Opinions on LGBT rights

[Pretty Funky]

Right now, I'm brewing up a hot mug of Who Gives a F**k? 

Anyone care to join me?

Yes please...

[Micha]

Brian's Facebook had a gay pride thing the day the Supreme Court ruled gay marriage constitutional. Take that how you will.

By the way, I think this isn't a topic that should be on this part of the board.

Yup. More a sandbox thing. Not a topic I'm interested in anyway. I don't care if anyone is gay or collects butterflies or both. If two butterfly collectors want to get married, go ahead.

[D409]

When Sean O'Hagan of The High Llamas met up with The Beach Boys to discuss producing an album for them :

http://uncanny1.blogspot.co.uk/2005/05/brian-wilsonandy-paleysean-ohagan.html

Sharing whole article for context, but drawing particular attention to the following paragraph :

'Mike Love was less than hospitable. "He called me a blueboarder straight away, because I'm from England. 'You're all blueboarders,' he said. I was stunned. But it's weird - he's totally homophobic, but he struts about like a Seventies camp queen, doing his little breath mint wiggle. "Why all the gay moves, Mike?" ' *

*board has automatically changed words above to "blueboarder", the rest of the article's a fascinating insight into how BB-land worked at the time...

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

When Sean O'Hagan of The High Llamas met up with The Beach Boys to discuss producing an album for them :

http://uncanny1.blogspot.co.uk/2005/05/brian-wilsonandy-paleysean-ohagan.html

Sharing whole article for context, but drawing particular attention to the following paragraph :

'Mike Love was less than hospitable. "He called me a blueboarder straight away, because I'm from England. 'You're all blueboarders,' he said. I was stunned. But it's weird - he's totally homophobic, but he struts about like a Seventies camp queen, doing his little breath mint wiggle. "Why all the gay moves, Mike?" ' *

*board has automatically changed words above to "blueboarder", the rest of the article's a fascinating insight into how BB-land worked at the time...

Oh boy. Nobody really comes out looking good in that story. Especially Mike. Is "blueboarder" really this board's euphemism/correction for f@gg0t? Where did that come from? Cant say Im surprised about Mike. Just one more reason to dislike him, I guess.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I resemble that insinuation. I'm from England, and I'm definitely not a Blueboarder. I may consult my legal team on this appalling insult. Really...

[Micha]

The German word for "bassoon" is "Fagott". Oh, wait, that's pretty irrelevant...

[Gerry]

Then what's the German word for an Englishman who smokes cigarettes ?

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

Then what's the German word for an Englishman who smokes cigarettes ?

Banana Daiquiri

[Marty Castillo]

When Sean O'Hagan of The High Llamas met up with The Beach Boys to discuss producing an album for them :

http://uncanny1.blogspot.co.uk/2005/05/brian-wilsonandy-paleysean-ohagan.html

Sharing whole article for context, but drawing particular attention to the following paragraph :

'Mike Love was less than hospitable. "He called me a blueboarder straight away, because I'm from England. 'You're all blueboarders,' he said. I was stunned. But it's weird - he's totally homophobic, but he struts about like a Seventies camp queen, doing his little breath mint wiggle. "Why all the gay moves, Mike?" ' *

*board has automatically changed words above to "blueboarder", the rest of the article's a fascinating insight into how BB-land worked at the time...

Oh boy. Nobody really comes out looking good in that story. Especially Mike. Is "blueboarder" really this board's euphemism/correction for f@gg0t? Where did that come from? Cant say Im surprised about Mike. Just one more reason to dislike him, I guess.

Again, this seems like 20 year old recollections being used to bludgeon people in 2015. While these anecdotes are cringe-worthy now, I will, once again, say sentiments in the USA have changed dramatically in the last five years alone.

I pulled this from a Politifacts article:

"In 2007, all the presidential contenders except for longshot candidates -- both Democrats and GOP -- were against same-sex marriage, the New York Times reported. So were the majority of Americans, polls showed."

I really don't know what more can be gained from this thread. I applaud Brian for his outward show of support when gay marriage was approved. I can also understand why others would chose to not make public statements. For me personally, I didn't need a bunch of family members and old classmates berating me for my views. I feel like I have been able to help change more minds by having personal conversations than making chest-thumping statements on Facebook. But that's just me.

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

When Sean O'Hagan of The High Llamas met up with The Beach Boys to discuss producing an album for them :

http://uncanny1.blogspot.co.uk/2005/05/brian-wilsonandy-paleysean-ohagan.html

Sharing whole article for context, but drawing particular attention to the following paragraph :

'Mike Love was less than hospitable. "He called me a blueboarder straight away, because I'm from England. 'You're all blueboarders,' he said. I was stunned. But it's weird - he's totally homophobic, but he struts about like a Seventies camp queen, doing his little breath mint wiggle. "Why all the gay moves, Mike?" ' *

*board has automatically changed words above to "blueboarder", the rest of the article's a fascinating insight into how BB-land worked at the time...

