Beach Boys Survivor #12 WINNER: HEROES AND VILLAINS

[pixletwin]

It shouldn't matter how the song fits on the album. You vote for your favorite song as long as it's ON THE ALBUM! Good Vibrations is on Smiley Smile - due to the need of a smash single on the album or not, it's still there. The fact that so many board members are voting off one of the most essential songs in the catalog is baffling.

I agree 100%. A few rounds ago I tried to vote of GV but my mind changed for the exact reason you state.

[alf wiedersehen]

H&V

[bluesno1fann]

Little Pad

[Les P]

Wind Chimes

[Please delete my account]

H & V

[G.C]

VEGETABLES!

[Shady]

Wine Chimes 

[Gabo]

Little Pad

[shelter]

My vote is to Good Vibrations, which belongs on this album about as much as a mustache belongs on the Mona Lisa

Again, that's not what this is about. We're voting through each round to get to the final best TRACK from those that APPEAR on the album.  By the time we're finished it's about the best OF the bunch, not about the bunch itself.  But some people keep wanting to be obtuse. 

Nonsense. There's nothing obtuse about it.

As I said before:

If we were just voting for 'Best Songs' then why bother with the album-by-album format? Personally i'm voting for each song based on a number of factors, including how well it fits on the album - and GV doesn't fit on Smiley.

Whether it was meant for Smile or not, it fits, owing to the production. However, production-wise it doesn't fit on Smiley and that's not something that can just be ignored when being asked to vote for your 'Favourite song on Smiley Smile'.

It shouldn't matter how the song fits on the album. You vote for your favorite song as long as it's ON THE ALBUM! Good Vibrations is on Smiley Smile - due to the need of a smash single on the album or not, it's still there. The fact that so many board members are voting off one of the most essential songs in the catalog is baffling.

So context is totally irrelevent??

In this context, yes. 

[shelter]

Little Pad.

[2 and a half]

It shouldn't matter how the song fits on the album. You vote for your favorite song as long as it's ON THE ALBUM! Good Vibrations is on Smiley Smile - due to the need of a smash single on the album or not, it's still there. The fact that so many board members are voting off one of the most essential songs in the catalog is baffling.

I disagree 100% - if the context of the album is irrelevant the whole point of this exercise is lost imho. Let's all vote for our favourite Beach Boys song that begins with the letter "D" instead.

[2 and a half]

Little Pad - either with or without context 

[buddhahat]

My vote is to Good Vibrations, which belongs on this album about as much as a mustache belongs on the Mona Lisa

Again, that's not what this is about. We're voting through each round to get to the final best TRACK from those that APPEAR on the album.  By the time we're finished it's about the best OF the bunch, not about the bunch itself.  But some people keep wanting to be obtuse.  

Nonsense. There's nothing obtuse about it.

As I said before:

If we were just voting for 'Best Songs' then why bother with the album-by-album format? Personally i'm voting for each song based on a number of factors, including how well it fits on the album - and GV doesn't fit on Smiley.

Whether it was meant for Smile or not, it fits, owing to the production. However, production-wise it doesn't fit on Smiley and that's not something that can just be ignored when being asked to vote for your 'Favourite song on Smiley Smile'.

It shouldn't matter how the song fits on the album. You vote for your favorite song as long as it's ON THE ALBUM! Good Vibrations is on Smiley Smile - due to the need of a smash single on the album or not, it's still there. The fact that so many board members are voting off one of the most essential songs in the catalog is baffling.

If anything's baffling it's this constant need to dictate THE RULES and some sort of official criteria for voting songs off. Whatever happened to free choice and the right to express personal opinions? Oh I forgot, it's a Beach Boys board.

This is not a 'vote for the BB's most worthy song' poll. It's a poll that, by its very nature, considers the album and how songs relate to one another within the context of the album. Therefore voting a song off based on whether it fits with the other songs is entirely rational and in line with the aim of the game.

To suggest people are voting off GV to be obtuse is blinkered to say the least.

My vote goes to Wind Chimes.

[Disney Boy (1985)]

My vote is to Good Vibrations, which belongs on this album about as much as a mustache belongs on the Mona Lisa

Again, that's not what this is about. We're voting through each round to get to the final best TRACK from those that APPEAR on the album.  By the time we're finished it's about the best OF the bunch, not about the bunch itself.  But some people keep wanting to be obtuse.  

Nonsense. There's nothing obtuse about it.

As I said before:

If we were just voting for 'Best Songs' then why bother with the album-by-album format? Personally i'm voting for each song based on a number of factors, including how well it fits on the album - and GV doesn't fit on Smiley.

Whether it was meant for Smile or not, it fits, owing to the production. However, production-wise it doesn't fit on Smiley and that's not something that can just be ignored when being asked to vote for your 'Favourite song on Smiley Smile'.

