Songs that may or may not exist....

[Jim V.]

I was thinking an interesting idea for a topic would be to group together a bunch of songs that The Beach Boys (or closely aligned offshoots) supposedly have recorded over the years, but it seems are either lost or were never actually recorded. I'm gonna start with the Smiley Smile era, because that seems to be where you start having those random titles. So what I'm gonna do is just post the title and any info or questions I may have about the song. Anyways, here goes....

1967
"Good News"
"Hawaiian Song": is this just a different title for "Little Pad" or is it truly different?
"Good Time Mama"
"Tune #L": supposed a "Dennis Wilson" tune (solo?) from late '67.

1969
"What Can the Matter Be?": apparently the session featured participation from every then current Beach Boy but Brian.

1971
"Old Movie": supposedly used as a "catch-all' title for many of Dennis' early '70s songs such as "4th of July" and "Cuddle Up" (I think). Anyways, is there indeed an "Old Movie" out there that is actually different from those?
"Baby, Baby": apparently for a planned Dennis solo album.
"Behold the Night": apparently for a planned Dennis solo album.
"Beatrice from Baltimore": early version of "Mess of Help", but were vocals ever tracked?

"Burlesque" (1971/1972): apparently a co-write by Brian and Jack Rieley, with Rieley having quoted some of the lyrics to AGD, but no recording as around apparently.

1972
"Body Talk"
"Funky Fever": apparently a Spring outtake, but nothing much known besides that.
"Gimme, Gimme Good Lovin'": supposedly a cover of "Gimme Some Lovin'", but according to David Sandler, there was a version of "Gimme Some Lovin'" done as a medley with "Baby I Need Your Lovin'". He says it was recorded (at least instrumentally), but apparently nothing's turned up.

1974
"Just an Imitation": the big one. Apparently it does truly exist, confirmed by somebody close to Brian. But apparently no recording exists.
"Why Don't You Try Me?": sounds like a Dennis title to me, but seriously, who knows?
"Earthquake Time": sounds like an Al title, hah!
"Don't Let Me Go": supposedly a Mike/Carl co-write, Mike even quoted some of it's lyrics in an interview, but I have no idea if this one actually was ever even demoed
"You're Riding High on the Music": a Wilson/Kalinich co-write, I assume this was recorded at the same session as "Lucy Jones" and the demo of "California Feelin'", but as of right now there is no tape found for it.
"Our Life, Our Love, Our Land": described by Mike as an "ethnic thing" like "The Trader" or something like that, but who knows?

"Grateful We are for Little Children" (1974/1975???): long thought to be a Dennis song, it apparently is another Brian/Kalinich co-write. And it uses what late came to a be the melody from "Saturday Morning in the City" (and one can guess who the title line could be sang pretty obviously too, I'd say).

1975
"Don't Want Much, Just a Country or Two, Maybe a Planet Before it's Through": Dennis and Kalinich, right?
"Mona Kana": supposedly had lyrics unlike the 1968 recording.
"Helen Keller": once again, Dennis and Kalinich? I also suspect a lot of these co-writes by these guys never got recorded.
"Our Love Remains": a Dennis song.
"Marble Sittin' on a Kitchen Table": another Dennis tune.
"Come to the Sunshine": Brian recorded this with Van Dyke Parks apparently and wanted to use it for the then upcoming Beach Boys album, but the tape got lost?

1976
"Gold Rush": an Al song.
"Lisa": a Mike Love song.
"10,000 Years Ago": apparently a Dennis/Mike collaboration. Mike did in fact record a song of the same title later? Is that related to this one?
"Secret Love": another oldie from the 15 Big Ones sessions, right?
"Workin' in a Coal Mine": yet another cover
"Don't Fight the Sea": the same "Don't Fight the Sea" from Al's album??
"Flowers Come in the Spring": did Dennis ever actually re-record "Lady"?
"I Didn't Mean to Make You Worry": a Dennis tune.
"Taking Off": Dennis, once again. Does this one circulate?

1977
"Something New"
"Beach Burlesque": same as "Burlesque" from the early '70s??
"Egypt"
"Crying": more Dennis.
"Fever": another Dennis.

1978
"I Really Love You"
"Let Me Out of Here"
"I Don't Want to Go": another Dennis solo tune.
"Calendar Girl" ("calliope version"): supposedly there was a really cool version of "Calendar Girl" produced by Brian from the L.A. (Light Album) sessions, but it does not seem to be on tape.
"Please Darling": also known as "I'm Begging You Please", it's listed as being recorded during the L.A. sessions, but was it just the familiar demo or was it something more?

1980
"Can't Wait Too Long": this song was worked on during the Keepin' the Summer Alive sessions. Do any of the released versions contain anything from those sessions?
"Boys and Girls": was also recorded in 1979, and went unfinished. Did this version have the same fate? Or did it get a vocal on it?

Dennis and Christine McVie sessions??

1981
"Sweetie": was this one ever recorded?

And with that, I think that would wrap it up. I could go further, but I think '67 to '81 is enough. Anyways, hopefully this will encourage those who know more to speak up and clarify some of the murkiness that is The Beach Boys catalogue.

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

The lost vocal sessions for Look. The Second Movement of Surfs Up (unless certain people in the thread are right and that it's actually always been Talking Horns.) Also, the other two Jasper Dailey Songs.

[Andrew G. Doe]

"Hawaiian Song" evolved into "Little Pad".

"Old Movie" - the only two known recording logged under this title are indeed "4th of July" & "Cuddle Up".

"Beatrice" - lyrics were certainly written, but no recording of them is known to exist, currently.

"Taking Off" - I seem to recall that's an alternate title for "Time For Bed".

