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« Reply #150 on: October 24, 2014, 12:44:38 PM »

I don't know anything about Elliott Lott, either, but I think his statement was - at the very least - poorly worded, if not just flat out wrong. Mike may have strongly suggested to Carl that he not worry about touring again until his health was improved, and gotten a response from Carl to the effect "don't worry about it, Mike, I'm there", to which Mike said "cool, if you feel up to it, let's go do it". I know it's popular around here to portray Mike as a devil that only cares about making money, money, and more money, but this is family. I have absolutely no doubt that Mike deeply loved his cousin, even if those feelings of love may not be something he finds easy to express publicly. It's too bad, though, that there was such bad blood between he and Al, they seemed to be good buddies during the crazy years of the late 70's.
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« Reply #151 on: October 24, 2014, 01:09:41 PM »

I agree with this. So much in this thread seems to hinge on Lott's statement which is poorly worded at best.

"Mike refused to appear with Carl (What? That bastard! That egomaniacal cretin, that...) out of love for Carl" (Huh? Wha? What does that even mean?). 

I would think the anecdotes and pieces of information others have offered in this thread present more of a coherent picture than Lott's blurb.
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« Reply #152 on: October 24, 2014, 01:15:36 PM »

"Last year, The Beach Boys undertook their 36th anniversary tour and at the time of Carl's death, the group were lining up a 1998 US tour to be accompanied by a symphony orchestra."

NME  LUNG CANCER CLAIMS BEACH BOY CARL WILSON (1946 - 1998)

If accurate, perhaps Lott's recall is tied up in the pre-season planning of this. Al said that Brian nor Mike wanted to participate in this tour. Then there is the story that Carl didn't want Brian to participate, if this is the same tour. If Lott's claim was Mike's reason, it would make sense and explain how Mike did not fail to appear at any shows in 1997 with Carl or Al, or prevent Carl or Al from touring either, and still feel Mike's love towards Carl was justified.
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« Reply #153 on: October 24, 2014, 01:45:58 PM »

I can confirm the story about Carl having to go into the hospital in early Dec. 1997 for bleeding. His sons mentioned that episode in a speech when they appeared at one of the CWF events (forget which one specifically).

As for Elliott Lott, has anyone considered the possibility that he was misquoted? It happens all the time in the press. (And apologies in advance if someone has already mentioned that possibility.)
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« Reply #154 on: October 24, 2014, 01:47:21 PM »

 Just to be clear, I last saw Carl on August 3, 1997.  AS OF THAT DATE, there was no oxygen to be seen.  For all I know Carl began to need it the following day, although it seems from other posters here that may not have been the case.
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« Reply #155 on: October 24, 2014, 01:57:28 PM »

I can confirm the story about Carl having to go into the hospital in early Dec. 1997 for bleeding. His sons mentioned that episode in a speech when they appeared at one of the CWF events (forget which one specifically).

As for Elliott Lott, has anyone considered the possibility that he was misquoted? It happens all the time in the press. (And apologies in advance if someone has already mentioned that possibility.)

It's certainly technically possible, but given the context and the composition of the article, it doesn't seem particularly likely to me.

It was a sensitive time due to the legal stuff with Family & Friends and whatnot, so I would think they would have been quick to correct any mis-quotes.
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« Reply #156 on: October 24, 2014, 02:20:17 PM »

Carl Wilson, founding member and lead guitarist of the Beach Boys, has been diagnosed with cancer in his brain and lung. But, according to his spokesperson, Wilson is "in good spirits" and expects a "speedy recovery."
The 50-year-old Wilson is currently undergoing chemotherapy and radiation treatment to prevent the disease, which was detected last week, from spreading. "The doctors feel the situation is under control," says Alyson Dutch, the band's spokesperson. "Apparently they caught it in time, and he will be able to tour by May."
That's when the Beach Boys' annual summer tour kicks off. This year the band will be playing 16 dates throughout the United States, co-headlining with fellow oldies act Chicago.

