Whennn was the last time Mike got to write with Brian alone in a room?

[CenturyDeprived]

Mike and his damn room. Let him go into a room with Bruce. I'm sure we'll get some great new hits.

I don't know why the "mythic" room should be considered to be anything but Brian's room. He wrote a song about it! It's Brian's choice who gets to enter the room.

I think Mike basically means Brian's office in Hollywood where they wrote Warmth Of The Sun ......... An office, which we can all assume, is long gone .....

Sad. This whole thing.

It is sad. I just listened to "Isn't it Time" (single version), and  had a realization that it is probably the last song those guys will have entered the studio for together.  Does anyone know when/where the single version overdubs were recorded?  

And dammit, it's great to hear Mike and Brian on that track together. And all the guys of course. Mike could've had what he wanted, or at least a situation that would have evolved into something that he would have been a decent compromise, I'm sure.  It would've taken some time, maybe a few albums, but could never be achieved with pushy demands or ultimatums. Damn ego. Ugh.  If he doesn't think he has ego issues, I would honestly like to know if there is another human in another rock band that Mike Love thinks has a big ego, and if he could name an example of someone else's ego messing up another band. Are rock stars with big egos even capable of recognizing it as a problem afflicting other bands?

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

Mike and his damn room. Let him go into a room with Bruce. I'm sure we'll get some great new hits.

I don't know why the "mythic" room should be considered to be anything but Brian's room. He wrote a song about it! It's Brian's choice who gets to enter the room.

I think Mike basically means Brian's office in Hollywood where they wrote Warmth Of The Sun ......... An office, which we can all assume, is long gone .....

Sad. This whole thing.

It is sad. I just listened to "Isn't it Time" (single version), and  had a realization that it is probably the last song those guys will have entered the studio for together.  Does anyone know when/where the single version overdubs were recorded?  

And dammit, it's great to hear Mike and Brian on that track together. And all the guys of course. Mike could've had what he wanted, or at least a situation that would have evolved into something that he would have been a decent compromise, I'm sure.  It would've taken some time, maybe a few albums, but could never be achieved with pushy demands or ultimatums. Damn ego. Ugh.  If he doesn't think he has ego issues, I would honestly like to know if there is another human in another rock band that Mike Love thinks has a big ego, and if he could name an example of someone else's ego messing up another band. Are rock stars with big egos even capable of recognizing it as a problem afflicting other bands?

What is more confusing is exactly how and why myKe luHv created this ego situation for himself in the first place. There is absolutely nothing he's done that would make him believe he's anyone special. He was in a group. Big deal, so what and who cares? So were quite a few other people and sure, there were egos involved but myKe luHv? I don't get it in the least but I am extremely happy that Brian's done (for now) with this head case. Here's hoping they never hook up again in any way shape or form.

[CenturyDeprived]

Mike and his damn room. Let him go into a room with Bruce. I'm sure we'll get some great new hits.

I don't know why the "mythic" room should be considered to be anything but Brian's room. He wrote a song about it! It's Brian's choice who gets to enter the room.

I think Mike basically means Brian's office in Hollywood where they wrote Warmth Of The Sun ......... An office, which we can all assume, is long gone .....

Sad. This whole thing.

It is sad. I just listened to "Isn't it Time" (single version), and  had a realization that it is probably the last song those guys will have entered the studio for together.  Does anyone know when/where the single version overdubs were recorded?  

And dammit, it's great to hear Mike and Brian on that track together. And all the guys of course. Mike could've had what he wanted, or at least a situation that would have evolved into something that he would have been a decent compromise, I'm sure.  It would've taken some time, maybe a few albums, but could never be achieved with pushy demands or ultimatums. Damn ego. Ugh.  If he doesn't think he has ego issues, I would honestly like to know if there is another human in another rock band that Mike Love thinks has a big ego, and if he could name an example of someone else's ego messing up another band. Are rock stars with big egos even capable of recognizing it as a problem afflicting other bands?

