The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set?

[guitarfool2002]

“I wanted to have a home environment trip where we could record at my house,” recalls Brian Wilson in the liner notes for 1967 – Sunshine Tomorrow. “I wanted to try something different, something new. I produced Smiley Smile, but Mike inspired me. He said ‘Brian, let’s make a really good, easygoing album’. We had an engineer convert my den into a studio. We had my piano detuned to make it ring more.”


"We all really dug Motown, right?...So Brian reckoned we should get more into a white R&B bag. I also recall around that time the band, and Brian in particular, getting criticized very heavily for sounding like choirboys."  - Carl Wilson.

Hey, nothing says easygoing album like bullying your cousin into giving up a hit tune cuz you have bills to pay. Jeesh, if only Mike learned the lawsuit game earlier in life to get cash, perhaps Redwood would've been a successful af band under the guidance of BW.

I wonder if that inspiration included Mike going to Heider's studio during a Redwood session Brian was producing, demanding the tapes from Brian as Carl stood by and watched, then walking out with them after shutting down the plans for the Redwood project Brian had been developing for Brother.

[rab2591]

“I wanted to have a home environment trip where we could record at my house,” recalls Brian Wilson in the liner notes for 1967 – Sunshine Tomorrow. “I wanted to try something different, something new. I produced Smiley Smile, but Mike inspired me. He said ‘Brian, let’s make a really good, easygoing album’. We had an engineer convert my den into a studio. We had my piano detuned to make it ring more.”


"We all really dug Motown, right?...So Brian reckoned we should get more into a white R&B bag. I also recall around that time the band, and Brian in particular, getting criticized very heavily for sounding like choirboys."  - Carl Wilson.

Hey, nothing says easygoing album like bullying your cousin into giving up a hit tune cuz you have bills to pay. Jeesh, if only Mike learned the lawsuit game earlier in life to get cash, perhaps Redwood would've been a successful af band under the guidance of BW.

I wonder if that inspiration included Mike going to Heider's studio during a Redwood session Brian was producing, demanding the tapes from Brian as Carl stood by and watched, then walking out with them after shutting down the plans for the Redwood project Brian had been developing for Brother.

Eyyy, Brian was only in tears during that incident, it's not like there were any hard feelings.

I am really looking forward to this set though, hopefully the session tracks will shed light on the production of the album...ya know, who was in the studio directing and stuff.

[guitarfool2002]

“I wanted to have a home environment trip where we could record at my house,” recalls Brian Wilson in the liner notes for 1967 – Sunshine Tomorrow. “I wanted to try something different, something new. I produced Smiley Smile, but Mike inspired me. He said ‘Brian, let’s make a really good, easygoing album’. We had an engineer convert my den into a studio. We had my piano detuned to make it ring more.”


"We all really dug Motown, right?...So Brian reckoned we should get more into a white R&B bag. I also recall around that time the band, and Brian in particular, getting criticized very heavily for sounding like choirboys."  - Carl Wilson.

Hey, nothing says easygoing album like bullying your cousin into giving up a hit tune cuz you have bills to pay. Jeesh, if only Mike learned the lawsuit game earlier in life to get cash, perhaps Redwood would've been a successful af band under the guidance of BW.

I wonder if that inspiration included Mike going to Heider's studio during a Redwood session Brian was producing, demanding the tapes from Brian as Carl stood by and watched, then walking out with them after shutting down the plans for the Redwood project Brian had been developing for Brother.

Eyyy, Brian was only in tears during that incident, it's not like there were any hard feelings.

I am really looking forward to this set though, hopefully the session tracks will shed light on the production of the album...ya know, who was in the studio directing and stuff.

Well, that was Brian obviously. Calling the shots and all that, i.e. producing the album.

I guess there were no hard feelings, after the Redwood tapes walked out of Heider's with Mike. (sarcasm). That's inspiration if there ever was a way to inspire!

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I agree, it's the perfect era to try to pick up people who know the early stuff and PS, Wild Honey material is a great next step.

Definitely.

A little off topic, but a now sadly defunct college radio station in town (the station for Rice University, if you're wondering) used to play the sh*t out of tracks from WH. Well, the *only* time I ever heard any of my tracks played on the radio came about 8 years ago...and it came after they played "Aren't you Glad".

[rab2591]

“I wanted to have a home environment trip where we could record at my house,” recalls Brian Wilson in the liner notes for 1967 – Sunshine Tomorrow. “I wanted to try something different, something new. I produced Smiley Smile, but Mike inspired me. He said ‘Brian, let’s make a really good, easygoing album’. We had an engineer convert my den into a studio. We had my piano detuned to make it ring more.”


"We all really dug Motown, right?...So Brian reckoned we should get more into a white R&B bag. I also recall around that time the band, and Brian in particular, getting criticized very heavily for sounding like choirboys."  - Carl Wilson.

Hey, nothing says easygoing album like bullying your cousin into giving up a hit tune cuz you have bills to pay. Jeesh, if only Mike learned the lawsuit game earlier in life to get cash, perhaps Redwood would've been a successful af band under the guidance of BW.