E Online! NEWS/ Beach Boy Carl Wilson Has Cancer Apr. 3 1997
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« Reply #157 on: October 24, 2014, 02:50:34 PM »

God bless Carl Wilson.  He was not only a great singer/guitar player/entertainer, but a very good – and brave – man.  Wish he were still with us today.
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« Reply #158 on: October 24, 2014, 02:51:21 PM »

1997 gigs of Carl:

March     
  1 - Mar-a-Lago Club, Palm Beach FL
  7 - Station Casino, Kansas City MO#
20 - Centroplex Exhibition Hall, Baton Rouge LA (benefit)

April   
17 - Hartwall Areena, Helsinki, Finland [w/Jomas] [no Carl]
  
May   
24 - Harrah’s, Laughlin NV
25 - Harrah’s, Laughlin NV
30 - Riverport Amphitheater, St Louis MO [w/Chicago]
31 - Polaris Amphitheater, Columbus OH [w/Chicago]

 June     
  1 - Deer Creek Music Center, Indianapolis IN [w/Chicago]
  3 - Marcus Amphitheater, Milwaukee WI [w/Chicago]
  5 - Sioux City Stadium, Sioux City IA [w/Chicago]
  6 - Sandstone Amphitheater, Kansas City KS [w/Chicago]
  7 - Starplex Amphitheater, Dallas TX [w/Chicago]
  8 - Woodlands Amphitheater, Houston TX [w/Chicago]
10 - Chastain Park, Atlanta GA [w/Chicago]
12 - Coliseum, Charleston SC [w/Chicago]
13 - Walnut Creek, Raleigh NC [w/Chicago]
14 - Amphitheater, Virginia Beach VA [w/Chicago]
15 - Blossom Music Center, Cleveland OH [w/Chicago]
17 - Merriweather Post, Washington DC [w/Chicago]
18 - Amphitheater, Hershey PA [w/Chicago]
20 - The Meadows Music Theatre, Hartford CT [w/Chicago]
21 - Harbor Lights, Boston MA [w/Chicago]
26 - Golden Eagle Casino, Horton KS
30 - House of Blues, North Myrtle Beach SC

July   
  1 - House of Blues, North Myrtle Beach SC
  2 - House of Blues, North Myrtle Beach SC
  3 - Richmond VA
  4 - Jackson NJ
  5 - Eagle Crest Aerodrome, Lewes DE
19 - A & P Tennis Tournament, Mahwah NJ
20 - Starlake Amphitheater, Burgettstown PA

August     
  2 - Concord Pavilion, Concord CA
  3 - Blockbuster Pavilion, Devore CA
  9 - Reno Hilton Amphitheater NV
10 - Reno Hilton Amphitheater NV
10 - Cashman Stadium, Las Vegas NV
19 - Rosemont Theater, Rosemont IL
20 - Pine Knob, Clarkston MI
21 - Syracuse State Fairgrounds, Syracuse NY
23 - Jones Beach NY
24 - Jones Beach NY
24 - Garden State Arts Center, Holmdel NJ
26 - Resorts Casino, Atlantic City NJ
27 - Resorts Casino, Atlantic City NJ
28 - Resorts Casino, Atlantic City NJ
29 - Resorts Casino, Atlantic City NJ [Carl's last show]
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« Reply #159 on: October 24, 2014, 02:53:48 PM »

Ahh...so he WASN'T at the show in the Woodlands in August. That makes me feel better...all this time I thought I had missed out on seeing him, yet now I see I didn't have a chance anyway. Oddly comforting, I know.
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« Reply #160 on: October 24, 2014, 02:56:48 PM »

Er... no... because the Woodlands show was on June 8th.
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« Reply #161 on: October 24, 2014, 04:02:25 PM »

1997 gigs of Carl:

March    
  1 - Mar-a-Lago Club, Palm Beach FL
  7 - Station Casino, Kansas City MO#
20 - Centroplex Exhibition Hall, Baton Rouge LA (benefit)

April   
17 - Hartwall Areena, Helsinki, Finland [w/Jomas] [no Carl]
 
May   
24 - Harrah’s, Laughlin NV
25 - Harrah’s, Laughlin NV
30 - Riverport Amphitheater, St Louis MO [w/Chicago]
31 - Polaris Amphitheater, Columbus OH [w/Chicago]

