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« on: June 02, 2006, 07:35:32 AM »

What's the big deal? More importantly, if you were to make it mono and replace 'And Then I Kissed Her' with it on SD/SN, would it have the great rep it seems to? Would it dramatically raise the quality of that album? I don't think so.

Nice vocal, though.
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2006, 11:23:08 AM »

I think that's why it got on the radio in 1969.. because it sounded like something that could've been from 1965.
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2006, 11:36:59 AM »

to me, then i kissed her just isn't a revelation...it sounds pretty much like spector's production...but the thing, is i've never heard the original version i can hear music
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2006, 05:47:59 PM »

to me, then i kissed her just isn't a revelation...it sounds pretty much like spector's production...but the thing, is i've never heard the original version i can hear music

Neither have I, that I can remember.  And apparently we aren't missing much.  Everyone, including I think Ronnie herself, said the Beach Boys' version of "I Can Hear Music" was superior to the Ronettes'.   It was the Ronettes' last record on Philles, and Phil didn't even produce it.  It only made it to Number 100 on the charts, whereas the Beach Boys version was almost in the Top 20 when the Beach Boys were quite uncool.  Phil's biographer Richard Williams said this in "Out Of His Head":   "Spector was so dispirited (over the failure of his production of Tina Turner doing "River Deep Mounain High") that he gave the group to Jeff Barry, who cut a fine song called 'I Can Hear Music' with them.  It suited Ronnie's voice, but Barry's production was unexceptional.  Three years later the Beach Boys turned it into a classic, thanks to Carl Wilson's inspired production and angelic lead vocal".

Compared to "And Then I Kissed Her", this one is STACKED vocally.  I think the reason it's popular among us Beach Boys fans (including myself) is the wall of Beach Boys vocals that just hit you like a wave right from the start:  "Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh".  VERY positive engergy.  And the chorus is a great hook.  And it's about music!  Kinda.   Singing about music in a very spiritual-sounding way.

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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2006, 05:56:36 PM »

I've heard the Ronettes version, in fact, I heard it before the Beach Boys version.. it's nothing special.
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2006, 06:10:57 PM »

I think it's a great song, especially the production which I'm told Carl did, but in the liner notes for the 2fer, Brian is quoted as saying "We got the guitars to sound just how we wanted on that one".... leading me to believe that Brian had at least a hand in producing it.  Either way, it sounds like a church choir which is why everybody likes it whether they admit it or not.  Plus it just drives the whole song... it's just balls to the wall from the very beginning, it starts, it is what it is, it switches up a bit in the acapella part, and then it's back 100 miles an hour through to the end, tons and tons of beach boys singing all over the place. 

My favorite part is in the acapella bit, somebody (Brian? Carl?) is singing REALLLLY high in the background "Muuuuuuusssiiicc..... MUUUUUSSSIccccc.... MUUU---uuuuuuu-----ssssiiiiicccccc oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2006, 06:34:49 PM »

I betcha the high voice is Bruce.  He's said the vocals were done by just him, Carl, Al, and Mike. 
No Brian.  But I've always thought maybe Marilyn's on it.

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2006, 06:22:03 PM »

Yeah, I do remember reading somewhere that it was the first track that Brian had no input on at all.
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2006, 08:54:04 PM »

Could Brian have helped mix it?  I'm trying to figure out what he's talking about on the 2fer notes.  Of course he could just be making things up, it would not be the first time, right?
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2006, 09:01:19 PM »

I found the notes.  Check this out.

"They say that I have a genius for makin' a complex piece of music seem easy.  I wanted the instrumental track of "I Can Hear Music" to be smooth and subliminal.  I used acoustic guitars.  Carl wailed on the lead.  His voice was gettin' established fast in the group." - Brian Wilson

He seems pretty adamant that he was there producing the track.  Surely he wouldn't just outright make that up out of thin air?
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2006, 09:09:07 PM »

Brian also credits Carl for producing "Add Some Music to Your Day" which all other documentation says is a Brian production.  And he said that they tried to make the Party album into a party, which I don't hear on the outtakes.  I would take Brian Wilson's notes with a grain of salt.
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2006, 09:19:27 PM »

I love ICHM, and one of these days it'll convince the boys to add it to the Truck's repertoire, because it's such a challenge to sing, and so rewarding when it turns out all right!
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2006, 10:26:47 PM »

