Still Cruisin' and Summer In Paradise rerelease?

[CenturyDeprived]

Also, this:

I also have to question why some middle-aged guy who lives in Nowheresville, USA is so incredibly obsessed with standing up for Mike Love, someone he's likely never met, and likely has next to nothing in common with.

Excellent question, but let's modify it a little:

"I also have to question why some middle-aged guy who lives in Nowheresville, USA is so incredibly obsessed with vilifying Mike Love, someone he's likely never met, and likely has next to nothing in common with."

Equally excellent question, no ?

I have no interest in vilifying Mike Love though Andrew. And I think you'd know this. My beef is with a poster on here who is incapable of admitting the man has ever done wrong. I personally find Mike extremely interesting and I'm super excited for his book. And his solo album, if it happens. Though I'm extremely doubtful.

I mean, if there's a poster around here saying that because "Song A" (let's say "Kokomo") sold more than "Song B" (let's say "This Whole World), that makes it a better song, I'm gonna challenge said poster on that assertion. And when said poster doesn't have the guts to hold his equation to it's logical conclusion (like, for instance the "Macarena" with four million sold, is four times the song "Kokomo" is, with one million sold), it seems like he's either just bullshitting us all, or likes to twist things to always glorify Doctor Love. So really, the fact that any of this is even about Mike Love is wrong. It's to stop these people on this board from peddling bullshit. I mean, it's obvious that you've come to see things more from Mike's perspective lately due to access, but you still wouldn't make asinine statements that would say 15 Big Ones is better than Sunflower simply because it sold more copies. You wouldn't say stuff like TWGMTR and "Summer's Gone" is Brian Wilson and Joe Thomas *pretending* to be The Beach Boys, while defending Summer In Paradise.

And somebody will jump in and say, but...but...but..."OldSurferDude is mean to Mike!" And to that I'd say, why yes he is. But he almost comes off as cartoonish in his Doctor Love insults. Whereas Cameron Mott is actually trying to rewrite history with Mike Love as the John Lennon to Brian's Paul McCartney (or vice versa). And instead of having that sh*t peddled I think we'd be much better served without absolute crap being peddled like that.

This, times several hundred thousand.

[SMiLE Brian]

I feel like the anti-BW act here is the testing ground for Mike Love's history rewrite. Which will be released in the form of the Mike Love autobiography.

[Douchepool]

Well, what do you consider pro-Michael extremism? Give us something to go by.

An inability to conceive to say a bad thing about him except that he wrote Wrinkles, or something similarly lightweight/ innocuous. 

As someone who admittedly defends Michael more than most, I'm not crazy enough to deny that he's made more mistakes than that. More notable and far-reaching mistakes at that.

[Douchepool]

I feel like the anti-BW act here is the testing ground for Mike Love's history rewrite. Which will be released in the form of the Mike Love autobiography.

You don't mess with the Doctor of Love.

[SMiLE Brian]

Brian Wilson will make him sing falsetto.

[Douchepool]

Brian Wilson will make him sing falsetto.

That was back in the days when band members used to kick each other in the balls, though.

[CenturyDeprived]

Well, what do you consider pro-Michael extremism? Give us something to go by.

An inability to conceive to say a bad thing about him except that he wrote Wrinkles, or something similarly lightweight/ innocuous. 

As someone who admittedly defends Michael more than most, I'm not crazy enough to deny that he's made more mistakes than that. More notable and far-reaching mistakes at that.

Which is why you have my respect, good sir.

[SMiLE Brian]

Until Bruce started pistol-whipping in 68

[Douchepool]

Until Bruce started pistol-whipping in 68

It was historical, surf dawg. You don't even know.

[Douchepool]

Which is why you have my respect, good sir.

Thanks, but I guess I just don't see the rabid pro-Michael bias you claim exists on here. Cam may go to some extremes but that's Cam; I've been talking to him on here for years. He has his reasons that only he knows.

[SMiLE Brian]

Until Bruce started pistol-whipping in 68

It was historical, surf dawg. You don't even know.

Bruce lives it every damn day!

[Douchepool]

Bruce lives it every damn day!

Hey, if you're gonna be historical you gotta learn from the master.

[SMiLE Brian]

Yeah, you are merely "real"

[Nicko1234]

We are both stubborn SOBs (not an insult; I'm throwing myself in with that label too), and of course fans of this band. The big difference being that one is making futile moves to try to rewrite history, and one isn't.

Well, Cam`s position is always to consider Mike in a positive light and obviously he is wrong a fair amount of the time. Your position, when you are posting your frequent speculations about the band, is always to paint Mike in a negative light. Different sides of the same coin.

