Billboard ariticle on Mike and song writing w/ Brian issues from last album

[Nicko1234]

No, his point seems to be that it's ironic Mike Love is complaining about not getting enough songwriting credits when he prevented others from getting songwriting credits. He seems to be enjoying it enough to say what goes around comes around twice.

Yes but he makes the point because HIS song wasn't included.

[filledeplage]

I dunno, but perusing this list... the unifying strand seems to be Brian Wilson music with Beach Boys singing the words. Doesn't matter whose words as long as it's those gorgeous harmonies with the right genetic mix!

If you think Mike sells out show after show in 2013, clearly our definitions of objective are wildly divergent.

The rest of your post had too many quotes and condescension to address, so let's just agree to disagree and go play "Student Demonstration Time" 12 times to clear our sinuses.

Yeah, baby Student Demonstration Time!  

I was at a sold out show last week! No seats in the house, is objective.  When the box office says, "sorry no tickets" - that is objective.  And when Brian tours, I'll see him, too. The music is all good.  The politics; not so much.

[ontor pertawst]

No, his point seems to be that it's ironic Mike Love is complaining about not getting enough songwriting credits when he prevented others from getting songwriting credits. He seems to be enjoying it enough to say what goes around comes around twice.

Yes but he makes the point because HIS song wasn't included.

Right. And it's amusing to him because it's just what Mike Love did to them.

You're not processing that part because it reflects poorly on Mike Love. It's gotta be this greedy songwriter who is wrong! And that damn Jardine! Only Mike is reasonable and justified in his actions.

I was at a sold out show last week! No seats in the house, is objective.

Selling out A show would be factually accurate, then. Not show after show. Because he isn't, look at the audience vids on youtube from this year and the empty seats. I'm told Shamu was especially depressed at the turnout.

Guys, sorry. He's a fun frontman, a great part of C50, was once a fine pop lyricist and an astonishingly poor sax player. But he doesn't give good interviews, never has and never did himself any favors with displays of sour grapes like this. You're going to have to be working overtime the next few years to spin his outburts... that movie is bound to get him frothing at the mouth!

When the next rounds of books are written about The Beach Boys and those final chapters, what are journalists going to use? These damn interviews, these stupid sour quotes. Way to add to the legacy, Mike. The legacy of blowing it.

[KittyKat]

Mike should be grateful he's not Brian. He doesn't depend on others to make decisions for him and no one controls him. Mike should enjoy his touring with his band and his house in Lake Tahoe and his lovely family and just forget about working with Brian again.

[Nicko1234]

Right. And it's amusing to him because it's just what Mike Love did to them.

You're not processing that part because it reflects poorly on Mike Love. It's gotta be this greedy songwriter who is wrong! And that damn Jardine! Only Mike is reasonable and justified in his actions.

That's amusing but not related to anything I've written.

Mike doesn't want to tour with Brian or the other guys and is giving reasons to justify that which I don't think are 100% true or accurate or whatever. But I don't expect him to come out and say, 'on my own I can live an easy life, keep the costs low and have sex with numerous unfortunates' so I don't care.

My point was that Dvoskin's comments are also self-serving and we know that Mike certainly wasn't the only person to be against the song he wrote. I'm not sure why anyone would think Mike would be in support of Al having songs on the album anyway as that was never a big part of the band's success...

[SurfRiderHawaii]

While just a rehash of the interview we are discussing, a few more little tidbits.

The negativity just  grows by Mr. Positivity. There is a reason this guy has one of the worst reputations in rock n roll. I just wonder why he can't just shut the fu$k up and do his Fun, Fun, Fun oldies shows in peace.

I would think the general public, reading this, wouldn't wanna be stuck in a room with Mike either,

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/mike-love-unhappy-beach-boys-reunion/

[Nicko1234]

While just a rehash of the interview we are discussing, a few more little tidbits.

The negativity just  grows by Mr. Positivity. There is a reason this guy has one of the worst reputations in rock n roll. I just wonder why he can't just shut the fu$k up and do his Fun, Fun, Fun oldies shows in peace.

I would think the general public, reading this, wouldn't wanna be stuck in a room with Mike either,

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/mike-love-unhappy-beach-boys-reunion/

It is indeed just a rehash.

[guitarfool2002]

I can't get past the fact that none of this stuff would be an issue if Mike didn't bring it up. He's been handling the media and interviews since the early 60's, he does a great job promoting and being upbeat about whatever product is set to hit the shelves (including the C50 tour, the album, the Smile Sessions box, etc.) so obviously he knows how to work a press junket...

Why not just avoid talking about it? And if asked directly, politely dodge the question!

If you're trying to put out a fire, would you throw water or gasoline on the fire?  

I don't get it.

[ontor pertawst]

Jesus, the picture they used.



"Hey little boy, would you like to see my ROOM?"

[Nicko1234]

Jesus, the picture they used.



"Hey little boy, would you like to see my ROOM?"

What are you thinking?

[ontor pertawst]

What are you thinking?

I'm thinking they picked the creepiest pic they could find! Geez, they might as well have drawn fangs.

[mikeddonn]

Except it's possible that that thing called 'ego' means he can't forget it.  He will possibly always feel the need to talk up his part in the Beach Boys story.  The thing is he doesn't have to.  I'm sure most people on here would thank Mike and be glad of his contributions to the legacy.  It's when he tries to go beyond that people get irritated (to put it mildly).  He's not McCartney.  But he did have a big part.  Ultimately because he's always been painted as the bad guy and screwed on songwriting credits he will always feel the need to remind everyone of his importance and that he was the guy who came up with this and that, including the concept for Back in the USSR.  Or that Kokomo didn't have Brian on it.  How many times do you hear Brian in an interview say, "yeah, I was the guy who wrote or co-wrote just about every hit we ever had.  We had many that weren't written by Mike Love.  I'm a genius"? Brian is actually relatively modest, and mentions how Mike has the best voice etc.  