 June    
  1 - Deer Creek Music Center, Indianapolis IN [w/Chicago]
  3 - Marcus Amphitheater, Milwaukee WI [w/Chicago]
  5 - Sioux City Stadium, Sioux City IA [w/Chicago]
  6 - Sandstone Amphitheater, Kansas City KS [w/Chicago]
  7 - Starplex Amphitheater, Dallas TX [w/Chicago]
  8 - Woodlands Amphitheater, Houston TX [w/Chicago]
10 - Chastain Park, Atlanta GA [w/Chicago]
12 - Coliseum, Charleston SC [w/Chicago]
13 - Walnut Creek, Raleigh NC [w/Chicago]
14 - Amphitheater, Virginia Beach VA [w/Chicago]
15 - Blossom Music Center, Cleveland OH [w/Chicago]
17 - Merriweather Post, Washington DC [w/Chicago]
18 - Amphitheater, Hershey PA [w/Chicago]
20 - The Meadows Music Theatre, Hartford CT [w/Chicago]
21 - Harbor Lights, Boston MA [w/Chicago]
26 - Golden Eagle Casino, Horton KS
30 - House of Blues, North Myrtle Beach SC

July   
  1 - House of Blues, North Myrtle Beach SC
  2 - House of Blues, North Myrtle Beach SC
  3 - Richmond VA
  4 - Jackson NJ
  5 - Eagle Crest Aerodrome, Lewes DE
19 - A & P Tennis Tournament, Mahwah NJ
20 - Starlake Amphitheater, Burgettstown PA

August    
  2 - Concord Paviliong, Concord CA
  3 - Blockbuster Pavilion, Devore CA
  9 - Reno Hilton Amphitheater NV
10 - Reno Hilton Amphitheater NV
10 - Cashman Stadium, Las Vegas NV
19 - Rosemont Theater, Rosemont IL
20 - Pine Knob, Clarkston MI
21 - Syracuse State Fairgrounds, Syracuse NY
23 - Jones Beach NY
24 - Jones Beach NY
24 - Garden State Arts Center, Holmdel NJ
26 - Resorts Casino, Atlantic City NJ
27 - Resorts Casino, Atlantic City NJ
28 - Resorts Casino, Atlantic City NJ
29 - Resorts Casino, Atlantic City NJ [Carl's last show]
Andrew, the 29th cannot be correct. I attended either the 28th or 29th show and Carl did not play that night.
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« Reply #162 on: October 24, 2014, 05:33:45 PM »

I was at the June 2 1997 show in Milwaukee. Carl sat on a stool a lot of the time. I took some nice close ups of  Carl. I can't locate mine at present. However I traded it with Emdeeh. Perhaps she can locate it and post it.
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« Reply #163 on: October 24, 2014, 05:52:08 PM »

With this info on Carl's illness at the end I find it extremely  hard to imagine that after Carl left the tour in late August and then deteriorated to the point of hospitalization in early December and even further to his death in early February that there was ever a time after August that Carl felt up to considering rejoining the tour. Anybody know different? God rest Carl's soul.

Somebody could ask Lott but it looks more and more to me like the claim attributed to him gets further and further from any version of reality. Maybe it's  just me.
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« Reply #164 on: October 24, 2014, 06:05:50 PM »

Er... no... because the Woodlands show was on June 8th.

Uhhh...why did i think all this time it was on 31 Aug 1997? Had a bald moment*...don't mind me.


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Oddly enough, 8 June happens to be the same date I saw the C50 show in 2012 at the exact same venue.
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« Reply #165 on: October 24, 2014, 11:23:38 PM »

Andrew, the 29th cannot be correct. I attended either the 28th or 29th show and Carl did not play that night.

Then you attended the 28th - I'll amend. Carl's last show was definitely the 29th.
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« Reply #166 on: October 24, 2014, 11:49:40 PM »

Andrew, the 29th cannot be correct. I attended either the 28th or 29th show and Carl did not play that night.