What is more confusing is exactly how and why myKe luHv created this ego situation for himself in the first place. There is absolutely nothing he's done that would make him believe he's anyone special. He was in a group. Big deal, so what and who cares? So were quite a few other people and sure, there were egos involved but myKe luHv? I don't get it in the least but I am extremely happy that Brian's done (for now) with this head case. Here's hoping they never hook up again in any way shape or form.

I share many of your issues with Mike's behavior, but I'll say that I can understand (if not still think it's lame) that someone could get a big head from seeing the tourism industry in California and the California myth itself affected in part by his contributions and themes that he and Brian (not to mention Denny) helped create. He did make a difference and I won't take that away from him, nor should anyone, even if his behavior can be unconscionable at times.

But does he think he has ego issues? Was this even discussed at the group therapy sessions? Did he privately scoff and eye roll when Denny said they were all Brian's messengers? I almost feel like Denny specifically said that comment to deflate Mike; maybe I'm wrong.

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

He couldn't wrap his arms around anyone telling him he has a big ego. One needs some sense of humility going on, so no, he most likely has never come to terms with anything indicative of fault. He can't and will not come to terms with the fact that he's not and never will be as respected as Brian Wilson. He'll go to his grave scratching his dome about that. He doesn't get it-he can only think of himself in his warped mind that HE is the Beach Boys. It's pathetic and quite honestly, he needs to be severely humbled by some person, place or thing.

[CenturyDeprived]

He couldn't wrap his arms around anyone telling him he has a big ego. One needs some sense of humility going on, so no, he most likely has never come to terms with anything indicative of fault. He can't and will not come to terms with the fact that he's not and never will be as respected as Brian Wilson. He'll go to his grave scratching his dome about that. He doesn't get it-he can only think of himself in his warped mind that HE is the Beach Boys. It's pathetic and quite honestly, he needs to be severely humbled by some person, place or thing.

But that's the thing I always wonder. Do people with way big egos think that others have big egos, just not themselves? Or is the concept of anyone having too big or too destructive an ego something that doesn't exist on the planet whatsoever? I don't get it and never will.

[Bruces Shorts]

But look, guys: it had to end sometime ......

But look at what we were gifted in 2015! Much more than what was even originally planned ....

I honestly thought some travesty would happen not even five shows in, but just look what we got!

What else would we have ended up with other than what we have: the licensed/Mike & Bruce "Beach Boys" touring and Brian doing his solo thing with Al and whoever else?

As things stand means everyone involved is healthy and working. This is good. Would we rather someone had died in the middle of the C50 tour or that it was Brian who decided when it was over? ..... Even if others in the band wanted it to continue? ... As it ended might be a sour note, but it's a reality that was going to come one way or another.

With Carl gone things will be messy, and that's just how it is :/

[Mike's Beard]

As things stand means everyone involved is healthy and working. This is good. Would we rather someone had died in the middle of the C50 tour or that it was Brian who decided when it was over? ..... Even if others in the band wanted it to continue? ... As it ended might be a sour note, but it's a reality that was going to come one way or another.

Funny thing is, if it had been BRIAN who had called time on the whole thing (even if everyone else wanted to continue) the same people who tear Mike a new one for bowing out would be defending Brian's decision to the hilt.

[the professor]

Oh, Bruce's Shorts, I appreciate the spunky energy you apply to the situation, but it's no consolation. . . . . .the BB are broken up, and nothing short of a triumphant artistic reunion, healing wounds and facing the final future together in harmony and beauty means anything to me. This does not mean i don't cherish NPP--love it--but it means that only a total reunion completes the mythic longing that nags me ceaselessly.

But look, guys: it had to end sometime ......

But look at what we were gifted in 2015! Much more than what was even originally planned ....

I honestly thought some travesty would happen not even five shows in, but just look what we got!

What else would we have ended up with other than what we have: the licensed/Mike & Bruce "Beach Boys" touring and Brian doing his solo thing with Al and whoever else?

