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« on: September 17, 2013, 03:27:05 AM »

I was reluctant to start this for a while at first, but after seeing a lot of Pink Floyd (and to a lesser extent, Syd Barrett) fans on this forum, I've changed my mind Smiley
Overrated: Wish You Were Here
Underrated: The Final Cut (although Meddle and A Saucerful Of Secrets come close)
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2013, 04:18:44 AM »

I agree with both. I love 'Wish You Were Here', but it kind of pales when compared to those around it (Dark Side, Animals, Wall, Cut). The middle tracks don't really do much for me - Welcome To The Machine, Have A Cigar and the title track are just OK. Love Shine On though, incredible pieces of music.

And 'The Final Cut'....oh man, I could write books on that album. It blew my 16-year old mind, I used to listen to it alongside Dark Side each night while in bed with eyes closed, before going to sleep. I still think it's one of the most intense, atmospheric, captivating, emotionally-powerful and knee-weakening albums ever recorded.

But generally speaking, I really think every Pink Floyd album (until Waters left, that is) has something to offer, in its own unique way. I'm mainly a Waters fan, but I couldn't do without any Floyd "era" before 77-83 either.
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2013, 07:28:38 AM »

Over Rated: Division Bell...
Underrated: Adam Heart Mother
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2013, 02:47:14 PM »

Overrated: Animals (Perhaps the most pretentious album Roger Waters ever made)
Underrated: The Final Cut
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2013, 03:58:11 PM »

Underrated: Obscured By Clouds.

Just might be the best thing they ever did. Best playing, best singing, best songs, best everything but sleeve Razz

Overrated: ...... Piper! ....... (ducks and runs)
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2013, 10:18:13 AM »

Overrated: "The Wall". Everyone thinks it's the best album ever, however, I disagree. I mean, I think it's an okay album, but when you look back at the whole Pink Floyd catalogue, The Wall sort of comes out of nowhere. A once very democratic band now dominated by one writer and session musicians. Everyone says "Another Brick In The Wall Pt. 2" is a "classic", but in reality, it's one of the most un-Pink Floyd songs out there (catchy, disco? Not words used to describe Pink Floyd). Parts of the album are very good, but some of it just drags along. Throw in Roger Waters massive ego thing goin' on at the time (see "The Trial"), and you have an overrated album. Props to the stage show though. Overblown, but cool.

Underrated: "More". Now here's an album. David sings all the leads, and he does it well. Half of the album is very mellow ("Cymbaline", "Green Is The Colour") and the rest is straight up rock ("Nile Song", "Ibiza Bar"). Considering that this was one of their first efforts without Syd, this is a pretty solid effort. A nice album to listen too on a quiet night at home. One of my absolute favorites. Even "Quicksilver".
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2013, 12:56:38 PM »

Overrated: "The Wall". Everyone thinks it's the best album ever, however, I disagree. I mean, I think it's an okay album, but when you look back at the whole Pink Floyd catalogue, The Wall sort of comes out of nowhere. A once very democratic band now dominated by one writer and session musicians. Everyone says "Another Brick In The Wall Pt. 2" is a "classic", but in reality, it's one of the most un-Pink Floyd songs out there (catchy, disco? Not words used to describe Pink Floyd). Parts of the album are very good, but some of it just drags along. Throw in Roger Waters massive ego thing goin' on at the time (see "The Trial"), and you have an overrated album. Props to the stage show though. Overblown, but cool.

Underrated: "More". Now here's an album. David sings all the leads, and he does it well. Half of the album is very mellow ("Cymbaline", "Green Is The Colour") and the rest is straight up rock ("Nile Song", "Ibiza Bar"). Considering that this was one of their first efforts without Syd, this is a pretty solid effort. A nice album to listen too on a quiet night at home. One of my absolute favorites. Even "Quicksilver".

I agree completely but want to point out that The Wall was MOSTLY performed by Dave, Nick, Rick, and er, Roger on most of the vocals and some bass. Another Brick In The Wall 2, for instance is just Dave, Nick, Rick, Roger, with the engineer on roto toms. Most songs are just the four Floyds with the exception of Mother (Jeff Pocoro on drums) and obvious songs like Bring The Boys Back Home and The Trial  that have a full orchestra, and Is There Anyone Out There with Lee Ritnoir on classical guitar, who Dave brought in because he didn't think he was right for it himself.  The idea that Rick played almost nothing was perpetuated because all involved were pretty pissed at him for many a year over his lack of enthusiasm or coke habit, or whatever, but Bob Ezrin and others have since noted that he played on a lot more of the album than people think, and there are also books with session details/breakdowns and Rick's all over the album.
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2013, 01:35:34 PM »

Overrated: Every album after Piper. Underrated: Piper, Madcap Laughs
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2013, 01:38:01 PM »

Overrated: Every album after Piper.