Then you attended the 28th - I'll amend. Carl's last show was definitely the 29th.

Not questioning the validity of this assertion, but just wondering what the sources are for the 29th being the last show for Carl. So he played the 26th, 27th, missed the 28th, played again the 29th?
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« Reply #167 on: October 25, 2014, 12:03:02 AM »

Andrew, the 29th cannot be correct. I attended either the 28th or 29th show and Carl did not play that night.

Then you attended the 28th - I'll amend. Carl's last show was definitely the 29th.

Not questioning the validity of this assertion, but just wondering what the sources are for the 29th being the last show for Carl. So he played the 26th, 27th, missed the 28th, played again the 29th?
It does seem a little odd that he would miss a single day. Even odder that it was in the middle of a group of shows. it makes sense that he would not be able to make the full grouping of shows, but you'd think he'd miss the last day(or two). He was sick enough to miss a show, and be ok for the very next one?  Brow
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« Reply #168 on: October 25, 2014, 12:25:41 AM »

Andrew, the 29th cannot be correct. I attended either the 28th or 29th show and Carl did not play that night.

Then you attended the 28th - I'll amend. Carl's last show was definitely the 29th.

Not questioning the validity of this assertion, but just wondering what the sources are for the 29th being the last show for Carl. So he played the 26th, 27th, missed the 28th, played again the 29th?
It does seem a little odd that he would miss a single day. Even odder that it was in the middle of a group of shows. it makes sense that he would not be able to make the full grouping of shows, but you'd think he'd miss the last day(or two). He was sick enough to miss a show, and be ok for the very next one?  Brow

I think it's a feasible scenario. Just curious about what actually happened.
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« Reply #169 on: October 25, 2014, 09:09:03 AM »

Andrew, the 29th cannot be correct. I attended either the 28th or 29th show and Carl did not play that night.

Then you attended the 28th - I'll amend. Carl's last show was definitely the 29th.

Not questioning the validity of this assertion, but just wondering what the sources are for the 29th being the last show for Carl. So he played the 26th, 27th, missed the 28th, played again the 29th?
It does seem a little odd that he would miss a single day. Even odder that it was in the middle of a group of shows. it makes sense that he would not be able to make the full grouping of shows, but you'd think he'd miss the last day(or two). He was sick enough to miss a show, and be ok for the very next one?  Brow

I think it's a feasible scenario. Just curious about what actually happened.

I haven't commented in this discussion until now, but I have had experience (as have many others on the board) with loved ones fighting cancer. In the past 8 years I lost both parents who were fighting cancer, and what I'd like to add is that from what I witnessed with them and others, it can be a day-to-day existence and struggle, even an hour-by-hour situation.

My dad, who was also named Carl and whose birthday would have been coming up next week, had good days and bad days, just like everyone else battling cancer or any other illness. In those last years when I was taking care of things with him, he'd have a day where he'd be up and around, doing things - cooking, walking around, suggesting going out for a meal, etc. - then the next day he had no energy or stamina at all, and I saw how it really brought him down that he wasn't able to do his "normal" routine. Of all that happened, that was one of the toughest things to witness. Going from active to just not having the strength or energy to get up out of the chair, again on a day-to-day basis. And that got worse with time. Likewise, in retrospect it was really tough to watch what would go on when we'd go to the cancer treatment center, sometimes on a weekly basis, depending on the treatments at the time. Same with my mom before that. You'd be sitting in the waiting areas with people, you'd get to know or recognize them and their families, and some days they'd look energetic, smiling, whatever...and other days you could tell it wasn't a good day. Then there were those who were the "regulars" that would come in every time we were there, then one week you wouldn't see them. Bless those people who work in that field, to handle that emotion on a daily basis.

So the fact that Carl Wilson was sick and couldn't do a show one day but played one the next isn't surprising at all, nor is it out of the ordinary. Again, from what I saw one of the toughest personal struggles was the desire to do the things you wanted to do, were accustomed to doing, or even loved to do, but which the illness physically (or mentally) prevented you from doing. And if there were a "good day" so to speak, you'd want to get back into that normal routine as much as you could. Carl was a musician, he loved being a musician and playing music for people: I'm sure like all of those who have battled cancer, he'd try any way he could to do just that and do what he loved and wanted to do, but some days the illness just kept him from doing so.
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« Reply #170 on: October 25, 2014, 11:02:15 AM »

Andrew, the 29th cannot be correct. I attended either the 28th or 29th show and Carl did not play that night.