As things stand means everyone involved is healthy and working. This is good. Would we rather someone had died in the middle of the C50 tour or that it was Brian who decided when it was over? ..... Even if others in the band wanted it to continue? ... As it ended might be a sour note, but it's a reality that was going to come one way or another.

With Carl gone things will be messy, and that's just how it is :/

[Bruces Shorts]

As things stand means everyone involved is healthy and working. This is good. Would we rather someone had died in the middle of the C50 tour or that it was Brian who decided when it was over? ..... Even if others in the band wanted it to continue? ... As it ended might be a sour note, but it's a reality that was going to come one way or another.

Funny thing is, if it had been BRIAN who had called time on the whole thing (even if everyone else wanted to continue) the same people who tear Mike a new one for bowing out would be defending Brian's decision to the hilt.

Perhaps, but we should admit it would have stung a lot less, since Brian wouldn't have immediately gone out with just David Marks to tour the Seaworlds and Nutty Jerry's of the universe as "The Beach Boys" .....

But if we're upset mainly for the fact that it ended at all: well, no matter how it ended, we'd still be where we are now.

[Wirestone]

As things stand means everyone involved is healthy and working. This is good. Would we rather someone had died in the middle of the C50 tour or that it was Brian who decided when it was over? ..... Even if others in the band wanted it to continue? ... As it ended might be a sour note, but it's a reality that was going to come one way or another.

Funny thing is, if it had been BRIAN who had called time on the whole thing (even if everyone else wanted to continue) the same people who tear Mike a new one for bowing out would be defending Brian's decision to the hilt.

This has been said before.

But it makes no sense, because Brian doesn't -- and never has -- toured as the Beach Boys.

It's not a small distinction. It's the entire point of the thing.

I don't think anyone would begrudge Mike if he wanted to tour and perform BB music under his own name, as Brian has. But after the C50 shows, Mike's willingness to return to the M&B format -- and bill it as the Beach Boys -- was appalling.

[filledeplage]

As things stand means everyone involved is healthy and working. This is good. Would we rather someone had died in the middle of the C50 tour or that it was Brian who decided when it was over? ..... Even if others in the band wanted it to continue? ... As it ended might be a sour note, but it's a reality that was going to come one way or another.

Funny thing is, if it had been BRIAN who had called time on the whole thing (even if everyone else wanted to continue) the same people who tear Mike a new one for bowing out would be defending Brian's decision to the hilt.

This has been said before.

But it makes no sense, because Brian doesn't -- and never has -- toured as the Beach Boys.

It's not a small distinction. It's the entire point of the thing.

I don't think anyone would begrudge Mike if he wanted to tour and perform BB music under his own name, as Brian has. But after the C50 shows, Mike's willingness to return to the M&B format -- and bill it as the Beach Boys -- was appalling.

Wirestone - maybe I don't understand what you wrote, but each singular band performs Beach Boys' music.  It just can't be billed as "BB's," except for the Touring Band.  People would be very disappointed if Brian or Al didn't play BB music.  They expect exactly that, alongside whatever "themed" music is performed.

[HeyJude]

As things stand means everyone involved is healthy and working. This is good. Would we rather someone had died in the middle of the C50 tour or that it was Brian who decided when it was over? ..... Even if others in the band wanted it to continue? ... As it ended might be a sour note, but it's a reality that was going to come one way or another.

Funny thing is, if it had been BRIAN who had called time on the whole thing (even if everyone else wanted to continue) the same people who tear Mike a new one for bowing out would be defending Brian's decision to the hilt.

This has been said before.

But it makes no sense, because Brian doesn't -- and never has -- toured as the Beach Boys.

It's not a small distinction. It's the entire point of the thing.

I don't think anyone would begrudge Mike if he wanted to tour and perform BB music under his own name, as Brian has. But after the C50 shows, Mike's willingness to return to the M&B format -- and bill it as the Beach Boys -- was appalling.

