's Eve "farewell" concert (or some amount of additional dates to round out the year) and at least end the thing on somewhat of a better note.

And again, back to the *number* of shows he did, doing nine shows across the four months after C50 doesn't really sound anything like the "obligation" Mike describes that he apparently *immediately* had to take on to book more shows. I wouldn't be surprised if the license requires some level of activity/booking (either totally number of shows, or some other measure), but I highly doubt BRI would have taken issue with Mike waiting until the new year to start touring again.

Indeed, Mike booking shows while C50 was still going actually created problems, at least indirectly, for BRI when places like Nutty Jerry's started getting confused and used C50 photos to promote Mike's show. These sorts of problems (and certainly the need to issue a press release before C50 was even over to let people know they wouldn't be getting Brian, Al, or David) would have been largely avoided had Mike decided to simply wait a few months before booking shows.

[Rocker]

This is almost as bad as the fake Fleetwood Mac that tried to tour in the 70s

It's also literally so incredibly insulting to the other members to play something THAT close in time to the UK C50 final shows.

IIRC, that show was scheduled before the extra dates of the Beach Boys (when I say "Beach Boys" I mean of course the "Beach Boys" and not Mike'n'Bruce) were added; that was mentioned in some article or interview during the tour. So, originally there was a longer gap between the last Beach Boys show and the first Mike'n'Bruce show.
To be honest - and this might be nothing to anyone - I think Mike and Bruce not attending the dinner Brian and Melinda gave for the band and the group of musicians etc. was (again: in my eyes) more offensive, especially since John Cowsill and Scott Totten did attend afaik and also made it to the first Mike'n'Bruce show.

[HeyJude]

This is almost as bad as the fake Fleetwood Mac that tried to tour in the 70s

It's also literally so incredibly insulting to the other members to play something THAT close in time to the UK C50 final shows.

IIRC, that show was scheduled before the extra dates of the Beach Boys (when I say "Beach Boys" I mean of course the "Beach Boys" and not Mike'n'Bruce) were added; that was mentioned in some article or interview during the tour. So, originally there was a longer gap between the last Beach Boys show and the first Mike'n'Bruce show.
To be honest - and this might be nothing to anyone - I think Mike and Bruce not attending the dinner Brian and Melinda gave for the band and the group of musicians etc. was (again: in my eyes) more offensive, especially since John Cowsill and Scott Totten did attend afaik and also made it to the first Mike'n'Bruce show.

I'm sure Mike ideally wouldn't have had his first show butted up right against the end of C50, as in less than 48 hours later. But again, had he simply showed a bit of restraint as far as waiting a little while to book dates, it wouldn't have been an issue.

If they had had better management at BRI, they could have made things a lot less messy *even if* Mike had decided to end the reunion.

As has been pointed out, the band collectively was a laughing stock of the industry for not having their s**t together after 50 years. They could have made the end of C50 *far more* clean even if they all hated each other's guts.

The way C50 ended also scared away promoters with deep pockets who maybe would have considered booking another reunion tour in 2014 or something. A moot issue of course.

I thought it was pretty hilarious that Mike gave that interview in September 2012 saying he had been told by *someone* in the industry that the reunion should "give it a rest" to build up demand, even though he was planning to go back out on his own "Beach Boys" show less than 48 hours after C50 ended at Wembley.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

This is almost as bad as the fake Fleetwood Mac that tried to tour in the 70s

It's also literally so incredibly insulting to the other members to play something THAT close in time to the UK C50 final shows.

IIRC, that show was scheduled before the extra dates of the Beach Boys (when I say "Beach Boys" I mean of course the "Beach Boys" and not Mike'n'Bruce) were added; that was mentioned in some article or interview during the tour. So, originally there was a longer gap between the last Beach Boys show and the first Mike'n'Bruce show.
To be honest - and this might be nothing to anyone - I think Mike and Bruce not attending the dinner Brian and Melinda gave for the band and the group of musicians etc. was (again: in my eyes) more offensive, especially since John Cowsill and Scott Totten did attend afaik and also made it to the first Mike'n'Bruce show.

