8mm film of 1965 Hollywood Bowl concert on eBay

[r.dunbar]

I wish I could afford it...




http://www.ebay.com/itm/c1965-BEACH-BOYS-at-HOLLYWOOD-BOWL-Hollywood-CALIF-REG-8mm-Jim-Madden-MOVIE-FILM-/131596715643?hash=item1ea3c6867b



I figured such an item surfacing was deserving of it's own thread (If not, please delete this)

[SMiLE Brian]

Get Alan Boyd on this sh*t!!!!!!!!!!

[Pretty Funky]

The box says '50 FT' so that would be what, one song? Unplayed so unknown if it has sound I guess.

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

Format was not set up for capturing sound. Too Bad. 

[HeyJude]

Interesting curio. Looks like it's not literally one of a kind; looks like these short 8mm films were sold in the back of teen magazines. Wouldn't be surprised if this was originally 16mm newsreel footage put onto 8mm film to be sold.

[bgas]

Interesting curio. Looks like it's not literally one of a kind; looks like these short 8mm films were sold in the back of teen magazines. Wouldn't be surprised if this was originally 16mm newsreel footage put onto 8mm film to be sold.

Yes, It's described as being silent and if you read the item, you can see it is from the old stock of a company that sold them in magazines.  
I have a similar one, maybe even the same, altho my box states 100 ft.  Plan is take it down to the camera shop and have it transferred to DVD, when the funds are right.  
The previous owner of mine attached some BBs pics of his own to the outside of the box:  

       

[Pretty Funky]

As mentioned, seems to be some kind of a series. A Beatles related film here also '50 FT'.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-BEATLES-LET-IT-BE-DIG-A-PONY-1970-8mm-B-W-MOVIE-50-FT-/181849673845?hash=item2a5715d075

[LeeDempsey]

Yep, this was quasi-massed produced, and I believe a transfer from 16mm.  I've seen copies of this on eBay a few times over the years.  But I didn't know it was available as a 3" reel (50 ft) and a 5" reel (100 ft).
Lee

[Pretty Funky]

The Beatles tape is $29 buy it now so any reason the BB one is not worth about the same? The OP might be able to afford it after all.

[bgas]

The Beatles tape is $29 buy it now so any reason the BB one is not worth about the same? The OP might be able to afford it after all.

You mean other than the 5 years difference in age and the fact that the bidding on the BBs is at $87 right now?

[Pretty Funky]

The listing states the tape is 'From a Hollywood film lab from the 1970's' so it is only the show that is 5 years older. Of course it is worth what someone wants to pay but this does sound like a mass produced product rather than a rare find.

[bgas]

The listing states the tape is 'From a Hollywood film lab from the 1970's' so it is only the show that is 5 years older. Of course it is worth what someone wants to pay but this does sound like a mass produced product rather than a rare find.

Can't disagree that both WERE probably mass produced;  but how many of either one survives?
 in the broader sense, the lack of multiple copies appearing is what drives the collectibles marketplace

[Custom Machine]

The box says '50 FT' so that would be what, one song? Unplayed so unknown if it has sound I guess.

Yeah, 50 ft of regular 8 runs about 4 minutes.

[Custom Machine]

Interesting curio. Looks like it's not literally one of a kind; looks like these short 8mm films were sold in the back of teen magazines. Wouldn't be surprised if this was originally 16mm newsreel footage put onto 8mm film to be sold.

Yes, It's described as being silent and if you read the item, you can see it is from the old stock of a company that sold them in magazines.   
I have a similar one, maybe even the same, altho my box states 100 ft.  Plan is take it down to the camera shop and have it transferred to DVD, when the funds are right. 

       

Chris, what's the diameter of your film reel?

[?]

The listing states the tape is 'From a Hollywood film lab from the 1970's' so it is only the show that is 5 years older. Of course it is worth what someone wants to pay but this does sound like a mass produced product rather than a rare find.

Can't disagree that both WERE probably mass produced;  but how many of either one survives?
 in the broader sense, the lack of multiple copies appearing is what drives the collectibles marketplace

I can't imagine many are still around.  I used to post wanted lists on film collector forums for any Beach Boys footage and never got a single lead on anything.

[LeeDempsey]

The box says '50 FT' so that would be what, one song? Unplayed so unknown if it has sound I guess.

Yeah, 50 ft of regular 8 runs about 4 minutes.

That's correct.  The hub on that reel looks like Super 8 to me (wider hole in the center).  From Wikipedia:

Launched in 1965, Super 8 film comes in plastic light-proof cartridges containing coaxial supply and take-up spools loaded with 50 feet (15 m) of film, with 72 frames per foot, for a total of approximately 3,600 frames per film cartridge. This was enough film for 2.5 minutes at the professional motion picture standard of 24 frames per second, and for 3 minutes and 20 seconds of continuous filming at 18 frames per second (upgraded from Standard 8 mm's 16 frame/s) for amateur use.

Lee

[HeyJude]

The Beatles tape is $29 buy it now so any reason the BB one is not worth about the same? The OP might be able to afford it after all.

I think the value of something like this, versus a similar Beatles item, is difficult to quantify. There is more interest in Beatles material and memorabilia. However, I would guess more copies of a Beatles item would have been made and sold back then, so more would survive. Also, it’s much more likely that the footage on the film itself would exist and circulate from a better/original source among Beatles collectors. With the BB film, less copies of the 8mm reel are probably extant, and there are less hardcore video collectors that would have other access to the footage.

But I do think, given that it was a mass-produced item, the value would have more to do with its novelty as a memorabilia piece than it would have to do with the rarity of the footage itself.

One-of-a-kind 8mm home movies would be a different thing altogether.