Wirestone - maybe I don't understand what you wrote, but each singular band performs Beach Boys' music.  It just can't be billed as "BB's," except for the Touring Band.  People would be very disappointed if Brian or Al didn't play BB music.  They expect exactly that, alongside whatever "themed" music is performed.

It appears you don't understand what Wirestone wrote. His point was crystal clear. It IS about the *use* of the name. THAT is the issue. THAT issue, the issue to *choose* to use that name, has NOTHING to do with Brian or Al or anybody else. The point is that there is a *different standard*, in the opinion of many fans, that Mike has to be held to specifically because he uses the "Beach Boys" name.

I don't think anybody actually could possibly not understand or misinterpret what Wirestone wrote. The issue of using the BB name has been discussed now for literally DECADES online.

It is specifically because Mike immediately resumed use of the *exact same band name* as that used by C50 (and don't even start on the "it was billed different as an anniversary tour" stuff, it's the *exact same name*) that opened him up to most of the criticism. That issue, and that issue alone, is the reason why the BB reunion splitting up is not like almost every other band story about splitting up and everybody "doing their own thing." When bands do that, they usually go solo, or do other bands. Mike did not do this.

It is *this* issue that Wirestone was speaking to. The allegations that people wouldn't be criticizing Brian if Brian had chosen to end the reunion are largely irrelevant, because he would always go back to touring and recording under his own name. I personally would still be bummed and criticize Brian if he was the sole reason a reunion didn't continue. But it certainly would be far less of a kick in the nuts to fans to break up the reunion but at least have the artistic integrity to tour under one's own name as a result.

[SMiLE Brian]

Mike ditched everybody else and went back to touring the name with his solo group.  Mike is too much of a coward to ever tour under his own name and must use the BBs brand name for his group. What is hard to understand about that?

[Jim V.]

As things stand means everyone involved is healthy and working. This is good. Would we rather someone had died in the middle of the C50 tour or that it was Brian who decided when it was over? ..... Even if others in the band wanted it to continue? ... As it ended might be a sour note, but it's a reality that was going to come one way or another.

Funny thing is, if it had been BRIAN who had called time on the whole thing (even if everyone else wanted to continue) the same people who tear Mike a new one for bowing out would be defending Brian's decision to the hilt.

This has been said before.

But it makes no sense, because Brian doesn't -- and never has -- toured as the Beach Boys.

It's not a small distinction. It's the entire point of the thing.

I don't think anyone would begrudge Mike if he wanted to tour and perform BB music under his own name, as Brian has. But after the C50 shows, Mike's willingness to return to the M&B format -- and bill it as the Beach Boys -- was appalling.

Wirestone - maybe I don't understand what you wrote, but each singular band performs Beach Boys' music.  It just can't be billed as "BB's," except for the Touring Band.  People would be very disappointed if Brian or Al didn't play BB music.  They expect exactly that, alongside whatever "themed" music is performed.

I'm not Wirestone, but here it is filledleplage. The thing is, if Brian was the one who broke up the reunion, he couldn't go back to his solo career and call it "The Beach Boys", so it's different.

On the other hand, you have Mike Love who didn't want to work with the true BEACH BOYS anymore, but decided he wanted to go back out on the road with only one other Beach Boy (and a replacement member at that) and ignored the call of the other members to stay together.

So simply put so you can understand it, Mike basically quit THE BEACH BOYS and in turn, got to keep touring as The Beach Boys, basically losing nothing. Whereas if Brian had pulled the plug on the reunion, he wouldn't have been able to go out there with Al, Darian and Probyn and whoever and call himself "The Beach Boys." So right there is the difference.

And just to finish, I have no fuckin' clue what your post even meant, as regarding the music that each Beach Boys-related band plays? Wirestone wasn't even talking about that. So what on earth did that reply have to do with his post?

[Cam Mott]

I wonder what people think was going to happen since they did not bother to make a decision about post C50?