I too found that highly offensive yet also telling

[HeyJude]

This is almost as bad as the fake Fleetwood Mac that tried to tour in the 70s

It's also literally so incredibly insulting to the other members to play something THAT close in time to the UK C50 final shows.

IIRC, that show was scheduled before the extra dates of the Beach Boys (when I say "Beach Boys" I mean of course the "Beach Boys" and not Mike'n'Bruce) were added; that was mentioned in some article or interview during the tour. So, originally there was a longer gap between the last Beach Boys show and the first Mike'n'Bruce show.
To be honest - and this might be nothing to anyone - I think Mike and Bruce not attending the dinner Brian and Melinda gave for the band and the group of musicians etc. was (again: in my eyes) more offensive, especially since John Cowsill and Scott Totten did attend afaik and also made it to the first Mike'n'Bruce show.

I too found that highly offensive yet also telling

It was extra ironic a few years later when Mike posted on Facebook about his birthday party, and went to great lengths to specifically mention that Brian had been invited and that he was bummed that Brian had chosen not to attend.

[HeyJude]

I know it's always good to be thankful for what we have and not dwell too much on what could have been, but geez, what a bunch of wasted years since 2012 that they could have been recording albums together and touring.

We're four months away from it being SEVEN years since they first reconvened in May 2011 to re-record "Do It Again." We're now up to 20 years since Al was squeezed out of the band. What a waste. I'm glad Brian has put out some great stuff, as has Al.

But man, C50 was a perfect "proof of concept", that a reunion wouldn't just be a novelty thing where we could say we saw them all up on stage together. What they made was actually legit, true art.

For a guy that seems pretty focused in some ways about his reputation and his place in history, Mike has sure done a good job of running that rep and place in the BB story/history into the ground.

[Hickory Violet Part IV]

7 years, goodness me!

That's sobering.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

This is almost as bad as the fake Fleetwood Mac that tried to tour in the 70s

It's also literally so incredibly insulting to the other members to play something THAT close in time to the UK C50 final shows.

IIRC, that show was scheduled before the extra dates of the Beach Boys (when I say "Beach Boys" I mean of course the "Beach Boys" and not Mike'n'Bruce) were added; that was mentioned in some article or interview during the tour. So, originally there was a longer gap between the last Beach Boys show and the first Mike'n'Bruce show.
To be honest - and this might be nothing to anyone - I think Mike and Bruce not attending the dinner Brian and Melinda gave for the band and the group of musicians etc. was (again: in my eyes) more offensive, especially since John Cowsill and Scott Totten did attend afaik and also made it to the first Mike'n'Bruce show.

I too found that highly offensive yet also telling

It was extra ironic a few years later when Mike posted on Facebook about his birthday party, and went to great lengths to specifically mention that Brian had been invited and that he was bummed that Brian had chosen not to attend.

thats shitty

[guitarfool2002]

The photo which sums up C50.

[guitarfool2002]

And for those who missed it, this was the original listing for that show which Mike and Bruce (with Stamos) played immediately after C50 wrapped in the UK:

http://www.usfcc.org/
The Legacy Concert for the Children
We cordially invite you to join us for “The Legacy Concert for the Children” with The Beach Boys as they wrap up their 50th Anniversary world-wide tour. This exclusive event will take place at The Santaluz Club on Sunday, September 30th, 2012.
Santaluz Club
8170 Caminito Santaluz E.
San Diego, CA 92127


Anyone at this show? Info/Setlist?

And some video from that gig, where Mike closes by yelling to the crowd "How about a hand for John Stamos showing up?":

https://vimeo.com/50584304

And the related thread from that time:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,14425.0.html

More on Nutty Jerry's to come...

[guitarfool2002]

And while Ang argues that C50 was not a bona fide effort, or doesn't agree with what happened post-reunion, notwithstanding the apparently conflicting press releases, the fact remains that there were contractual obligations in place that the Touring Band had to perform on. 

There was a huge outcry when Brian cancelled the UK tour.  Lots of very disappointed fans.  The Touring Band avoided that by honoring those contractual obligations.  They may have remembered an ill-fated cancelled tour in 1968. I surely remember.