Have you heard them all?
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2013, 01:44:33 PM »

Saucerful could have used a lot more Syd.
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2013, 01:51:18 PM »

Syd stuff is basically a different band. If you like the Syd band but dislike the next 20 or so years of stuff, fair enough, but it doesn't mean the post Syd band is overrated.
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2013, 01:57:51 PM »

A bit off topic, but smiley member soniclovenoise has some excellent remix/fantasy albums he posted on his blog of a "what if" Syd stayed in Pink Floyd until 1970. They are excellent and worth a perusal by any early Floyd/Syd fans.

http://albumsthatneverwere.blogspot.com/2013_02_01_archive.html
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2013, 01:58:11 PM »

Saucerful could have used a lot more Syd.

I think the rest of the Floyd would agree but "a lot more Syd" wasn't exactly possible, was it?
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2013, 02:22:17 PM »

The Wall is over rated. It's OK but I like all the albums before it better.
Piper still isn't given enough credit. Just amazingly good.
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2013, 04:12:49 PM »

Most overrated: THE WALL
Most underrated: PIPER AT THE GATES OF DAWN
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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2013, 04:19:20 PM »

Saucerful could have used a lot more Syd.

I like Saucerful a lot, it has elements of Syd's songwriting, but it also had some of the group pushing outwards, exploring new territories. However, I would love the album even more if Syd was more involved (or if it had Syd's other songs from this period.)

Piper still isn't given enough credit. Just amazingly good.

Piper is an odd album. It's the album that no one knows about, despite being the debut from one of the biggest bands of all time. It's like Pink Floyd's biggest secret.
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2013, 04:30:25 PM »

Saucerful could have used a lot more Syd.

I like Saucerful a lot, it has elements of Syd's songwriting, but it also had some of the group pushing outwards, exploring new territories. However, I would love the album even more if Syd was more involved (or if it had Syd's other songs from this period.)

Piper still isn't given enough credit. Just amazingly good.

Piper is an odd album. It's the album that no one knows about, despite being the debut from one of the biggest bands of all time. It's like Pink Floyd's biggest secret.

TONS of people think (or at least say) Piper is The Floyd's best album. David Bowie has even said it. I don't think it's underrated at all. Any Floyd fan knows the Syd story and at least highly respects Piper even if it's not their personal favorite.

I really do think Obscured By Clouds is the most underrated/forgotten because it falls between Meddle and Dark Side, and Meddle is generally acknowledged as the big ramp-up to Darkside....
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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2013, 04:46:47 PM »

Saucerful could have used a lot more Syd.

I like Saucerful a lot, it has elements of Syd's songwriting, but it also had some of the group pushing outwards, exploring new territories. However, I would love the album even more if Syd was more involved (or if it had Syd's other songs from this period.)

Piper still isn't given enough credit. Just amazingly good.

Piper is an odd album. It's the album that no one knows about, despite being the debut from one of the biggest bands of all time. It's like Pink Floyd's biggest secret.

TONS of people think (or at least say) Piper is The Floyd's best album. David Bowie has even said it. I don't think it's underrated at all. Any Floyd fan knows the Syd story and at least highly respects Piper even if it's not their personal favorite.

Oh, no doubt that big music fans know of it's existence.

But, let's say I was to walk around and ask people if to name all the Pink Floyd albums they knew. How many people would I have to ask that question until someone said The Piper at the Gates of Dawn? How many The Dark Side of the Moon's or The Wall's would I get comparatively?

What I meant is that the early Floyd stuff really gets overshadowed by those later albums.
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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2013, 04:53:29 PM »

Saucerful could have used a lot more Syd.

I like Saucerful a lot, it has elements of Syd's songwriting, but it also had some of the group pushing outwards, exploring new territories. However, I would love the album even more if Syd was more involved (or if it had Syd's other songs from this period.)

Piper still isn't given enough credit. Just amazingly good.

Piper is an odd album. It's the album that no one knows about, despite being the debut from one of the biggest bands of all time. It's like Pink Floyd's biggest secret.

TONS of people think (or at least say) Piper is The Floyd's best album. David Bowie has even said it. I don't think it's underrated at all. Any Floyd fan knows the Syd story and at least highly respects Piper even if it's not their personal favorite.

Oh, no doubt that big music fans know of it's existence.

But, let's say I was to walk around and ask people if to name all the Pink Floyd albums they knew. How many people would I have to ask that question until someone said The Piper at the Gates of Dawn? How many The Dark Side of the Moon's or The Wall's would I get comparatively?

What I meant is that the early Floyd stuff really gets overshadowed by those later albums.

