Why do you hate Mike Love?

[Debbie KL]

You know, I'm going back to the original subject right now because I have a question.  I'm rather fascinated by the fact that anyone who objects to anything Mike does, or doesn't like some of his music is treated like a "Mike hater."  But those who attack Brian relentlessly, most often as some sort of misguided defense of Mike as it seems to appear, are never called "Brian haters." What's with that?

Granted, if you go to a concert with Mike's band, you're predominantly hearing Brian's music, so you must not hate his talents.  But some of you never give the man a break, even with that particular fact being part of the whole equation.

Please be so kind as to point me in the direction of anyone who hates Brian? I have been here for years and nobody treats Brian in the manner that Mike is treated. Not even close. Some of us do not think Brian saintly, as you do, but on the whole, we understand Brian's importance and understand the struggles he has endured. Personally, I don't know any of the guys enough to hate any of them. I don't think any of the bandmembers hate each other, either.

Ah, and I wasn't disappointed by the replies to this question.  Somehow my comment indicates that I think Brian is "saintly."  Yep, that's what I said, um, where exactly?

I have never read where you negatively criticized Brian since you joined here, yet you defend people who trash Mike. Nice move. When you first joined here, you thought I was criticizing Brian and you flew off the handle. It's the same reason why I don't like any of the bandmembers getting ripped in here. I just think that it is possible to criticize without the name calling.

I have no idea what you mean by my "flying off the handle" - please explain how I did this.  So if I have failed to "negatively criticize" Brian I think he's a saint?  Again, I don't understand.  There seems to be another standard for me somehow.  As far as name-calling, when did I ever do that?

[Mike's Beard]

Brian has said (paraphrasing) that his music comes from inside of him, a place in his soul/heart. His music is very personal, and when you compare his music to animal waste in an absolutely childish manner, you're attacking Brian in a way.

I disagree.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I'd love to see Mike's Beard call Brian's new album a "steaming pile of dogshit" to Brian's face. He wouldn't do it. Why? Because it's a completely crass thing to say.

It's also demonstrably untrue, at least to the unbiased mind (a rare entity in these parts currently). Not even close to Brian's worst album (are we all agreed that's GIOMH ? Thought so...) and nestled comfortably in the top half of Brian's canon. The obvious aside, there's nothing truly objectionable, and there are moments of pure, transcendent beauty.

On a wider canvas, I'd like to see anyone here repeat some of their posts in the presence of the target thereof.

Uh... actually, there'd probably be a long line to tell Thomas that his mixing sucks and his (over) use of auto tune verges on the pathological, and I'd be elbowing my way to the front with great determination. But you see my point.

[Debbie KL]

Show me one person on here who 'hates' Brian.

I knew I could count on you...the guy who said that Brian's fans only dislike SIP because Brian isn't on it.  

Nobody has made nastier comments about Brian than you, on a regular basis - please note the previous posts here pointing out what you've said.  Yet, apparently there's no one here who hates Brian, according to you.  So what makes you think that people who don't like something Mike said or recorded are Mike haters?  Please explain the difference?  That WAS my original question after all.

Yes I HATE the man who created some of my favourite music of all time. Because? Oh no! I thought Brian's latest album was rubbish! Boo hoo! Save some of those tears for when you watch Love & Mercy for the 80th time.
Let's compare;
Brian's latest album is a pile of sh*t.
Mike Love is a sleazy creep, a bald clown who is a laughing stock of the industry, a talentless piece of sh*t who's insanely jealous of his cousin and is making a mockery of The Beach Boys with his crappy 'bar band'.

Paraphrasing aside, you can't see the difference in those two statements?

Here we go again...I am an emotional female who gets my feelings hurt because you didn't like NPP, according to you.  Where do you come up with this stuff?  You are the guy who thinks that I don't like SIP because Brian isn't on it.  With that in mind, I think it's safe to say that your opinion on any piece of music isn't going to align with mine.  You pointed out that Brian probably doesn't care what you think of NPP.  I probably care even less.  The last time I cried over one of you posts was from laughter over that SIP comment.