What were those obligations that were in place while C50 was happening? If I recall there was a breakdown of Mike's bookings for immediately following the final UK shows, and there was one show on the books for Chile and another planned for Argentina and both were cancelled, there was the Nutty Jerry's debacle which Nutty Jerry's canceled due to the which-band-is-it confusion, and I believe it was either a day or two after flying back from the UK that the touring band did a charity gig featuring John Stamos in California. After that, for the rest of 2012 the band played just over a half-dozen shows in those final three months. Into January/February 2013 until the end of March, they did a combined half-dozen shows until they traveled to Asia, end of March 2013.

So in roughly 6 months time end of 2012 into 2013, there were about a dozen shows "on the books". The two which fans knew about due to news reports during C50 that caused something of an issue with booking them during C50 and confusions about the names and all of that - Nutty Jerry's and Chile/Argentina - were canceled anyway.

Whatever we want to discuss as far as what could have been done or why things were done or whatever else, the schedule shows that in the 6 months or so following C50 the schedule wasn't exactly packed with contractual obligations. And I remember there was even some confusion about that charity gig with Stamos in California they played as soon as they got back from the UK, that was discussed on this board as it happened.

As far as "lots of very disappointed fans", why did the BB's cancel their performance in Israel? I don't believe an explanation was ever given. Why did they pull out of the "Summernites Cruise" which would have happened last weekend? There were a lot of disappointed fans who thought they'd be seeing the band at that event, too, and I don't think I've seen a reason given for the cancellation. Things happen.

GF - my sidelines observation is that the band seems to return for "annual gigs" so that would be booking out a year in advance.  Eg. Some casino in Mississippi seems to book them every Columbus weekend.  I don't do their booking, so I don't know.  I vaguely remember the Nutty Jerry's thing.  Some local promoters use very outdated photos "on their own" while selling tix. 

IIRC, Israel was cancelled and it was during some heavy bombing. Could it have been for safety?  I don't know.  Some friends were in Israel at the time and told me it was not a safe time.

There could be some clause which releases them for "force majeure." It is a common clause in contacts that frees both parties from liability or obligation when extraordinarily events or circumstances beyond the control of the parties, such as war, strike, riot, crime, or under an "Act of God" clause such as a hurricane, flooding, earthquake, volcanic eruption.

But, if the annual booking theory could be correct and they started planning in December of 2011, those "standing appointments" for October were likely in place.  I'm not privy to their schedule and don't represent that I do.

From what I've read that event (if we are taking about the same gig) was canceled months prior.

And, I've "felt the pain" of a cancelled tour. 1968 - a crushed teenager! 

And there is an old exchange on a topic brought up yet again in this thread, just to show the kind of spin that was launched. In this case, the excuse was that Mike had "contractual obligations" to cause him to slam the door shut on further opportunities with the C50 lineup...which turned out to be a paltry number of shows anyway.

And it brings up the Israel booking, which Mike made it a focal point of his reasoning in Mojo...which later did happen but was canceled...under unknown circumstances...more on that too, I guess.

Just read through some of those golden oldies and get a sense of the spin and parsing that was happening.

[guitarfool2002]

When Mike went on CBS and made the comments directed at Melinda, it went out to however many million viewers were watching, listening, or reading that linked transcript from the CBS program. He cannot assume everyone watching had his book in hand, or even knew he had a book on the market until that segment was aired. Therefore, that's the context - what he said on CBS.

And I'll say again, if Mike is going after Brian's wife on a television appearance adding to all of the comments since 2012 placed in his various interviews promoting his concerts within dozens of newspapers and various outlets, not to mention whatever went on via legal actions, is it surprising that Mike isn't getting invitations from Brian to write songs? If Mike goes after Brian's wife, family, etc in public, and it's been ongoing for years, why or how would Mike be disappointed if they don't have a personal relationship? We're still talking about real people with real emotions and feelings.