Were they all going to just show up at the remainder of the 2012 shows that had been booked? Would the venue/promoters just been expected to pay C50 rates and add onto their stage if necessary? Would they just have done the shows for the previously agreed rate and take a loss. Were the contracts to be cancelled?

Whatever would be done, wouldn't it have taken a meeting to discuss what would be done post C50, which is what they knew they needed to do but didn't do which left post C50 to not happen because that decision didn't happen.
  

[filledeplage]

As things stand means everyone involved is healthy and working. This is good. Would we rather someone had died in the middle of the C50 tour or that it was Brian who decided when it was over? ..... Even if others in the band wanted it to continue? ... As it ended might be a sour note, but it's a reality that was going to come one way or another.

Funny thing is, if it had been BRIAN who had called time on the whole thing (even if everyone else wanted to continue) the same people who tear Mike a new one for bowing out would be defending Brian's decision to the hilt.

This has been said before.

But it makes no sense, because Brian doesn't -- and never has -- toured as the Beach Boys.

It's not a small distinction. It's the entire point of the thing.

I don't think anyone would begrudge Mike if he wanted to tour and perform BB music under his own name, as Brian has. But after the C50 shows, Mike's willingness to return to the M&B format -- and bill it as the Beach Boys -- was appalling.

Wirestone - maybe I don't understand what you wrote, but each singular band performs Beach Boys' music.  It just can't be billed as "BB's," except for the Touring Band.  People would be very disappointed if Brian or Al didn't play BB music.  They expect exactly that, alongside whatever "themed" music is performed.

It appears you don't understand what Wirestone wrote. His point was crystal clear. It IS about the *use* of the name. THAT is the issue. THAT issue, the issue to *choose* to use that name, has NOTHING to do with Brian or Al or anybody else. The point is that there is a *different standard*, in the opinion of many fans, that Mike has to be held to specifically because he uses the "Beach Boys" name.

I don't think anybody actually could possibly not understand or misinterpret what Wirestone wrote. The issue of using the BB name has been discussed now for literally DECADES online.

It is specifically because Mike immediately resumed use of the *exact same band name* as that used by C50 (and don't even start on the "it was billed different as an anniversary tour" stuff, it's the *exact same name*) that opened him up to most of the criticism. That issue, and that issue alone, is the reason why the BB reunion splitting up is not like almost every other band story about splitting up and everybody "doing their own thing." When bands do that, they usually go solo, or do other bands. Mike did not do this.

It is *this* issue that Wirestone was speaking to. The allegations that people wouldn't be criticizing Brian if Brian had chosen to end the reunion are largely irrelevant, because he would always go back to touring and recording under his own name. I personally would still be bummed and criticize Brian if he was the sole reason a reunion didn't continue. But it certainly would be far less of a kick in the nuts to fans to break up the reunion but at least have the artistic integrity to tour under one's own name as a result.

No - Hey Jude - as I understand it is "status quo ante." Going back to the previous positions, post "event." 

Very simple. No blame game. No value judgments.   

[Cam Mott]

As things stand means everyone involved is healthy and working. This is good. Would we rather someone had died in the middle of the C50 tour or that it was Brian who decided when it was over? ..... Even if others in the band wanted it to continue? ... As it ended might be a sour note, but it's a reality that was going to come one way or another.

Funny thing is, if it had been BRIAN who had called time on the whole thing (even if everyone else wanted to continue) the same people who tear Mike a new one for bowing out would be defending Brian's decision to the hilt.

This has been said before.

But it makes no sense, because Brian doesn't -- and never has -- toured as the Beach Boys.

It's not a small distinction. It's the entire point of the thing.

I don't think anyone would begrudge Mike if he wanted to tour and perform BB music under his own name, as Brian has. But after the C50 shows, Mike's willingness to return to the M&B format -- and bill it as the Beach Boys -- was appalling.

It would have still brought C50 to an end lieu of a post C50 agreement.

[HeyJude]

As things stand means everyone involved is healthy and working. This is good. Would we rather someone had died in the middle of the C50 tour or that it was Brian who decided when it was over? ..... Even if others in the band wanted it to continue? ... As it ended might be a sour note, but it's a reality that was going to come one way or another.