I wonder if that inspiration included Mike going to Heider's studio during a Redwood session Brian was producing, demanding the tapes from Brian as Carl stood by and watched, then walking out with them after shutting down the plans for the Redwood project Brian had been developing for Brother.

Eyyy, Brian was only in tears during that incident, it's not like there were any hard feelings.

I am really looking forward to this set though, hopefully the session tracks will shed light on the production of the album...ya know, who was in the studio directing and stuff.

Well, that was Brian obviously. Calling the shots and all that, i.e. producing the album.

I guess there were no hard feelings, after the Redwood tapes walked out of Heider's with Mike. (sarcasm). That's inspiration if there ever was a way to inspire!

Obvious to anyone who actually listens to the music maybe. Not so obvious to the jackasses trying to convince everyone here it was all Carl a couple years ago.

[jiggy22]

At this time, Sunshine Tomorrow is currently sitting at #3 in Best Selling Rock Vinyl & CDs list on Amazon, a truly amazing sight to behold. I'm so ecstatic to see the Beach Boys and Wild Honey earning the wider recognition that they both deserve!

[The Heartical Don]

At this time, Sunshine Tomorrow is currently sitting at #3 in Best Selling Rock Vinyl & CDs list on Amazon, a truly amazing sight to behold. I'm so ecstatic to see the Beach Boys and Wild Honey earning the wider recognition that they both deserve!

It just gets better every day.

And how I love that cover art - who's responsible for this?

I never was too fond of the band name being done in, what is it? Neon light-y? I mean, like it's done on the Made In California cover - for me it is something, erm, semiotic: it marks the transition from the BBs 'art' into 'commerce', so to speak.

[PetSmile]

To return to topic, if the version of H&V really is a live Hawaii REHEARSAL, then I would expect it to be different from the last track on the Live In London/Concert twofer... which was a 'real' live recording from one of the actual Hawaii concerts. And I wouldn't expect it to be the version with the Mike 'Nuclear Bomb' monologue, as that was from the STUDIO rehearsals at Heider's, back in LA...

The track's 4:45 long, so it might be the Heroes rehearsal track without the Mike 'Nuclear Bomb' monologue over it, and with the many recorded sections sequenced together. The 'Lei'd in Hawaii' Heroes rehearsal I've previously downloaded was a lo-fi outtake, like the ones for God Only Knows (rehearsal) on Endless Harmony. From what I've heard, it's unfinished unlike the GV and God Only Knows rehearsals.

[Cabinessenceking]

At this time, Sunshine Tomorrow is currently sitting at #3 in Best Selling Rock Vinyl & CDs list on Amazon, a truly amazing sight to behold. I'm so ecstatic to see the Beach Boys and Wild Honey earning the wider recognition that they both deserve!

It just gets better every day.

And how I love that cover art - who's responsible for this?

I never was too fond of the band name being done in, what is it? Neon light-y? I mean, like it's done on the Made In California cover - for me it is something, erm, semiotic: it marks the transition from the BBs 'art' into 'commerce', so to speak.

Huge improvement from the artwork in TWGMTR and MiC, that's for sure.

[Bicyclerider]

Wait, that's a misprint on the cover - shouldn't it be "Shunshine Tomorrow?"

[The Heartical Don]

Wait, that's a misprint on the cover - shouldn't it be "Shunshine Tomorrow?"

 

How astute, old sport.

[HeyJude]

I don't know if it was just a coincidence or was programmed thusly, but I think it ended up being *genius* to announce "Sunshine Tomorrow" right as the Beatles "Pepper" deluxe set is hitting shelves.

I think many folks are looking to "Sunshine Tomorrow" as a sort of "meanwhile, The Beach Boys were doing this" sort of set, and while I'm not prepared to say anything negative about multiple discs of Beatles outtakes being released (waiting to get my hands on the set today!), it has to excite BRI and the Beach Boys to see people actually saying they're *as* excited, or even *more* excited about "Sunshine Tomorrow" than they are about the Pepper set.

I know I've run into a few BB fans now and then that have a hang up about the Beatles being better/more popular, etc. But this is all great, if partially inadvertent, marketing synergy. Frankly, any BB fan that digs 1967 BB music should pick up the Pepper set, *and* any Beatles fan that digs 1967 Beatles music should pick up "Sunshine Tomorrow."

And hopefully, Amazon's "People who bought this also bought...." feature will help as well, and for once I won't have to see that people who bought Sgt. Pepper also bought a can of bug spray, a six-pack of bath towels, and a box of Omaha Steaks, and instead will see "Sunshine Tomorrow" in that list.

[CenturyDeprived]

To return to topic, if the version of H&V really is a live Hawaii REHEARSAL, then I would expect it to be different from the last track on the Live In London/Concert twofer... which was a 'real' live recording from one of the actual Hawaii concerts. And I wouldn't expect it to be the version with the Mike 'Nuclear Bomb' monologue, as that was from the STUDIO rehearsals at Heider's, back in LA...