GF - there is so much in that book, I found to be very informative.  Maybe a thread should be set up to address that.  And keep comments confined to "If you read this..." please comment. 

It is intense to read, I found, after going throat 400+ pages.  The interviews are beyond the book.  Those relationships are like them walking off-stage after a show.  They go back to their own lives.  That is for the parties to figure out.  It can't be "vicariously" worked out on a message board. I think it is inappropriate. That is my opinion.  Blood is still thicker than water. 

If you read the book, I think your heart will be touched as Carl explains to Brian how they were kept away from him and were not rejecting him. I think you will gain another insight into the history of the band.   

I started a thread on the book, and made specific and sometimes extensive comments based on the actual pages of the book, giving my opinions and impressions of those specific sections in the book, with more to follow. As a result, I've apparently been publicly accused of charging the author with plagiarism, which I never did, and in other cases been accused by you personally among others of claiming posters here like you and Cam had a hand in writing it - a charge which is as laughable as it is false since everything I wrote is still on this board...and available to review in the thread about the book.

My most recent comments on the book are specific to what Mike said to CBS, and the notion of why Brian would be expected to invite Mike to write songs or do much of anything else after seeing his wife be the subject of Mike's comments, on top of Mike saying he was being "controlled" and drugged as recent as the past month in a public interview, and a laundry list of comments made toward his family and assorted issues peppered throughout interviews supposed to be promoting Mike's concerts.

My comments on the book have also been along the lines of what I wish Mike had included in the book, among them the lightning-rod issues like Mike giving seed money to fund the PMRC in the 80's, the 2005 lawsuit which Mike lost and lost big, and the lack of more inter-personal inner workings that were at play within the band during the Smile era.

I've also commented on the lack of context given that June 2012 email that we're told scuppered the extension and further booking of C50 shows, specifically what other emails if any correspondence came prior to the oft-cited email quoted in the book, and what was the context in which that email appeared. My comments on that are based on wondering how a lone email within what was a multi-million dollar corporate structure running C50 and affecting dozens of participants on the tour could be cited as if it came out of the blue with no precedent. I'm one who is curious to learn more about what led to it, and what else may have come prior to it within the chain of operations on that tour as of June 2012.

That's context.

GF - The book is over 400 pages.  It is Mike's account and not a reflection of what others think should be in the book.  The section on the lawsuit which was initiated by Landy with his devious plot to have Brian's kids disinherited, was originated by Landy. 

There are two email exchanges and one is from early June and one from late June.  I thought there was only one. 

IIRC  - three and a half weeks seemed too long to "call back" the first email of "no more shows for us" - which looked pretty final to me.  So, what I learned in the  book, is that there were TWO emails. 

On June 1st (it related to shows in Israel) which was turned down (the "no more shows for Wilson") and a June 25th email to "disregard the previous message." That is found on pp. 401-402. 

The info I am relying on is what is in front of me and not legal advice or counsel.***

The 2005 lawsuit had nothing to do with Landy. Why did you just dodge that entirely and bring Landy into it?

2005.

What if anything came before the email you reference from the book?

As a reader of the book...can I not say "I wish he had talked about that?" as a reaction? Or do we just take everything at face value?

Someone asked you a direct question about something that *is* in the book, and you dodged their question, and further gave the answer "buy the book". How about answering their question, since you said you wanted to discuss what was in the book, and someone asked a specific question about what was actually in the book?

Did Mike on CBS contradict what is in the book about this 'partner' confrontation at C50? Simple question...why duck it?

GF - The overall dispute was over C50 - if someone writes an email that says on June 1st they are done, and the other party "relies on it" - and 25 days elapse, that puts the whole situation in a very different light.  I think the retraction was too late. (not legal advice)***

The suit in 2005 did not prevail. It is not in the book.  The book is enough to deal with.  I am not dodging anything,  I am not interested in discussing it or going on some other tangent.  I'd  like to hear what people think about things such as Carl's last days on the concert tour, it's impact on the band, how they carried on post.  Most do not want to discuss that but get into the soap opera/drama mode over "hot words" that got resolved.  It turned out just fine - but that is not drama.