Funny thing is, if it had been BRIAN who had called time on the whole thing (even if everyone else wanted to continue) the same people who tear Mike a new one for bowing out would be defending Brian's decision to the hilt.

This has been said before.

But it makes no sense, because Brian doesn't -- and never has -- toured as the Beach Boys.

It's not a small distinction. It's the entire point of the thing.

I don't think anyone would begrudge Mike if he wanted to tour and perform BB music under his own name, as Brian has. But after the C50 shows, Mike's willingness to return to the M&B format -- and bill it as the Beach Boys -- was appalling.

Wirestone - maybe I don't understand what you wrote, but each singular band performs Beach Boys' music.  It just can't be billed as "BB's," except for the Touring Band.  People would be very disappointed if Brian or Al didn't play BB music.  They expect exactly that, alongside whatever "themed" music is performed.

It appears you don't understand what Wirestone wrote. His point was crystal clear. It IS about the *use* of the name. THAT is the issue. THAT issue, the issue to *choose* to use that name, has NOTHING to do with Brian or Al or anybody else. The point is that there is a *different standard*, in the opinion of many fans, that Mike has to be held to specifically because he uses the "Beach Boys" name.

I don't think anybody actually could possibly not understand or misinterpret what Wirestone wrote. The issue of using the BB name has been discussed now for literally DECADES online.

It is specifically because Mike immediately resumed use of the *exact same band name* as that used by C50 (and don't even start on the "it was billed different as an anniversary tour" stuff, it's the *exact same name*) that opened him up to most of the criticism. That issue, and that issue alone, is the reason why the BB reunion splitting up is not like almost every other band story about splitting up and everybody "doing their own thing." When bands do that, they usually go solo, or do other bands. Mike did not do this.

It is *this* issue that Wirestone was speaking to. The allegations that people wouldn't be criticizing Brian if Brian had chosen to end the reunion are largely irrelevant, because he would always go back to touring and recording under his own name. I personally would still be bummed and criticize Brian if he was the sole reason a reunion didn't continue. But it certainly would be far less of a kick in the nuts to fans to break up the reunion but at least have the artistic integrity to tour under one's own name as a result.

No - Hey Jude - as I understand it is "status quo ante." Going back to the previous positions, post "event." 

Very simple. No blame game. No value judgments.   

And the inability on the part of a few fans and, apparently Mike, to see that a) C50 changed things and b) going back to the “status quo” does not exempt one from looking like a d**k, is what continues to perplex many.

I think it was Howie Edelson who used the analogy of adopting a kid and then taking him back to the orphanage after a year. Telling the kid “hey, suck it up, status quo ante” doesn’t really address the underlying objectionable action.

It is perhaps inadvertently telling that the term “status quo ante” is also known as “status quo ante bellum”, which refers to “"the state existing before the war". Did Mike view C50 as some sort of “war” that needed to be ended?

[SMiLE Brian]

As things stand means everyone involved is healthy and working. This is good. Would we rather someone had died in the middle of the C50 tour or that it was Brian who decided when it was over? ..... Even if others in the band wanted it to continue? ... As it ended might be a sour note, but it's a reality that was going to come one way or another.

Funny thing is, if it had been BRIAN who had called time on the whole thing (even if everyone else wanted to continue) the same people who tear Mike a new one for bowing out would be defending Brian's decision to the hilt.

Perhaps, but we should admit it would have stung a lot less, since Brian wouldn't have immediately gone out with just David Marks to tour the Seaworlds and Nutty Jerry's of the universe as "The Beach Boys" .....

But if we're upset mainly for the fact that it ended at all: well, no matter how it ended, we'd still be where we are now.

Keep going Pinder, someday you will convince somebody.....