Brian also mentions "Cotton Fields" in the liner notes for Friends.. they're pretty much worthless fluff.
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2006, 10:35:58 PM »

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My favorite part is in the acapella bit, somebody (Brian? Carl?) is singing REALLLLY high in the background "Muuuuuuusssiiicc..... MUUUUUSSSIccccc.... MUUU---uuuuuuu-----ssssiiiiicccccc oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

I love it...very gospel-ish style of singing.
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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2006, 12:32:33 AM »

I would take Brian Wilson's notes with a grain of salt.
Exactly. For example, in the 20/20 liner notes, he writes: "By this album I rolled around to doin' what I call a rock and roll waltz with Cabin Essnce", and he also implies that he wrote and recorded "Our Prayer" for the 20/20 album.
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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2006, 05:52:56 AM »

I would take Brian Wilson's notes with a grain of salt.
Exactly. For example, in the 20/20 liner notes, he writes: "By this album I rolled around to doin' what I call a rock and roll waltz with Cabin Essnce", and he also implies that he wrote and recorded "Our Prayer" for the 20/20 album.

He didn't say that he wrote "Prayer" for 20/20, he told how he wrote it at the piano, but no mention of this album (or any other). But with "Cabinessence" he really seemed to talk about writing it for 20/20. But I we all know about Brian's memory, don't we?
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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2006, 08:53:19 AM »

If anyone wants to hear the Ronettes version for comparison, I've posted it here:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=CDFFBA9507F03D07

It's no longer available on domestic CD compilations.
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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2006, 01:19:43 PM »

Back up a second, though. Did someone really just dismiss "Cottonfields" as 'fluff'? Wow. I love that song. Brian's production (the album version) at least. It's so understated and cool, so many weird combinations of instruments coming together to sound so folksy and downhome. And the vocals are terrific too....
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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2006, 01:35:45 PM »

No, no, no, I said Brian's liner notes were fluff, and that he mentioned Cotton Fields on the Friends liner notes even though it was on 20/20.

It's a great song.
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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2006, 01:54:42 PM »

No, no, no, I said Brian's liner notes were fluff, and that he mentioned Cotton Fields on the Friends liner notes even though it was on 20/20.

It's a great song.

There's a big difference between mistaking which album one of your songs is on, and whether or not you helped to arrange and produce a track!  I for one believe that Brian had at least some input in "ICHM" (as I'm sure Carl also did with "ASMTYD").
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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2006, 02:12:11 PM »

Well, at least one BB, either Al or Bruce, has said that Brian did not sing on ICHM.  So his impact would have to be minimal, and Brian received no producer credit.

What studios was it recorded in?  If it were done in NYC, that might help remove the possibility for Brian to have been there.  We know that at least some tracks were done in NYC while on tour in that period.

And the BB version BLOWS the Ronettes out of the water.  I am listening now, and there is no contest.
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« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2006, 02:17:47 PM »

Point taken on the "asmtyd" credit, but I could understand Brian giving someone else credit for something others might think they had nothing or little to do with (I.E., maybe Carl came up with some ideas so Brian likes to say Carl produced that one)... but claiming you produced a song you had nothing to do with, and writing 3 or 4 lines about how great your production on that song was... surely his memory isn't THAT bad. 
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« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2006, 02:20:51 PM »

"I Can Hear Music" was recorded at the home studio on 10.01.68, one day prior to "Time to Get Alone", and mixed at Capitol on 11.11.68.

I don't think Al or Bruce's comments about Brian not singing on the track contradict Brian's claim to arranging part of it. 
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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2006, 02:32:15 PM »

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Point taken on the "asmtyd" credit, but I could understand Brian giving someone else credit for something others might think they had nothing or little to do with (I.E., maybe Carl came up with some ideas so Brian likes to say Carl produced that one)... but claiming you produced a song you had nothing to do with, and writing 3 or 4 lines about how great your production on that song was... surely his memory isn't THAT bad.

Depends on whether or not he actually DID write/say those things in the liner notes. Those things were  done during the Landy years. He could've been heavily medicated.

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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2006, 05:37:50 PM »

I'll admit it - they got a very nice guitar sound on ICHM too. It still baffles me a bit, though, as to why Kissed Her is not all that well regarded in comparison to it. Perhaps I'm in error linking the two songs, but it's a habit I've gotten into. I guess I have cloth ears, or my pro-Brian tendencies are more pronounced than I think.
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