My head is still exploding over how premeditated Landy was.  More than I ever imagined.   

 

Even more parsing, ducking, and dodging from the good ol' days related to C50, and a tactic which I am informed was still attempted very recently, elsewhere, when someone raised the issue of Mike's 2005 lawsuit...focus on Landy instead, then claim ignorance or use the "move along, nothing to see here" dodge. Oh, and more spin on C50 and this email.

Good times! 

[Shady]

Can I quickly make a point about the 2012 Mike and Bruce shows.

We were all on here when that news came through. He was booking shows while the C50 tour was still going on. It was a dick move and he made some really unfortunate comments during the tour too. While it was magical and a time I will never forget, he could have easily ruined it.

Mike has a nobody to blame but himself for the perception out there.

[guitarfool2002]

Last one for now (promise...), "Beach Boys cancel their first Tel Aviv concert" thread from October 2014

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,18428.0.html

Mike in the new Mojo article puts the email alongside an offer to play in Israel. That of course never happened with the C50 lineup, but a few years later it was headline news in Israel that "The Beach Boys" were booked to play there, November 29 2014 to be exact.

As you'll see in that old thread, the show suddenly got canceled.

The reports said it was due to lack of ticket sales after potential buyers found out Brian and Al (the C50 lineup) would not be there, but this would be a Mike and Bruce show. A follow up report on the cancellation says this wasn't the case, yet gives no reason why it was cancelled, only that the band cancelled it, not the promoters or agencies due to poor ticket sales.

There has - to the best of my knowledge - *never* been an official explanation from the band or BRI given for the band pulling out of this booking in Israel. I've even asked - no answer given. If you read the reports, poor ticket sales was the reason given in press reports when it was clarified that C50 was not playing, and Brian would not be there. I read those articles, and multiple reader comments (some translated into English from Hebrew) line up with that reason.

So if Mike puts the importance of this June 2012 email around a booking in Israel for C50, then books his own show there two years later only to have it cancelled (still waiting for an official reason over 3 years later), isn't it just a bit ironic *IF* this show was indeed canceled because fans there wanted to see the C50 lineup or at least Brian on stage at the show, then balked when they learned it would be a Mike show instead?

Point is, it's not like this didn't happen before with nearly the same results. A venue books "The Beach Boys" for early Fall 2012, thinking it would be something from the C50 lineup. They find out it will not be C50, and cancel the booking because they thought it was an additional C50 show and would not present something less to their buyers, and announced this in a public statement canceling that show. Then Mike's spokesman tells the LA Times that *Mike* pulled the plug on the show, not the venue/bookers.

That was Nutty Jerry's.

So there is no official word or reason why Israel was canceled in November 2014, even though Mike in Mojo hinges the June 2012 email on an offer for The Beach Boys to play Israel, and Nutty Jerry's cancels a show that was assumed to be but wasn't C50 in Fall 2012, yet Mike's spokesman says Mike was the one who canceled it.

So much for avoiding confusion and setting the record straight.

[Debbie KL]

It's worth commenting when we see the entire email chain.  Otherwise that discussion is all wild speculation.  The possibility of that email chain being released is about 0, since it's part of BRI business- thus, confidential - so NONE of it should have been made public, by the usual whisper campaign or otherwise.  We know what cherry-picked lines from email chains mean - you're probably being misled, for whatever reason.  With all of that in mind, of course Melinda hasn't shared the emails involved publicly - it's frikkin' confidential.  Something she apparently understands.

Re: the licensing of the BB's music to L&M, has anyone asked what Mike made from that transaction? People are making it sound like that worked badly for him.  Really?

We keep hearing how much Mike makes for BRI, yet we have no idea what that is either, as opposed to what he makes from the touring license.  Has anyone seen any real numbers?  I haven't.