Also regarding Mike being good a writer for different genres unlike a Roger Christian, didn't somebody say here that anyone could've picked up a surfing magazine back in the day and name check all the surf spots for Surfin' USA?  That was the whole point about Brian choosing different collaborators for different projects.  He obviously felt Mike was a bit of a jack-of-all trades, master of none (or one) lyricist.  Just my opinion of course.

[Jim V.]

the Band

I know this is lame of me, but could you please stop capitalizing "the Band". I'm pretty sure Robbie Robertson and Levon Helm weren't ever in The Beach Boys, and whenever I see that it makes me think of that "Band" rather than The Beach Boys

[Lowbacca]

What are you thinking?

I'm thinking they picked the creepiest pic they could find! Geez, they might as well have drawn fangs.

 




P.S. There still is a typo in the thread title . .  

[SurfRiderHawaii]

While just a rehash of the interview we are discussing, a few more little tidbits.

The negativity just  grows by Mr. Positivity. There is a reason this guy has one of the worst reputations in rock n roll. I just wonder why he can't just shut the fu$k up and do his Fun, Fun, Fun oldies shows in peace.

I would think the general public, reading this, wouldn't wanna be stuck in a room with Mike either,

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/mike-love-unhappy-beach-boys-reunion/

It is indeed just a rehash.

Just read another one on another classic rock site. A bigger question is why Mike, and Brian, Al, ....... are doing interviews pumping MIC?

[Jim V.]

An interesting comment from Larry Dvoskin there:

"What you sow is what you reap, come to mind:

Mike 1000% c*ck blocked Al Jardine & Bruce from having any of their songs on the record out of self interest. "Waves Of Love" written by Al Jardine & myself features a guest vocal by late , great Carl Wilson and was declared by the CEO of Clear Channel to be the BEST NEW Beach Boys song in 30 years....

Now That's Why God Made The Radio..and if you stand in the way of the best music foot forward...

What goes around comes around..."

No offense to this Dvoskin guy, but didn't he also call "Waves of Love" his and Al's Pet Sounds or something? I'm pretty sure he has a pretty high opinion of his own work. Kinda seems like a goof if you ask me.

And the quote about the Clear Channel CEO? Who gives a sh*t what he thinks? The song was probably the only new Beach Boys song he'd heard in 30 years besides "Kokomo".

But it is interesting that if Mike really wanted to be better represented on the album, wouldn't it make sense to work together with Al and Bruce to get their work on there? But obviously he doesn't wanna associate with that asshole Jardine.

[ontor pertawst]

But it is interesting that if Mike really wanted to be better represented on the album, wouldn't it make sense to work together with Al and Bruce to get their work on there? But obviously he doesn't wanna associate with that asshole Jardine.

Yeah, wouldn't that come off sounding so much better in the press, too?

I don't think they should've put a Carl vocal on the album.So probably the right call unless they could work overdub magic. For something like Made in California, sure. Would've slotted in nicely!

[Lowbacca]

No offense to this Dvoskin guy, but didn't he also call "Waves of Love" his and Al's Pet Sounds or something?

I dig "Waves of Love" but it sounds nothing like Pet Sounds material.

[ontor pertawst]

Jeff Beck said the new stuff...

... sounds like Pet Sounds.

[Lowbacca]

Jeff Beck said the new stuff...

... sounds like Pet Sounds.

Al also said TWGMTR would be "like Pet Sounds" months before the release.


...


Do you guys think MiC will be as good as Pet Sounds...?

[mikeddonn]

Yeah, the song itself isn't the best they've ever done.  Maybe that's why Brian politely declined (made his excuses and left the studio!).  I do like it but prefer "Don't Fight the Sea" out of those two songs.

[Nicko1234]

Yeah, wouldn't that come off sounding so much better in the press, too?

It would be complete BS though wouldn't it.

[ontor pertawst]

It would be complete BS though wouldn't it.

I don't mean he bullshit his way through interviews like he did on C50 and for Radio and lie, I mean actually working with Al and Bruce and even David to get songs on the album like sweetdudejim mentioned. Everything Mike Love says to the press doesn't have to AUTOMATICALLY be bullshit, you know. It'd be a lot more sympathetic sounding in the press as opposed to what's going on now. He didn't care about the other band members in this department, tho. So it sounds even more selfish and control freakish in the press.

It's all a big red herring anyway. He probably just had a falling out with Joe Thomas and resents sharing credit/power/access/limelight with the others. So let him bask in the credit due him now as a bit of a jerk with a fun touring band.

[Nicko1234]

I don't mean he bullshit his way through interviews like he did on C50 and for Radio and lie, I mean actually working with Al and Bruce and even David to get songs on the album like sweetdudejim mentioned. Everything Mike Love says to the press doesn't have to AUTOMATICALLY be bullshit, you know. It'd be a lot more sympathetic sounding in the press as opposed to what's going on now. He didn't care about the other band members in this department, tho. So it sounds even more selfish and control freakish in the press.

OK.

Mike is obviously (and probably delusionally) interested in going back to the 1965 era though which was about Mike and Brian songs.

If he'd campaigned for Al and Bruce's songs then there would have been less room for Brian and Mike songs (obviously) and Daybreak woudl have been a very possible casualty surely.

[ontor pertawst]

and Daybreak woudl have been a very possible casualty surely.

I know it's grim to contemplate a dark, alternate universe where Daybreak Over the Ocean isn't on the album... but dare to dream, sir!