The track's 4:45 long, so it might be the Heroes rehearsal track without the Mike 'Nuclear Bomb' monologue over it, and with the many recorded sections sequenced together. The 'Lei'd in Hawaii' Heroes rehearsal I've previously downloaded was a lo-fi outtake, like the ones for God Only Knows (rehearsal) on Endless Harmony. From what I've heard, it's unfinished unlike the GV and God Only Knows rehearsals.

Maybe the isolated Mike 'Nuclear Bomb' monologue is a hidden track at the very end of the set?

In all seriousness, I actually would be surprised if there wasn't a hidden track on the set.

[jiggy22]

To return to topic, if the version of H&V really is a live Hawaii REHEARSAL, then I would expect it to be different from the last track on the Live In London/Concert twofer... which was a 'real' live recording from one of the actual Hawaii concerts. And I wouldn't expect it to be the version with the Mike 'Nuclear Bomb' monologue, as that was from the STUDIO rehearsals at Heider's, back in LA...

The track's 4:45 long, so it might be the Heroes rehearsal track without the Mike 'Nuclear Bomb' monologue over it, and with the many recorded sections sequenced together. The 'Lei'd in Hawaii' Heroes rehearsal I've previously downloaded was a lo-fi outtake, like the ones for God Only Knows (rehearsal) on Endless Harmony. From what I've heard, it's unfinished unlike the GV and God Only Knows rehearsals.

Maybe the isolated Mike 'Nuclear Bomb' monologue is a hidden track at the very end of the set?

In all seriousness, I actually would be surprised if there wasn't a hidden track on the set.

I wouldn't mind the projected H&V single w/I'm in Great Shape as a hidden track 

[JK]

Wait, that's a misprint on the cover - shouldn't it be "Shunshine Tomorrow?"

I've been singing it all week but now I'm singing this. Damn.

[hideyotsuburaya]

Mike Love didn't put the kibosh on Brian's Redwood outside project in its' totality--only the extent of it.  Danny Hutton has said that at the time they were beginning recording an albums' worth of material w/ Brian producing but Mike said to him 'No--not an album we'll start with a single only' and Danny wouldn't hear of it, it's a full album or nothing he replied.  So Redwood got nothing.  If Danny had agreed to a trial 45 instead then Darlin' would have not been a Beach Boys single.  In Mike's defense I think he didn't want his cousins attention taken away by a whole LP's work outside the group but 2 songs were fine

[HeyJude]

Comments from Chuck Negron (as told to Howie Edelson), as well as what Brian Wilson directly told Ray Lawlor, are pretty damning:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,21301.msg518000.html#msg518000

[hideyotsuburaya]

Mike was ruthless pulling the plug on Redwood, though a single only (brother Records label) was how Danny Hutton understood it at the time.  Brian offered to pay for recording a full album (even if he couldn't be producer) because he'd no doubt promised Danny that at the outset (apparently he wasn't taken up on that financial offer).  It's apparent Mike called the new Brother Records shots by this early incident and Brian learned that the hard way.  It's my belief that Mike's name was added to the Darlin' songwriting credit only AFTER Redwood refused a 45-only deal to start (but after some Redwood vocals had been recorded), interpreting the lyrics were modified by Mike (the title was a common Danny Hutton expression)

[Rocky Raccoon]

Check out this animated album cover from the band's Facebook.  

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

That is sweet

[JK]

So cool!

[Scaroline No]

I suddenly want a Wild Honey stained glass suncatcher or window sticker!

[Rocker]

Nothing new but the press release is now also up on the official site:

https://www.thebeachboys.com/news/beach-boys-open-vaults-1967-sunshine-tomorrow-be-released-worldwide-june-30

[Bicyclerider]

Mike was ruthless pulling the plug on Redwood, though a single only (brother Records label) was how Danny Hutton understood it at the time.  Brian offered to pay for recording a full album (even if he couldn't be producer) because he'd no doubt promised Danny that at the outset (apparently he wasn't taken up on that financial offer).  It's apparent Mike called the new Brother Records shots by this early incident and Brian learned that the hard way.  It's my belief that Mike's name was added to the Darlin' songwriting credit only AFTER Redwood refused a 45-only deal to start (but after some Redwood vocals had been recorded), interpreting the lyrics were modified by Mike (the title was a common Danny Hutton expression)

Darlin' was a rewrite of Thinkin' Bout You Baby which was a Wilson-Love song, so wouldn't he have to be credited as a co-writer?  Or can you replace lyrics and if the original co-writer only wrote the original lyrics, can you drop them off of the remake?

[Howie Edelson]

Mike told me that he was literally finishing the lyrics to "Darlin'" during the tracking session (he said the same was true of writing the final lyrics to "Wild Honey.")
I specifically asked if the plan was to do the same to "Hide And Go Seek" (e.g. take an early giveaway and revamp it) and he had no recollection of that.

But to answer the question, Mike said that his contribution was definitely to "Darlin'" -- not merely the lyricist to "Thinkin' 'Bout You Baby."