[filledeplage]

As things stand means everyone involved is healthy and working. This is good. Would we rather someone had died in the middle of the C50 tour or that it was Brian who decided when it was over? ..... Even if others in the band wanted it to continue? ... As it ended might be a sour note, but it's a reality that was going to come one way or another.

Funny thing is, if it had been BRIAN who had called time on the whole thing (even if everyone else wanted to continue) the same people who tear Mike a new one for bowing out would be defending Brian's decision to the hilt.

This has been said before.

But it makes no sense, because Brian doesn't -- and never has -- toured as the Beach Boys.

It's not a small distinction. It's the entire point of the thing.

I don't think anyone would begrudge Mike if he wanted to tour and perform BB music under his own name, as Brian has. But after the C50 shows, Mike's willingness to return to the M&B format -- and bill it as the Beach Boys -- was appalling.

Wirestone - maybe I don't understand what you wrote, but each singular band performs Beach Boys' music.  It just can't be billed as "BB's," except for the Touring Band.  People would be very disappointed if Brian or Al didn't play BB music.  They expect exactly that, alongside whatever "themed" music is performed.

I'm not Wirestone, but here it is filledleplage. The thing is, if Brian was the one who broke up the reunion, he couldn't go back to his solo career and call it "The Beach Boys", so it's different.

On the other hand, you have Mike Love who didn't want to work with the true BEACH BOYS anymore, but decided he wanted to go back out on the road with only one other Beach Boy (and a replacement member at that) and ignored the call of the other members to stay together.

So simply put so you can understand it, Mike basically quit THE BEACH BOYS and in turn, got to keep touring as The Beach Boys, basically losing nothing. Whereas if Brian had pulled the plug on the reunion, he wouldn't have been able to go out there with Al, Darian and Probyn and whoever and call himself "The Beach Boys." So right there is the difference.

And just to finish, I have no fuckin' clue what your post even meant, as regarding the music that each Beach Boys-related band plays? Wirestone wasn't even talking about that. So what on earth did that reply have to do with his post?

It is BRI that sets the "terms and conditions" to be licensed to tour.  There are "conditions precedent" that must be fulfilled to tour, whether that is money, certain tour operators, or merchandise agents, or not recording as BB's, or anything else.

And, I'm (or you're) not "privy" to, if you are not a member of BRI, or the attorney or other agent/s who know and abide by the terms or conditions.  Or those who "monitor" what happens on tour to be sure that the "rules of the road" are followed.

While people may not like this, it is what it is.  Until such time as BRI chooses to "reform" this, and the touring members abide by the "terms and conditions" the ball is in their court.  Not mine, and not yours, unless you are a member of BRI.

And people on this board may opine as they choose, but unless they are members/agents/attys., they only speculate about what they don't like or do like.  

[Jim V.]

Mike ditched everybody else and went back to touring the name with his solo group.  Mike is too much of a coward to ever tour under his own name and must use the BBs brand name for his group. What is hard to understand about that?

What is interesting SMiLEBrian, is also that any album or single project Mike has done in the last twenty or so years he never has the guts to bill it as "Mike Love." It's always "Mike Love of The Beach Boys" on his Catch a Wave promo album, or "Mike Love, Bruce Johnston & David Marks of the Beach Boys" on the NASCAR album, or "Mike Love and Bruce Johnston of The Beach Boys" on Summertime Cruisin'. Not to mention the singles for "Hungry Heart" or (gulp) "Santa's Goin' to Kokomo." He never has the balls to go out there without the Beach Boys name. Surprisingly, his new book is subtitled "My Life as a Beach Boy." Big surprise there. It's a crutch to him. I wouldn't doubt his new album credits him as "Mike Love of The Beach Boys."

He just doesn't have the guts to stand up for his own work on his own. Seems maybe it's a self-esteem issue. The same reason he always has to cover his bald head with a hat. Or why he always has to reference all the great songs he wrote.

[HeyJude]

As things stand means everyone involved is healthy and working. This is good. Would we rather someone had died in the middle of the C50 tour or that it was Brian who decided when it was over? ..... Even if others in the band wanted it to continue? ... As it ended might be a sour note, but it's a reality that was going to come one way or another.