Then you attended the 28th - I'll amend. Carl's last show was definitely the 29th.

Not questioning the validity of this assertion, but just wondering what the sources are for the 29th being the last show for Carl. So he played the 26th, 27th, missed the 28th, played again the 29th?
It does seem a little odd that he would miss a single day. Even odder that it was in the middle of a group of shows. it makes sense that he would not be able to make the full grouping of shows, but you'd think he'd miss the last day(or two). He was sick enough to miss a show, and be ok for the very next one?  Brow

I think it's a feasible scenario. Just curious about what actually happened.

I haven't commented in this discussion until now, but I have had experience (as have many others on the board) with loved ones fighting cancer. In the past 8 years I lost both parents who were fighting cancer, and what I'd like to add is that from what I witnessed with them and others, it can be a day-to-day existence and struggle, even an hour-by-hour situation.

My dad, who was also named Carl and whose birthday would have been coming up next week, had good days and bad days, just like everyone else battling cancer or any other illness. In those last years when I was taking care of things with him, he'd have a day where he'd be up and around, doing things - cooking, walking around, suggesting going out for a meal, etc. - then the next day he had no energy or stamina at all, and I saw how it really brought him down that he wasn't able to do his "normal" routine. Of all that happened, that was one of the toughest things to witness. Going from active to just not having the strength or energy to get up out of the chair, again on a day-to-day basis. And that got worse with time. Likewise, in retrospect it was really tough to watch what would go on when we'd go to the cancer treatment center, sometimes on a weekly basis, depending on the treatments at the time. Same with my mom before that. You'd be sitting in the waiting areas with people, you'd get to know or recognize them and their families, and some days they'd look energetic, smiling, whatever...and other days you could tell it wasn't a good day. Then there were those who were the "regulars" that would come in every time we were there, then one week you wouldn't see them. Bless those people who work in that field, to handle that emotion on a daily basis.

So the fact that Carl Wilson was sick and couldn't do a show one day but played one the next isn't surprising at all, nor is it out of the ordinary. Again, from what I saw one of the toughest personal struggles was the desire to do the things you wanted to do, were accustomed to doing, or even loved to do, but which the illness physically (or mentally) prevented you from doing. And if there were a "good day" so to speak, you'd want to get back into that normal routine as much as you could. Carl was a musician, he loved being a musician and playing music for people: I'm sure like all of those who have battled cancer, he'd try any way he could to do just that and do what he loved and wanted to do, but some days the illness just kept him from doing so.

GuitarFool;

Very sorry about your parents ; cancer is hideous, a horror to any family that has had to deal with it.

The crux of Hey Jude's question , I believe, is what was Elliott Lott referring to in Carlin's book and the Rolling Stone article; i.e. Mike's stating he would not appear with Carl ; with Carl being very ill , wearing a wig  and requiring oxygen in between songs ect.  What Elliott Lott was defending, was the letter that Mike had sent to BRI effectively demanding that Carl should step down from touring ; if not , then he (Mike) was going to quit. I remember that Brian's reponse to the letter was that he felt Carl should tour as long as he felt like he could, and that it should be up to Carl when he stops. Elliott was attempting to define it as tough love from Mike in getting Carl to step down.

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« Reply #171 on: October 25, 2014, 11:19:15 AM »

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What Elliott Lott was defending, was the letter that Mike had sent to BRI effectively demanding that Carl should step down from touring ; if not , then he (Mike) was going to quit. I remember that Brian's reponse to the letter was that he felt Carl should tour as long as he felt like he could, and that it should be up to Carl when he stops.