[bgas]

I'm guessing there must be places on-line that do film transfers? 
went to my local camera shop today, and my thought is that while they have a price sheet for transfers, they really don't want to be bothered; $39 for a dvd, plus 12 cents a foot of film(except there's a $20 minimum), plus $6 to splice your film to a 400 foot reel for the transfer. However, if you don't want your film spliced to the 400 foot reel, then there's an additional $50 service charge.....
   Add their disclaimer, that should they mess up your film/lose it/destroy it, their only responsibility is to provide a blank, unprocessed replacement of the same length

  I think I'm happy knowing I have this film in a box

[LeeDempsey]

I have actually considered experimenting with doing my own telecine transfers... My Canon 7d Mk II camera has video capabilities, and you can adjust the frames per second at which it records.  I also have a projection unit that adjusts for the mis-shaping of the projected image (aka "keystoning") when you try to record video from a film source.  So, in theory, if I were to set up the Canon to record at 18 fps, and assuming that my combo 8mm/Super 8mm projector's speed is accurate, I should be able to do a flicker-less transfer.  Just not sure I have the time and patience to try it right now.

Lee

[bgas]

I have actually considered experimenting with doing my own telecine transfers... My Canon 7d Mk II camera has video capabilities, and you can adjust the frames per second at which it records.  I also have a projection unit that adjusts for the mis-shaping of the projected image (aka "keystoning") when you try to record video from a film source.  So, in theory, if I were to set up the Canon to record at 18 fps, and assuming that my 8mm projector's speed is accurate, I should be able to do a flicker-less transfer.  Just not sure I have the time and patience to try it right now.

Lee

C'mon over! ( I sure ain't mailing my copy)     OH!! maybe you're going to win the Ebay item?

[bgas]

The box says '50 FT' so that would be what, one song? Unplayed so unknown if it has sound I guess.

Yeah, 50 ft of regular 8 runs about 4 minutes.

That's correct.  The hub on that reel looks like Super 8 to me (wider hole in the center).  From Wikipedia:

Launched in 1965, Super 8 film comes in plastic light-proof cartridges containing coaxial supply and take-up spools loaded with 50 feet (15 m) of film, with 72 frames per foot, for a total of approximately 3,600 frames per film cartridge. This was enough film for 2.5 minutes at the professional motion picture standard of 24 frames per second, and for 3 minutes and 20 seconds of continuous filming at 18 frames per second (upgraded from Standard 8 mm's 16 frame/s) for amateur use.

Lee

Thing is, Super 8 came in a cassette; hence the description of a cartridge

[ontor pertawst]

Yeah, you can do a fairly OK job with a homemade transfer and it'll look about as good as most of these "transfers" you see advertised which tend to just use a camcorder and one of those cheesy mirror contraptions. At most you adjust the shutter speed if there's flicker.

Next step up is to go frame by frame with something like a Workprinter, then a proper pro job using a hideously expensive Rank Cintel machine which of course look gorgeous as hell when you do them right in HD or higher.

[LeeDempsey]

The box says '50 FT' so that would be what, one song? Unplayed so unknown if it has sound I guess.

Yeah, 50 ft of regular 8 runs about 4 minutes.

That's correct.  The hub on that reel looks like Super 8 to me (wider hole in the center).  From Wikipedia:

Launched in 1965, Super 8 film comes in plastic light-proof cartridges containing coaxial supply and take-up spools loaded with 50 feet (15 m) of film, with 72 frames per foot, for a total of approximately 3,600 frames per film cartridge. This was enough film for 2.5 minutes at the professional motion picture standard of 24 frames per second, and for 3 minutes and 20 seconds of continuous filming at 18 frames per second (upgraded from Standard 8 mm's 16 frame/s) for amateur use.

Lee

Thing is, Super 8 came in a cassette; hence the description of a cartridge

The cartridge refers to how the raw film is packaged and inserted in the camera; after it is developed it's on a reel just like 8mm, just with a bigger hole in the middle to indicate that it's Super 8mm.

Lee

[Alan Smith]

If you don't want to run this through a projector, you can pick up vintage hand driven viewers - which allow you to peruse the content while taking care with a fragile medium.

Similar to tape, not a bad idea to wind through occassionally, to reduce incidences of stickiness/etc.

[bgas]

The box says '50 FT' so that would be what, one song? Unplayed so unknown if it has sound I guess.

Yeah, 50 ft of regular 8 runs about 4 minutes.

That's correct.  The hub on that reel looks like Super 8 to me (wider hole in the center).  From Wikipedia:

Launched in 1965, Super 8 film comes in plastic light-proof cartridges containing coaxial supply and take-up spools loaded with 50 feet (15 m) of film, with 72 frames per foot, for a total of approximately 3,600 frames per film cartridge. This was enough film for 2.5 minutes at the professional motion picture standard of 24 frames per second, and for 3 minutes and 20 seconds of continuous filming at 18 frames per second (upgraded from Standard 8 mm's 16 frame/s) for amateur use.

Lee

Thing is, Super 8 came in a cassette; hence the description of a cartridge

The cartridge refers to how the raw film is packaged and inserted in the camera; after it is developed it's on a reel just like 8mm, just with a bigger hole in the middle to indicate that it's Super 8mm.

Lee

If you don't want to run this through a projector, you can pick up vintage hand driven viewers - which allow you to peruse the content while taking care with a fragile medium.

Similar to tape, not a bad idea to wind through occassionally, to reduce incidences of stickiness/etc.

Yeah, Makes sense. I don't know any more about film than what I read, so thanxx for the clarification

 I think Costco might do transfers locally; if so, I'm going  to do that. If not, it's  scary to think about trusting the mail to get a transfer done