It's interesting to see everyone's view on this subject, but nobody I'm aware of here or on that other board (that I haven't seen, but I know some of the players so probably never will), really have enough details for anything conclusive, other than the fact that Mike is relentless in his attack on the Wilsons in interviews, for whatever reason.  Insiders won't be sharing confidential info, so those who make such "insider" claims - well, take it for what it's worth.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

It's worth commenting when we see the entire email chain.  Otherwise that discussion is all wild speculation.  The possibility of that email chain being released is about 0, since it's part of BRI business- thus, confidential - so NONE of it should have been made public, by the usual whisper campaign or otherwise.  We know what cherry-picked lines from email chains mean - you're probably being misled, for whatever reason.  With all of that in mind, of course Melinda hasn't shared the emails involved publicly - it's frikkin' confidential.  Something she apparently understands.

Re: the licensing of the BB's music to L&M, has anyone asked what Mike made from that transaction? People are making it sound like that worked badly for him.  Really?

We keep hearing how much Mike makes for BRI, yet we have no idea what that is either, as opposed to what he makes from the touring license.  Has anyone seen any real numbers?  I haven't.

It's interesting to see everyone's view on this subject, but nobody I'm aware of here or on that other board (that I haven't seen, but I know some of the players so probably never will), really have enough details for anything conclusive, other than the fact that Mike is relentless in his attack on the Wilsons in interviews, for whatever reason.  Insiders won't be sharing confidential info, so those who make such "insider" claims - well, take it for what it's worth.

Which makes the fact that there are those who have claimed to have seen the emails...well,they're either lying or confidentiality was broken. Otherwise it is nothing but pure speculation and nothing else. I would take more heed of actual first hand knowledge rather than rumor-mongering from "someone who would know" who may or may not have an axe to grind....and nobody with first hand knowledge will be commenting for reasons you just stated. That said the behaviors or those involved since kind of speak for themselves.

And for the record, piranhas  can't digest bacon.

[guitarfool2002]

And consider this in terms of logic or lack thereof:

If one of the reasons offered was that Mike was contractually obligated to book shows for his band after C50 ended, why would an email in June be the deciding factor or catalyst in Mike booking shows for his own band?

In other words, if the email mentioned by Mike had *not* been sent in June 2012, wouldn't he have been booking shows for his band anyway if he were under contract to do so?

And if he wasn't booking his own shows until that email came in, when *would* he have started booking them if he were under contract to do so?


It's a piece of simple logic that yet again seems to counter the importance of this lone email and also challenges the excuse of being contractually obligated to start booking shows for the M&B band. Why did Mike wait, or what was he waiting for if booking shows was so vital, and the email was the green-light to do so?

Not to mention, the number of shows that actually ended up getting booked.

[Rocker]

Last one for now (promise...), "Beach Boys cancel their first Tel Aviv concert" thread from October 2014

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,18428.0.html

Mike in the new Mojo article puts the email alongside an offer to play in Israel. That of course never happened with the C50 lineup, but a few years later it was headline news in Israel that "The Beach Boys" were booked to play there, November 29 2014 to be exact.

As you'll see in that old thread, the show suddenly got canceled.

The reports said it was due to lack of ticket sales after potential buyers found out Brian and Al (the C50 lineup) would not be there, but this would be a Mike and Bruce show. A follow up report on the cancellation says this wasn't the case, yet gives no reason why it was cancelled, only that the band cancelled it, not the promoters or agencies due to poor ticket sales.

There has - to the best of my knowledge - *never* been an official explanation from the band or BRI given for the band pulling out of this booking in Israel. I've even asked - no answer given. If you read the reports, poor ticket sales was the reason given in press reports when it was clarified that C50 was not playing, and Brian would not be there. I read those articles, and multiple reader comments (some translated into English from Hebrew) line up with that reason.

So if Mike puts the importance of this June 2012 email around a booking in Israel for C50, then books his own show there two years later only to have it cancelled (still waiting for an official reason over 3 years later), isn't it just a bit ironic *IF* this show was indeed canceled because fans there wanted to see the C50 lineup or at least Brian on stage at the show, then balked when they learned it would be a Mike show instead?