Funny thing is, if it had been BRIAN who had called time on the whole thing (even if everyone else wanted to continue) the same people who tear Mike a new one for bowing out would be defending Brian's decision to the hilt.

This has been said before.

But it makes no sense, because Brian doesn't -- and never has -- toured as the Beach Boys.

It's not a small distinction. It's the entire point of the thing.

I don't think anyone would begrudge Mike if he wanted to tour and perform BB music under his own name, as Brian has. But after the C50 shows, Mike's willingness to return to the M&B format -- and bill it as the Beach Boys -- was appalling.

It would have still brought C50 to an end lieu of a post C50 agreement.

Again, completely missing the point of Wirestone’s post. If you want to continue to repeat the painfully obvious, self-evident fact that there was no post-tour agreement to do another tour (essentially, saying 0 = 0), maybe it’s better to start a new thread and see how many people care or can offer any disagreement.

[SMiLE Brian]

Mike ditched everybody else and went back to touring the name with his solo group.  Mike is too much of a coward to ever tour under his own name and must use the BBs brand name for his group. What is hard to understand about that?

What is interesting SMiLEBrian, is also that any album or single project Mike has done in the last twenty or so years he never has the guts to bill it as "Mike Love." It's always "Mike Love of The Beach Boys" on his Catch a Wave promo album, or "Mike Love, Bruce Johnston & David Marks of the Beach Boys" on the NASCAR album, or "Mike Love and Bruce Johnston of The Beach Boys" on Summertime Cruisin'. Not to mention the singles for "Hungry Heart" or (gulp) "Santa's Goin' to Kokomo." He never has the balls to go out there without the Beach Boys name. Surprisingly, his new book is subtitled "My Life as a Beach Boy." Big surprise there. It's a crutch to him. I wouldn't doubt his new album credits him as "Mike Love of The Beach Boys."

He just doesn't have the guts to stand up for his own work on his own. Seems maybe it's a self-esteem issue. The same reason he always has to cover his bald head with a hat. Or why he always has to reference all the great songs he wrote.

Exactly, Mike has major confidence issues behind his egotistical act he pulls on people. Its like he clings to the BBs brand BW created since he cannot create anything else due to his lack of true creativity for decades.

[Mike's Beard]

As things stand means everyone involved is healthy and working. This is good. Would we rather someone had died in the middle of the C50 tour or that it was Brian who decided when it was over? ..... Even if others in the band wanted it to continue? ... As it ended might be a sour note, but it's a reality that was going to come one way or another.

Funny thing is, if it had been BRIAN who had called time on the whole thing (even if everyone else wanted to continue) the same people who tear Mike a new one for bowing out would be defending Brian's decision to the hilt.

This has been said before.

But it makes no sense, because Brian doesn't -- and never has -- toured as the Beach Boys.

It's not a small distinction. It's the entire point of the thing.

I don't think anyone would begrudge Mike if he wanted to tour and perform BB music under his own name, as Brian has. But after the C50 shows, Mike's willingness to return to the M&B format -- and bill it as the Beach Boys -- was appalling.

It's a fair point and I can see why people who view Brian Wilson as 'The Beach Boys' would consider what Mike is doing as sacrilege but to be fair, Brian had spent the past 20 odd years establishing himself as a brand outside of the BBs. Mike on the other hand has been the one constant in the group since it's start ( and yes it's easy for his detractors to list unflattering reasons as to why this is). As the voice on the bulk of the hits which the average punter pays to hear and his willingness to gig at the drop of a hat, Mike was always the obvious choice to keep the name once they guys all split up again. That Brian and Al don't outvote him to use the name themselves shows at the very least that they can live with Mike touring as 'The Beach Boys'.

[Cam Mott]

I believe I'm giving my opinion that Wirestone's point is a distinction without a difference. Imo it is irrelevant to Mikes Beard's point.