Now all of us, myself included, post nonsense at times and I certainly don`t agree with everything that I have posted over the years. But when you post your suppositions the one thing that they have in common is always to see Mike in the worst possible light:-

-   Mike is paying people on this board to post.
-   Mike forced Al to say “One final time” during the C50 so that he might use it for legal reasons later.
-   Mike was the sole cause of VDP not being involved with the release of The Smile Sessions.
-   Mike included a reference to Helter Skelter on LBWL (even though he didn`t write it) as a dig at Dennis.
-   Mike should have given complete control of The Beach Boys name to Brian and his management in 2012 and have been willing to go out under his own        name.
-   NPP took so long to complete because Mike hurt Brian`s feelings.
-   Mike wanted to issue Santa Goes to Kokomo under The Beach Boys name.
-   Mike using videos of Carl and Dennis is exploitation.
-   Mike is emotionally ill.

Now, let`s face it, if even half these things were posted about certain other band members we would have cries of “agenda” or “fight back” across the board.

[Douchepool]

Yeah, you are merely "real"

I am real, but Bruce is real historical and sh*t. Like I said, you don't even know, surf dizzawg.

[SMiLE Brian]

Bruce killed a man in Iowa in 1995 for sleeping during Kokomo.

[CenturyDeprived]

We are both stubborn SOBs (not an insult; I'm throwing myself in with that label too), and of course fans of this band. The big difference being that one is making futile moves to try to rewrite history, and one isn't.

Well, Cam`s position is always to consider Mike in a positive light and obviously he is wrong a fair amount of the time. Your position, when you are posting your frequent speculations about the band, is always to paint Mike in a negative light. Different sides of the same coin.

Now all of us, myself included, post nonsense at times and I certainly don`t agree with everything that I have posted over the years. But when you post your suppositions the one thing that they have in common is always to see Mike in the worst possible light:-

-   Mike is paying people on this board to post.
-   Mike forced Al to say “One final time” during the C50 so that he might use it for legal reasons later.
-   Mike was the sole cause of VDP not being involved with the release of The Smile Sessions.
-   Mike included a reference to Helter Skelter on LBWL (even though he didn`t write it) as a dig at Dennis.
-   Mike should have given complete control of The Beach Boys name to Brian and his management in 2012 and have been willing to go out under his own        name.
-   NPP took so long to complete because Mike hurt Brian`s feelings.
-   Mike wanted to issue Santa Goes to Kokomo under The Beach Boys name.
-   Mike using videos of Carl and Dennis is exploitation.
-   Mike is emotionally ill.

Now, let`s face it, if even half these things were posted about certain other band members we would have cries of “agenda” or “fight back” across the board.

I'll at least state that my opinions are hypotheses, and not necessarily outright truths, and I'm happy to be proven wrong, as I have been about matters relating to Mike and other band members in the past (and I've happily admitted to such). I hope you don't doubt that, because it's absolutely the truth. I also have a good deal of empathy for the man, whether I've made that clear enough or not.

And if Cam, for example, as you say, is obviously wrong a fair amount of the time, I sure don't see people who typically defend Mike on this board (and who should know better) chiming in and letting him know that he is wrong. 

[CenturyDeprived]

Bruce killed a man in Iowa in 1995 for sleeping during Kokomo.

Can't. Stop. Laughing. 

[Douchepool]

Bruce killed a man in Iowa in 1995 for sleeping during Kokomo.

When Bruce claps it reverberates throughout the entire universe. Even Chuck Norris can't beat that.

[SMiLE Brian]

His keyboard contains keys to launch missiles at the nearest faraway place.

[Douchepool]

Bruce Johnston facts need to become a thing here.

[SMiLE Brian]

Start the thread!

[Cam Mott]

I give reasons, you give reasons, you think I'm full of sh*t, I think you're full of sh*t. Why not just leave it there, agree to disagree. Why not just say our piece without all the personalized accusations, insinuations, name calling, even libel? Unless that is OK on this board.

[Cam Mott]

I've been talking to him on here for years. He has his reasons that only he knows.

I would tell you but my checks from Mike might stop if they ever start.

[CenturyDeprived]

I give reasons, you give reasons, you think I'm full of sh*t, I think you're full of sh*t. Why not just leave it there, agree to disagree. Why not just say our peace without all the personalized accusations, insinuations, name calling, even libel. Unless that is OK on this board.

I never meant to let things get to name calling, and if I ever went too far in that, I am sorry.