Depends on what part of town you're in....

There are also people who will just answer "Syd Barrett rules! Pink Floyd sucks otherwise"
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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2013, 05:07:55 PM »

Saucerful could have used a lot more Syd.

I like Saucerful a lot, it has elements of Syd's songwriting, but it also had some of the group pushing outwards, exploring new territories. However, I would love the album even more if Syd was more involved (or if it had Syd's other songs from this period.)

Piper still isn't given enough credit. Just amazingly good.

Piper is an odd album. It's the album that no one knows about, despite being the debut from one of the biggest bands of all time. It's like Pink Floyd's biggest secret.

TONS of people think (or at least say) Piper is The Floyd's best album. David Bowie has even said it. I don't think it's underrated at all. Any Floyd fan knows the Syd story and at least highly respects Piper even if it's not their personal favorite.

Oh, no doubt that big music fans know of it's existence.

But, let's say I was to walk around and ask people if to name all the Pink Floyd albums they knew. How many people would I have to ask that question until someone said The Piper at the Gates of Dawn? How many The Dark Side of the Moon's or The Wall's would I get comparatively?

What I meant is that the early Floyd stuff really gets overshadowed by those later albums.

Depends on what part of town you're in....

There are also people who will just answer "Syd Barrett rules! Pink Floyd sucks otherwise"


It's amazing the number of conversations I've had with people - granted AVERAGE music fans, NOT like us - and we'll talk about groups we like. And, somebody will mention that they like Pink Floyd. I immediately ask if they ever heard of Syd Barrett, and am usually met with a "no"! Shocked Angry
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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2013, 05:15:08 PM »

Yeah, I've had that happen too...

When I lived in San Francisco, I met many a Syd obsessive who dismissed the rest of Floyd, and I live in a pretty hip part of LA where it's all Syd. Syd. Syd..... But these are the exceptions, I guess.

It's funny how it went from overpraise of Roger to overpraise of Dave and now it's fashionable to criticize Dave as a guitarist and how Roger is now the nice guy..... With Rick and Nick left out of the conversation as usual.
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2013, 05:29:54 PM »

Overrated - Dark Side of The Moon & Wish You Where Here. I just don't consider them quantum leaps from their earlier 70s stuff.

Underrated - Atom Heart Mother or Obscured By Clouds. I love the title track of the former and as Pinder has already mentioned Obscured seems to get lost in the shuffle between Meddle and the massive breakthrough of Dark Side despite having some fantastic stuff on it. It's also Nick Mason's favourite Pink Floyd album.
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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2013, 05:36:58 PM »

Overrated - Dark Side of The Moon & Wish You Where Here. I just don't consider them quantum leaps from their earlier 70s stuff.

Underrated - Atom Heart Mother or Obscured By Clouds. I love the title track of the former and as Pinder has already mentioned Obscured seems to get lost in the shuffle between Meddle and the massive breakthrough of Dark Side despite having some fantastic stuff on it. It's also Nick Mason's favourite Pink Floyd album.

Wow, I didn't know that about Nick Mason!  ..... His playing is great on Obscured By Clouds in particular. More loose and "normal" band-ish: propelling/driving the songs rather than just a piece of the overall picture/puzzle as it is on the post Dark Side stuff. Maybe them just going in and hashing out some tunes without some overarching concept was freeing to him?

Also, the fact that Obscured By Clouds is a soundtrack album has causes casual Floyd fans to not seek it out thinking it's just background music or something.... Same with More.
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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2013, 11:17:35 PM »

I thought I read somewhere that Nick Mason said that "Animals" was his favourite Pink Floyd album...
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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2013, 12:53:43 AM »

I thought I read somewhere that Nick Mason said that "Animals" was his favourite Pink Floyd album...

Maybe Nick's pulling a 'Brian Wilson'? Next he'll be claiming Ummagumma is his favourite...


Wow, I didn't know that about Nick Mason!  ..... His playing is great on Obscured By Clouds in particular. More loose and "normal" band-ish: propelling/driving the songs rather than just a piece of the overall picture/puzzle as it is on the post Dark Side stuff. Maybe them just going in and hashing out some tunes without some overarching concept was freeing to him?


That in a nutshell is pretty much why the post Dark Side Floyd is much less fun for me. I recall reading that Obscured By Clouds was basically them getting the call "Do you want to make the music for this film?" and them doing it on the fly. It's conceivable that they may have even made it during the time they were putting Dark Side together. "Stay" is one of the best things they ever did.


Also, the fact that Obscured By Clouds is a soundtrack album has causes casual Floyd fans to not seek it out thinking it's just background music or something.... Same with More.
Don't forget Zabriskie Point! (although, admittedly there is some crap on that one)
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