"CWTL" '80 - what apparently happened was that the original 1967/8 version was sweetened.

The other two Dailey tracks - "Crack The Whip" and "When I Get Mad I Just Play My Drums" - were definitely recorded, and acetates exist. Somewhere.

[punkinhead]

Behold the Night exists.

[TimeToGetAlone]

I don't know where I heard this, but I vaguely recall a tape of Brian talking to an interviewer about a song he'd done called Sweetie.  Then he briefly sings a line of the song, under a melody that is reminiscent of the verses of Honkin' Down the Highway and also Mona (which have some similarities to my ears).  I'm not even positive on the timeline, but I swear I heard something like this.

[alf wiedersehen]

"Sweetie" exists.
It's similar to "Mona" in that's a piano romp kinda-thing.

[alf wiedersehen]

Oh, "I Really Love You" also exists.
If I recall correctly, it's a rough instrumental.

[SloopJohnB]

What about the version of "Oh Lord" that was apparently recorded, or at least attempted, for the 1985 album?

[doc smiley]

"Good Time Mama"
just speculation, but being from 1967, this could have become the final part of "She's Goin' Bald".. the "too late mama.. part.

[Generation42]

What about the version of "Oh Lord" that was apparently recorded, or at least attempted, for the 1985 album?

Yeah, what about that?  I know I've asked before around these parts for some elaboration on this -- anything -- but no one has ever uttered a word.

[Bicyclerider]

Old Movie - someone who heard a number of unreleased songs being considered for Made in California played to him by Alan Boyd described much of what he heard, and Old Movie was one of them and it indeed was different from Cuddle Up and 4th of July, although it may have been an early version of one of those.  It's in a thread somewhere here . . .

[alf wiedersehen]

Old Movie - someone who heard a number of unreleased songs being considered for Made in California played to him by Alan Boyd described much of what he heard, and Old Movie was one of them and it indeed was different from Cuddle Up and 4th of July, although it may have been an early version of one of those.  It's in a thread somewhere here . . .

Would that happen to be this thread?
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12489.0.html6

What he says is: ""Cuddle Up"/"Old Movie" (2 different tracks/takes)."

[punkinhead]

"Sweetie" exists.
It's similar to "Mona" in that's a piano romp kinda-thing.

Isn't Sweetie basically a Heart and Soul re-write?
Sometimes it's on Andy Paley boots but I think it's from the early 80s.
I think (think) on a recording of Les Chan interviewing Brian in the early 80s, Les asks Brian if Sweetie will be in the setlist that night, Brian replies "no."

[Jon Stebbins]

"Taking Off" - I seem to recall that's an alternate title for "Time For Bed".

Taking Off is an alternate take of the track known as Piano Variations, a slightly varied performance of the same piano progression but with full production, synths, choir, Dennis wordless vocal. Great track.

[Mikie]

Somebody asked me last night if I have heard "Behold The Night" and "I Really Love You". I see a couple of you guys say the songs "exist". Other than reading somewhere that they indeed "exist", have you heard them yourselves? I know they exist, but are they in circulation amongst collectors? 'Cause I've never heard them.

[STE]

"Sweetie" exists.
It's similar to "Mona" in that's a piano romp kinda-thing.

Sweetie is simply the early version of "Love Ya" from Sweet Insanity.

[punkinhead]

Somebody asked me last night if I have heard "Behold The Night" and "I Really Love You". I see a couple of you guys say the songs "exist". Other than reading somewhere that they indeed "exist", have you heard them yourselves? I know they exist, but are they in circulation amongst collectors? 'Cause I've never heard them.

Yes, I heard it once, but it's not in circulation.
I only heard it played under special circumstances.

[The Heartical Don]

Somebody asked me last night if I have heard "Behold The Night" and "I Really Love You". I see a couple of you guys say the songs "exist". Other than reading somewhere that they indeed "exist", have you heard them yourselves? I know they exist, but are they in circulation amongst collectors? 'Cause I've never heard them.

Yes, I heard it once, but it's not in circulation.
I only heard it played under special circumstances.

You were drunk?

[bgas]

Somebody asked me last night if I have heard "Behold The Night" and "I Really Love You". I see a couple of you guys say the songs "exist". Other than reading somewhere that they indeed "exist", have you heard them yourselves? I know they exist, but are they in circulation amongst collectors? 'Cause I've never heard them.

Yes, I heard it once, but it's not in circulation.
I only heard it played under special circumstances.

You were drunk?

He was dreaming

[Cabinessenceking]

The Wild Honey outtakes

'Honey Come Home' something?

[leggo of my ego]

Also, the other two Jasper Dailey Songs

  If those are like Teetertotterlove they should stay lost. 

[37!ws]

"Sweetie" definitely exists -- one of the "Dutch imports" has them...I think The Wilson Project but I could be wrong.

[punkinhead]

Somebody asked me last night if I have heard "Behold The Night" and "I Really Love You". I see a couple of you guys say the songs "exist". Other than reading somewhere that they indeed "exist", have you heard them yourselves? I know they exist, but are they in circulation amongst collectors? 'Cause I've never heard them.

Yes, I heard it once, but it's not in circulation.
I only heard it played under special circumstances.

You were drunk?

He was dreaming

That or I was with someone who had access to it...think about it.

[chrs_mrgn]

paging metal flake paint to the thread

[Jim V.]

"Sweetie" definitely exists -- one of the "Dutch imports" has them...I think The Wilson Project but I could be wrong.

Well, we know that a demo version of "Sweetie" exists, but I was referring to the official studio version, which apparently is a shared lead by Brian, Mike and Al.