I never knew about the letter. I guess the next question is...when Carl left the tour, did he do it on his own?
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« Reply #172 on: October 25, 2014, 11:43:05 AM »

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What Elliott Lott was defending, was the letter that Mike had sent to BRI effectively demanding that Carl should step down from touring ; if not , then he (Mike) was going to quit. I remember that Brian's reponse to the letter was that he felt Carl should tour as long as he felt like he could, and that it should be up to Carl when he stops.

I never knew about the letter. I guess the next question is...when Carl left the tour, did he do it on his own?

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« Reply #173 on: October 25, 2014, 12:15:26 PM »

Andrew, the 29th cannot be correct. I attended either the 28th or 29th show and Carl did not play that night.

Then you attended the 28th - I'll amend. Carl's last show was definitely the 29th.

Not questioning the validity of this assertion, but just wondering what the sources are for the 29th being the last show for Carl. So he played the 26th, 27th, missed the 28th, played again the 29th?
It does seem a little odd that he would miss a single day. Even odder that it was in the middle of a group of shows. it makes sense that he would not be able to make the full grouping of shows, but you'd think he'd miss the last day(or two). He was sick enough to miss a show, and be ok for the very next one?  Brow

I think it's a feasible scenario. Just curious about what actually happened.

I haven't commented in this discussion until now, but I have had experience (as have many others on the board) with loved ones fighting cancer. In the past 8 years I lost both parents who were fighting cancer, and what I'd like to add is that from what I witnessed with them and others, it can be a day-to-day existence and struggle, even an hour-by-hour situation.

My dad, who was also named Carl and whose birthday would have been coming up next week, had good days and bad days, just like everyone else battling cancer or any other illness. In those last years when I was taking care of things with him, he'd have a day where he'd be up and around, doing things - cooking, walking around, suggesting going out for a meal, etc. - then the next day he had no energy or stamina at all, and I saw how it really brought him down that he wasn't able to do his "normal" routine. Of all that happened, that was one of the toughest things to witness. Going from active to just not having the strength or energy to get up out of the chair, again on a day-to-day basis. And that got worse with time. Likewise, in retrospect it was really tough to watch what would go on when we'd go to the cancer treatment center, sometimes on a weekly basis, depending on the treatments at the time. Same with my mom before that. You'd be sitting in the waiting areas with people, you'd get to know or recognize them and their families, and some days they'd look energetic, smiling, whatever...and other days you could tell it wasn't a good day. Then there were those who were the "regulars" that would come in every time we were there, then one week you wouldn't see them. Bless those people who work in that field, to handle that emotion on a daily basis.

So the fact that Carl Wilson was sick and couldn't do a show one day but played one the next isn't surprising at all, nor is it out of the ordinary. Again, from what I saw one of the toughest personal struggles was the desire to do the things you wanted to do, were accustomed to doing, or even loved to do, but which the illness physically (or mentally) prevented you from doing. And if there were a "good day" so to speak, you'd want to get back into that normal routine as much as you could. Carl was a musician, he loved being a musician and playing music for people: I'm sure like all of those who have battled cancer, he'd try any way he could to do just that and do what he loved and wanted to do, but some days the illness just kept him from doing so.

GuitarFool;

Very sorry about your parents ; cancer is hideous, a horror to any family that has had to deal with it.

The crux of Hey Jude's question , I believe, is what was Elliott Lott referring to in Carlin's book and the Rolling Stone article; i.e. Mike's stating he would not appear with Carl ; with Carl being very ill , wearing a wig  and requiring oxygen in between songs ect.  What Elliott Lott was defending, was the letter that Mike had sent to BRI effectively demanding that Carl should step down from touring ; if not , then he (Mike) was going to quit. I remember that Brian's reponse to the letter was that he felt Carl should tour as long as he felt like he could, and that it should be up to Carl when he stops. Elliott was attempting to define it as tough love from Mike in getting Carl to step down.



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« Reply #174 on: October 25, 2014, 02:21:39 PM »

Thank you, Ray for sharing that with us. My next question is this: didn't MIke realize that his action might be interpreted by less sympathetic (to Mike) as an act of cold heartedness?  I realize it had to be difficult for Miike, but I don't think I could have made such a demand if I was in Mike's shoes.
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