Point is, it's not like this didn't happen before with nearly the same results. A venue books "The Beach Boys" for early Fall 2012, thinking it would be something from the C50 lineup. They find out it will not be C50, and cancel the booking because they thought it was an additional C50 show and would not present something less to their buyers, and announced this in a public statement canceling that show. Then Mike's spokesman tells the LA Times that *Mike* pulled the plug on the show, not the venue/bookers.

That was Nutty Jerry's.

So there is no official word or reason why Israel was canceled in November 2014, even though Mike in Mojo hinges the June 2012 email on an offer for The Beach Boys to play Israel, and Nutty Jerry's cancels a show that was assumed to be but wasn't C50 in Fall 2012, yet Mike's spokesman says Mike was the one who canceled it.

So much for avoiding confusion and setting the record straight.

Pure speculation on my point but I have a feeling that the fairly high profile events Mike&Bruce got in the years following the Beach Boys tour (for instance in Germany the Last night of the proms engagement and the "Goldene Kamera"-award in ZDF, in the UK the Royal Albert Hall) was a direct result of the big success of C50. They just don't get that press in Germany otherwise.

[guitarfool2002]

Another bit of logic to consider.

Let's assume this June email exists and was the deciding factor or the go-ahead in Mike booking shows for his own band after C50, for the sake of discussion.

Wouldn't that dismiss the notion of a "set end date" in some way?

As in, if as had been reported there was a set end point which everyone knew about going into the C50 tour, Mike could have been booking shows *for* any time after that end date of C50, *at* any time. Mike would not have needed an email from Melinda Wilson in June to confirm a set end date where he could start booking his own shows if such a set end date was already firmly established from the beginning, as has been suggested often.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Last one for now (promise...), "Beach Boys cancel their first Tel Aviv concert" thread from October 2014

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,18428.0.html

Mike in the new Mojo article puts the email alongside an offer to play in Israel. That of course never happened with the C50 lineup, but a few years later it was headline news in Israel that "The Beach Boys" were booked to play there, November 29 2014 to be exact.

As you'll see in that old thread, the show suddenly got canceled.

The reports said it was due to lack of ticket sales after potential buyers found out Brian and Al (the C50 lineup) would not be there, but this would be a Mike and Bruce show. A follow up report on the cancellation says this wasn't the case, yet gives no reason why it was cancelled, only that the band cancelled it, not the promoters or agencies due to poor ticket sales.

There has - to the best of my knowledge - *never* been an official explanation from the band or BRI given for the band pulling out of this booking in Israel. I've even asked - no answer given. If you read the reports, poor ticket sales was the reason given in press reports when it was clarified that C50 was not playing, and Brian would not be there. I read those articles, and multiple reader comments (some translated into English from Hebrew) line up with that reason.

So if Mike puts the importance of this June 2012 email around a booking in Israel for C50, then books his own show there two years later only to have it cancelled (still waiting for an official reason over 3 years later), isn't it just a bit ironic *IF* this show was indeed canceled because fans there wanted to see the C50 lineup or at least Brian on stage at the show, then balked when they learned it would be a Mike show instead?

Point is, it's not like this didn't happen before with nearly the same results. A venue books "The Beach Boys" for early Fall 2012, thinking it would be something from the C50 lineup. They find out it will not be C50, and cancel the booking because they thought it was an additional C50 show and would not present something less to their buyers, and announced this in a public statement canceling that show. Then Mike's spokesman tells the LA Times that *Mike* pulled the plug on the show, not the venue/bookers.

That was Nutty Jerry's.

So there is no official word or reason why Israel was canceled in November 2014, even though Mike in Mojo hinges the June 2012 email on an offer for The Beach Boys to play Israel, and Nutty Jerry's cancels a show that was assumed to be but wasn't C50 in Fall 2012, yet Mike's spokesman says Mike was the one who canceled it.

So much for avoiding confusion and setting the record straight.

Pure speculation on my point but I have a feeling that the fairly high profile events Mike&Bruce got in the years following the Beach Boys tour (for instance in Germany the Last night of the proms engagement and the "Goldene Kamera"-award in ZDF, in the UK the Royal Albert Hall) was a direct result of the big success of C50. They just don't get that press in Germany otherwise.

You're probably corrrect.