It shouldn't matter how the song fits on the album. You vote for your favorite song as long as it's ON THE ALBUM! Good Vibrations is on Smiley Smile - due to the need of a smash single on the album or not, it's still there. The fact that so many board members are voting off one of the most essential songs in the catalog is baffling.

If anything's baffling it's this constant need to dictate THE RULES and some sort of official criteria for voting songs off. Whatever happened to free choice and the right to express personal opinions? Oh I forgot, it's a Beach Boys board.

This is not a 'vote for the BB's most worthy song' poll. It's a poll that, by its very nature, considers the album and how songs relate to one another within the context of the album. Therefore voting a song off based on whether it fits with the other songs is entirely rational and in line with the aim of the game.

To suggest people are voting off GV to be obtuse is blinkered to say the least.

My vote goes to Wind Chimes.

This. Well put.

Good Vibrations.

[Fall Breaks]

Little Pad

[Matt H]

Little Pad

[Ovi]

I completely agree with the fact that voting tracks based on how well they fit within the album is an entirely valid criteria, but strongly disagree about Good Vibrations being out-of-place on Smiley Smile.

Anyway, Heroes and Villains is my vote.

[beacharg]

Wind Chimes

[TimeToGetAlone]

Little Pad.

While I don't necessarily agree with Good Vibrations getting out, if a song's relationship to its album is someone's criteria I can't really disregard it.  That being said, that it almost went out before Gettin' Hungry was kind of a joke IMO.  Not saying the occasional person doesn't prefer it, but I know most would consider GV far far superior, and I think quality needs to count for something in these polls as well.

[Disney Boy (1985)]

If anything's baffling it's this constant need to dictate THE RULES and some sort of official criteria for voting songs off. Whatever happened to free choice and the right to express personal opinions? Oh I forgot, it's a Beach Boys board.

This is not a 'vote for the BB's most worthy song' poll. It's a poll that, by its very nature, considers the album and how songs relate to one another within the context of the album. Therefore voting a song off based on whether it fits with the other songs is entirely rational and in line with the aim of the game.

To suggest people are voting off GV to be obtuse is blinkered to say the least.

My vote goes to Wind Chimes.

This. Well put.

Good Vibrations.

GV is out of the game. Pick another track. And I second buddhahat's post, there can be multiple reasons for voting off certain song. Including the "fits/doesn't fit" one. If that's what bothers people & not sth. substantial like "creepy melody", "goofy lyrics", "chipmunk voices" etc., then so be it.

Oh yeah, I didn't notice (got distracted). In that case: Little Pad.

[Marcella]

Wind Chimes.

I am disappointed that so many treat Pixletwin's polls as "greatest hit" type rankings. Album has everything to do with context. I teach high school kids and I hate the way music today is viewed almost completely as a "singles"-based industry. My students pick and choose their favorite tracks from their favorite artists and stick their earbuds in or pop their Beats headphones on their heads and are done with it. When I put Friends on I don't want to listen to Wouldn't It Be Nice or This Whole World, even though those are some of my favorite BB tracks. Likewise, when I put on Smiley Smile, I don't want to hear Good Vibrations. Not to mention that historically Little Girl I Once Knew is the bridge to Pet Sounds, and GV is the bridge to SMiLE. Ranking GV as the best Smiley Smile track would be akin to ranking George W. Bush's handing of the 9/11 attacks (of 2001) as the greatest feat of his 2nd Presidential term (2004-2008). But again, just one of many opinions on an opinion board. I don't get seriously rankled by any of this. Love the polls and love the discourse, which is why I'm here….

[shelter]

I agree that GV is not exactly representative for what Smiley Smile is about as a whole. But since it is one of the songs that make up the album, I think it's just as much a Smiley Smile song as Little Pad, Gettin' Hungry or She's Goin' Bald is. Each of these songs are 1/11 of Smiley Smile.

[Domino]

Vegetables. It's inferior to the Smileversion.

[pixletwin]

Little Pad lasted a little longer than it should have, IMO!

Okay here we are at the final round. Remember to vote for the one remaining track that you like THE BEST.

Vote for your MOST FAVORITE TRACK

Votes will be tallied on December 13th.

Heroes And Villains
Vegetables
Wind Chimes

Round#1 - Fall Breaks And Back To Winter November 18
Round#2 - She's Goin' Bald November 20
Round#3 - Gettin' Hungry November 26
Round#4 - Whistle In December 2
Round#5 - With Me Tonight December 4
Round#6 - Wonderful December 6
Round#7 - Good Vibrations December 9 
Round#8 - Little Pad December 11

I love the organ on Heroes and Villains. I love the minimalism of Vegatables. I dig the creepiness of Windchimes.. This is a tough one. The toughest, for me.

My favorite is... Wind Chimes. I think it pretty much provides everything in Smileysmile that is good in just one track.

VOTE!!!

[leggo of my ego]

Heros & Villians