[SMiLE Brian]

Debbie!!!!

[rab2591]

The last time I cried over one of you posts was from laughter over that SIP comment.

[Mike's Beard]

 
I weep at some of your posts Debs for entirely different reasons.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Brian has said (paraphrasing) that his music comes from inside of him, a place in his soul/heart. His music is very personal, and when you compare his music to animal waste in an absolutely childish manner, you're attacking Brian in a way.

I disagree.

I wouldn't say criticizing the album would be an attack. The one thing is, if someone *always* criticizes someone's output in a harsh manner to the point where it can be predicted ('yup, he hates it, what a shock'), well, that would explain a lot of the reactions.

Just my two cents.

[Pacific Ocean Blue]

No Pier Pressure is a great album, easy on the ears

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

The last time I cried over one of you posts was from laughter over that SIP comment.

 

[rab2591]

Brian has said (paraphrasing) that his music comes from inside of him, a place in his soul/heart. His music is very personal, and when you compare his music to animal waste in an absolutely childish manner, you're attacking Brian in a way.

I disagree.

I wouldn't say criticizing the album would be an attack. The one thing is, if someone *always* criticizes someone's output in a harsh manner to the point where it can be predicted ('yup, he hates it, what a shock'), well, that would explain a lot of the reactions.

Just my two cents.

Criticizing would indicate he actually took the menial effort to list the faults he found with the album (which he has done numerous times before). In this instance he straight up childishly called the album a steaming pile of dogshit in a thread that had nothing to do with No Pier Pressure. Again I'll say, I highly doubt Mike's Beard would have the gall to say it to Brian's face, and why? Because it would be an insult to Brian.

[SMiLE Brian]

I weep at some of your posts Debs for entirely different reasons.

Thanks so much for addressing this issue so thoroughly and competently GF.  What you are doing takes a lot more patience than most of us have (if not all of us).  You also display more guts and willingness to endure the predictable but annoying responses, somehow without getting sucked into the mire.  We appreciate your efforts.

Do you know what else is predictable but annoying? This

everytime your fingers hit the keyboard.

Mike's beard, didn't take long for you to attack Debbie again........

[Andrew G. Doe]

Maybe we shoudl change the title of this thread to "Why does everyone here hate everyone else?" I'm even beginning to hate myself and goshdarn it, I'm such a fucking great guy, y'know ?

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

Maybe we shoudl change the title of this thread to "Why does everyone here hate everyone else?" I'm even beginning to hate myself and goshdarn it, I'm such a fucking great guy, y'know ?

Maybe...In a way...everyone hates themselves. And the reason the Beach Boy music is all so powerful is because it makes us hate ourselves a little bit less. But each of us gets that relief from different tracks. And the fact that we argue and hate each other over those petty differences...instead of agreeing on the overall big picture of the fact that this music brought us together...maybe that really is mankind's folly, in a nutshell. Maybe we all take our anger and frustrations out on each other because as good as the music is, inevitably the needle will rise off the groove every time, and remind us that at the end of the day...we're all deeply and terribly miserable and alone.

[Mike's Beard]

Mike's beard, didn't take long for you to attack Debbie again........

Hmmmmm, I do believe she attacked me first. Just responding in kind.

[Debbie KL]

Mike's beard, didn't take long for you to attack Debbie again........

Hmmmmm, I do believe she attacked me first. Just responding in kind.

I didn't realize it was an attack - just a response.  Hopefully, I didn't make you cry.

[elnombre]

For f***'s sake... 

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Mike's beard, didn't take long for you to attack Debbie again........

Hmmmmm, I do believe she attacked me first. Just responding in kind.

Well...