Oh boy. Nobody really comes out looking good in that story. Especially Mike. Is "blueboarder" really this board's euphemism/correction for f@gg0t? Where did that come from? Cant say Im surprised about Mike. Just one more reason to dislike him, I guess.

Again, this seems like 20 year old recollections being used to bludgeon people in 2015. While these anecdotes are cringe-worthy now, I will, once again, say sentiments in the USA have changed dramatically in the last five years alone.

I pulled this from a Politifacts article:

"In 2007, all the presidential contenders except for longshot candidates -- both Democrats and GOP -- were against same-sex marriage, the New York Times reported. So were the majority of Americans, polls showed."

I really don't know what more can be gained from this thread. I applaud Brian for his outward show of support when gay marriage was approved. I can also understand why others would chose to not make public statements. For me personally, I didn't need a bunch of family members and old classmates berating me for my views. I feel like I have been able to help change more minds by having personal conversations than making chest-thumping statements on Facebook. But that's just me.

Indeed. I personally feel Ive changed more minds just being openly out than making sanctimonious posts online too.

Im aware even Obama--who inexplicably some people credit with making Gay marriage happen--ran against it in 2008.

That being said, theres a difference between thinking Gay marriage is wrong, and calling someone you just met a f@ggot and saying all people from X country is a f@ggot. One is a product of the times, the other is just being a cantankerous old b@st@rd, regardless of time or place. I dont see how that can be excused, whether it happened 2 or 20 years ago. Im not wagging my finger at Mike for being anti-gay in this case so much as being undeniably rude and insulting.

[Robbie Mac]

Not a good idea.

You're not a moderator anymore, remember?

[SloopJohnB]

True. Us mere members shouldn't have the right to share our opinions!

[Douchepool]

Not a good idea.

You're not a moderator anymore, remember?

You know, I had just forgotten until you rushed in to remind me. What a relief!

[donald]

The Beachboys were of their era on this topic as we all were in our own particular formative years.   I would assume they have moved on and matured , evolved , to borrow a phrase from the politicians.  Most of us who grew up in the  50s and 60s were exposed to a lot of bigotry and intolerance, insensitive jokes about women, ethnic groups, and gays.  Hopefully most of us here have gotten beyond this along with the Beachboys.    still, a lot of folks , even some educated folks, seem to have trouble letting go of rigid gender role expectations.     but as has been said, probably enuf of this topic in this particular forum.   

[NateRuvin]

Wow-
I haven't visited Smiley Smile in a few days and came back to look at my post.

Jeez people? Isn't this what this website is for? Discussing and learning about the Beach Boys? It obviously has been mentioned in BBs books, so it's not an unreasonable question.

[sockittome]

Well let's keep this thing going.  We've obviously run out of things to discuss....

[Micha]

Then what's the German word for an Englishman who smokes cigarettes ?

Banana Daiquiri

If that is the correct answer, I don't get the joke. Unfortunately, I don't even understand the question, which seems to be a joke too, but it seems I'm not deep enough into the English language.

[AndrewHickey]

Then what's the German word for an Englishman who smokes cigarettes ?

Banana Daiquiri

If that is the correct answer, I don't get the joke. Unfortunately, I don't even understand the question, which seems to be a joke too, but it seems I'm not deep enough into the English language.

The joke is that you pointed out that the German word for one random thing sounds like a totally different English word, so they were coming up with another, funny-sounding, random English word.
The question (which, yes, is also a joke) is based around Mike Love saying all English men are "f.ags", but that to an English person the word "f.ag" usually means a cigarette.

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

Honestly, anytime someone says "How do you say _______?" or some derivative of that, I just immediately think of this scene from Godfather 2. IDKY but its like a commercial, it just implants itself into my mind whenever the scenario comes up.

[Micha]

Then what's the German word for an Englishman who smokes cigarettes ?

Banana Daiquiri

If that is the correct answer, I don't get the joke. Unfortunately, I don't even understand the question, which seems to be a joke too, but it seems I'm not deep enough into the English language.

The joke is that you pointed out that the German word for one random thing sounds like a totally different English word, so they were coming up with another, funny-sounding, random English word.
The question (which, yes, is also a joke) is based around Mike Love saying all English men are "f.ags", but that to an English person the word "f.ag" usually means a cigarette.

Aaahh... thank you! I get the joke now, it's funny! I learn so much here.

Well, one German word for an adjustable wrench translates as "Englishman", while there's a kind of large cookie that translates as "American".

[bonnevillemariner]

Dang, I thought this was the one place I could go online and not be inundated by this ridiculous subject.

[Micha]

You mean LGBT rights or completely irrevelant German words?

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

Dang, I thought this was the one place I could go online and not be inundated by this ridiculous subject.

Hey nobody forced ya to click on the link ya nincompoop  

[chaki]

Dang, I thought this was the one place I could go online and not be inundated by this ridiculous subject.

wahhhh why cant i keep my head in the sand!

[bonnevillemariner]

Dang, I thought this was the one place I could go online and not be inundated by this ridiculous subject.

wahhhh why cant i keep my head in the sand!

So, if one tires from the overkill, one's head is in the sand?  Project much?