Nobody has made nastier comments about Brian than you, on a regular basis - please note the previous posts here pointing out what you've said.  Yet, apparently there's no one here who hates Brian, according to you.  So what makes you think that people who don't like something Mike said or recorded are Mike haters?  Please explain the difference?  That WAS my original question after all.

That wasn't an attack, it was a question.

[drbeachboy]

Show me one person on here who 'hates' Brian.

I knew I could count on you...the guy who said that Brian's fans only dislike SIP because Brian isn't on it.  

Nobody has made nastier comments about Brian than you, on a regular basis - please note the previous posts here pointing out what you've said.  Yet, apparently there's no one here who hates Brian, according to you.  So what makes you think that people who don't like something Mike said or recorded are Mike haters?  Please explain the difference?  That WAS my original question after all.

Yes I HATE the man who created some of my favourite music of all time. Because? Oh no! I thought Brian's latest album was rubbish! Boo hoo! Save some of those tears for when you watch Love & Mercy for the 80th time.
Let's compare;
Brian's latest album is a pile of sh*t.
Mike Love is a sleazy creep, a bald clown who is a laughing stock of the industry, a talentless piece of sh*t who's insanely jealous of his cousin and is making a mockery of The Beach Boys with his crappy 'bar band'.

Paraphrasing aside, you can't see the difference in those two statements?

You called the new BW album a pile of sh*t, you said it sucked but you didn't buy it, but you point at others for bashing Mike? That sounds like hypocrisy to me and reeks of a Mike Love fanboy's argument.

Wait a minute here, am I misreading this? What does not liking the album have to do with personally bashing Brian? He may have used strong language against the album, but I read nothing that attacked Brian, personally.

I'd love to see Mike's Beard call Brian's new album a "steaming pile of dogshit" to Brian's face. He wouldn't do it. Why? Because it's a completely crass thing to say. It would have the potential to hurt Brian's feelings if said to his face...And if something has the potential to hurt someones feelings, it's an attack. And I'm sure, Mike's Beard, that Brian wouldn't lose sleep over it, but again, you'd never say that to his face because it's a dick thing to say...so why say it here?

Brian has said (paraphrasing) that his music comes from inside of him, a place in his soul/heart. His music is very personal, and when you compare his music to animal waste in an absolutely childish manner, you're attacking Brian in a way.

OK, then how much of what has been said here would you say to Mike Love's face? Come on, now. Seriously, we should all turn it down a notch. While I don't think any of Brian's solo music is terrible, in my opinion it is nowhere near his work from the 60's and 70's. And should Brian ever ask my opinion, I would say just that, respectfully, of course. I love this band. They have provided much joy in my life and as anyone who knows me will tell you, the Beach Boys are the first thing that they will associate with my name. These guys may be a bit dysfunctional, but god-dammit they are my dysfunctional band.

[Mike's Beard]

Mike's beard, didn't take long for you to attack Debbie again........

Hmmmmm, I do believe she attacked me first. Just responding in kind.

Well...

Nobody has made nastier comments about Brian than you, on a regular basis - please note the previous posts here pointing out what you've said.  Yet, apparently there's no one here who hates Brian, according to you.  So what makes you think that people who don't like something Mike said or recorded are Mike haters?  Please explain the difference?  That WAS my original question after all.

That wasn't an attack, it was a question.

That wasn't an attack? And I did answer her loaded question which she totally ignored.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Mike's beard, didn't take long for you to attack Debbie again........

Hmmmmm, I do believe she attacked me first. Just responding in kind.

Well...

Nobody has made nastier comments about Brian than you, on a regular basis - please note the previous posts here pointing out what you've said.  Yet, apparently there's no one here who hates Brian, according to you.  So what makes you think that people who don't like something Mike said or recorded are Mike haters?  Please explain the difference?  That WAS my original question after all.

That wasn't an attack, it was a question.

That wasn't an attack? And I did answer her loaded question which she totally ignored.

No, it wasn't an attack, it was a fact.* An attack would've been (and keep in mind this is a hypothetical, not me actually saying this ) 'you're a dumb fucking asshole who does nothing but attack Brian'.  Or calling those who don't share your opinions as 'hero worshipping fanboys (and girls)'.

[drbeachboy]

You know, I'm going back to the original subject right now because I have a question.  I'm rather fascinated by the fact that anyone who objects to anything Mike does, or doesn't like some of his music is treated like a "Mike hater."  But those who attack Brian relentlessly, most often as some sort of misguided defense of Mike as it seems to appear, are never called "Brian haters." What's with that?

Granted, if you go to a concert with Mike's band, you're predominantly hearing Brian's music, so you must not hate his talents.  But some of you never give the man a break, even with that particular fact being part of the whole equation.

Please be so kind as to point me in the direction of anyone who hates Brian? I have been here for years and nobody treats Brian in the manner that Mike is treated. Not even close. Some of us do not think Brian saintly, as you do, but on the whole, we understand Brian's importance and understand the struggles he has endured. Personally, I don't know any of the guys enough to hate any of them. I don't think any of the bandmembers hate each other, either.

Ah, and I wasn't disappointed by the replies to this question.  Somehow my comment indicates that I think Brian is "saintly."  Yep, that's what I said, um, where exactly?

I have never read where you negatively criticized Brian since you joined here, yet you defend people who trash Mike. Nice move. When you first joined here, you thought I was criticizing Brian and you flew off the handle. It's the same reason why I don't like any of the bandmembers getting ripped in here. I just think that it is possible to criticize without the name calling.

I have no idea what you mean by my "flying off the handle" - please explain how I did this.  So if I have failed to "negatively criticize" Brian I think he's a saint?  Again, I don't understand.  There seems to be another standard for me somehow.  As far as name-calling, when did I ever do that?

I didn't say that you name called, what I said is that you defended the Mike haters who named-called. Secondly, when you first posted on this board you misread something I posted. It was an example, a for instance, type of thing and you got all out of sorts over it. You ran right to the Mods over it. As for criticizing Brian, I have no example, as you have never done so, which was my initial point. And loving Brian like that is fine. I have no issues with that. Every person in the Beach Boys had their share of issues, which is fine to discuss here. I am only asking that we discuss it rationally and peacefully. A lot of this stuff happened decades ago, and there really is no need to get in each other's faces defending or disagreeing with it today. Nothing that is said in here can change what has already happened.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

A lot of this stuff happened decades ago, and there really is no need to get in each other's faces defending or disagreeing with it today. Nothing that is said in here can change what has already happened.

Very true.

I think we as members here have a bigger beef than any of the BB have ever had with each other, and that's rather sad.

[Mike's Beard]

Mike's beard, didn't take long for you to attack Debbie again........

Hmmmmm, I do believe she attacked me first. Just responding in kind.

Well...

Nobody has made nastier comments about Brian than you, on a regular basis - please note the previous posts here pointing out what you've said.  Yet, apparently there's no one here who hates Brian, according to you.  So what makes you think that people who don't like something Mike said or recorded are Mike haters?  Please explain the difference?  That WAS my original question after all.

That wasn't an attack, it was a question.

That wasn't an attack? And I did answer her loaded question which she totally ignored.

No, it wasn't an attack, it was a fact.* An attack would've been (and keep in mind this is a hypothetical, not me actually saying this ) 'you're a dumb fucking asshole who does nothing but attack Brian'.  Or calling those who don't share your opinions as 'hero worshipping fanboys (and girls).

If it's untrue, then it's an attack.
But please list all the nasty things I apparently regularly say about Brian.

[Smilin Ed H]

A lot of this stuff happened decades ago, and there really is no need to get in each other's faces defending or disagreeing with it today. Nothing that is said in here can change what has already happened.

Very true.

I think we as members here have a bigger beef than any of the BB have ever had with each other, and that's rather sad.

Can't you close it? They can email each other all their fantasies and leave the rest of us out of it.