Tongal Contests: California Feelin' & Goin' to the Beach

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Sad part is, with my financial situation the way it is, this is the closest I'll be able to get to MIC ;(

[zachrwolfe]

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[MarcellaHasDirtyFeet]

Christmas in July. Not a masterpiece, but a helluva song nonetheless. A few less "California Feelin'"s and more lyrics in their place and it would've been a classic!

Nah. Never mind. It's already a new classic

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Totally agree with that theory. Many of his high parts on Love You, for example, sound just like his Sunflower-era voice. I don't think his voice actually changed very much until Landy messed with him, tbh.

I think by 1979 (1980 at the very latest) there was no going back. I'm not saying there wasn't actual damage done to his voice prior, just that he wouldn't be able to recover after that. There are some 'odd' vocals after that, though; on some songs he actually uses his vocal style from the 1968-1971 time period, but it's not that obvious as his voice was shot by that point. Good example is the demo version of 'Don't Let Her Know She's an Angel' from 1986, or 'You're Still a Mystery'.

[EgoHanger1966]

WOW. That was just breathtakingly awesome. A new Beach Boys classic - THIS is what they should be releasing as a single, if anything, off the box. Is this the only song Brian AND Bruce sing lead on? So cool.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

WOW. That was just breathtakingly awesome. A new Beach Boys classic - THIS is what they should be releasing as a single, if anything, off the box. Is this the only song Brian AND Bruce sing lead on? So cool.

And Carl.

[EgoHanger1966]

WOW. That was just breathtakingly awesome. A new Beach Boys classic - THIS is what they should be releasing as a single, if anything, off the box. Is this the only song Brian AND Bruce sing lead on? So cool.

And Carl.

Right - but there have been songs where Carl and Brian have lead vocals on the same song - never Brian & Bruce, to my knowledge, though. I love Bruce's "sweet" sounding voice - always good to hear.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

WOW. That was just breathtakingly awesome. A new Beach Boys classic - THIS is what they should be releasing as a single, if anything, off the box. Is this the only song Brian AND Bruce sing lead on? So cool.

And Carl.

Right - but there have been songs where Carl and Brian have lead vocals on the same song - never Brian & Bruce, to my knowledge, though. I love Bruce's "sweet" sounding voice - always good to hear.

I know, just pointing out this track is Carl, Bruce, and Brian , and Brian's more of a cameo. Technically, you can add 'Deirdre' to that list (can it be a list if there are only two things on it? ) in that Bruce is the lead but Brian's the most prominent vocal in the chorus.

[Jim V.]

WOW. That was just breathtakingly awesome. A new Beach Boys classic - THIS is what they should be releasing as a single, if anything, off the box. Is this the only song Brian AND Bruce sing lead on? So cool.

And Carl.

Right - but there have been songs where Carl and Brian have lead vocals on the same song - never Brian & Bruce, to my knowledge, though. I love Bruce's "sweet" sounding voice - always good to hear.

In addition to "Deirdre", they both have lead parts on "At My Window". But Brian's part is spoken word so that doesn't count. More recently, there is "Isn't It Time". But yeah, good point, no Brian/Bruce duets really.

And is Eric Wareheim your avatar Billy?

[Fro]

California Feelin =   

The version of Goin' to the Beach has the horrible sax solo cut out, and they're apparently having a contest to dub in a new lead guitar track with solo.  Mark Linett and Alan Boyd are going to mix the winner into the track and that's going to be released as an alternate take.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Yup, sure is, Jim!

[Bud Shaver]

Have you listened to the Goin' To The Beach mp3?  It's doesn't have the 2013 overdubbed Sax and Guitar solo... pretty cool bonus I'd say.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Yes I have... personally I like it a lot

[Bud Shaver]

Yes I have... personally I like it a lot

I knew (from discussions here) that the guitar was new, I wasn't expecting the sax to be new, too. 

[seltaeb1012002]

As far as why Carl's voice is flat? That's generally how he sounded during that time period.

No, there's definitely something up with the vocal speed. It's on the whole vocal, but as a quick example, compare "skies" at 0:57 from the new mix to "skies" at 1:02 on the boot mix http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om5ocMQQ3d8

Right on pitch on the old version, pretty flat on the new version.

It's not a big deal, I'm actually not even sure how it would be possible. But, my ears picked it up upon listening, FWIW.

The 'new' version is the correct speed. I'd been told previously that several booted  tracks from that time period have some 'issues'. Whether they are like that due to watermarking or for other reasons, I've never been given a straight answer.

Interesting. And I don't doubt there's been some watermarking. That said, and I know I'm nerding out here Billy, I just lined up the two versions in my DAW and they are the same speed - only Carl's vocal is slightly flat on the new version (although the vocal runs at the same speed as the original). Audio - https://soundcloud.com/smile-a-d/calfeel. Notice the background harmonies and instruments blend fine together, minus some very slight phase issues - but there's a clearly defined "double tracked" effect on Carl's vocal due to the two pitches clashing with each other (starting at 0:15).

DonnyL or anyone knowledgeable on the subject of reel to reel, would love to hear your thoughts - Can pitch actually be altered on reel to reel over the years without affecting timing, or is there something else at play here?? I haven't heard it too many times, but I actually noticed a few instances of this when I was creating SMiLE AD - The "Wonderful" background vocals for instance.. in that case, the pitch was correct - but the timing was stretched out!

Again, its not a huge deal and doesn't take away from the enjoyment of the song. Just interesting technical sh*zz.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Can happen due to oxidation and/or general tape decay. I have several analog recordings from about 15 years ago that have that issue.

[EgoHanger1966]

WOW. That was just breathtakingly awesome. A new Beach Boys classic - THIS is what they should be releasing as a single, if anything, off the box. Is this the only song Brian AND Bruce sing lead on? So cool.

And Carl.

Right - but there have been songs where Carl and Brian have lead vocals on the same song - never Brian & Bruce, to my knowledge, though. I love Bruce's "sweet" sounding voice - always good to hear.

In addition to "Deirdre", they both have lead parts on "At My Window". But Brian's part is spoken word so that doesn't count. More recently, there is "Isn't It Time". But yeah, good point, no Brian/Bruce duets really.

And is Eric Wareheim your avatar Billy?

I wouldn't count Deirdre. At My Window is closer. I guess, though, Add Some Music would qualify.

Ooh, didn't even think to download that Goin' To The Beach....

[EgoHanger1966]

Have you listened to the Goin' To The Beach mp3?  It's doesn't have the 2013 overdubbed Sax and Guitar solo... pretty cool bonus I'd say.

After a listen I'd say that should be the verison on the box. Like it a lot. Sounds great.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Last time I messed around with Tongal they went ahead and created an account for me using my facebook photo and plastered my private life all over the internet. I'll wait.

[seltaeb1012002]

Can happen due to oxidation and/or general tape decay. I have several analog recordings from about 15 years ago that have that issue.

Oh yeah? Are those 4 track tapes?

Interesting that it affected Carl's vocal, yet, all the other tracks on the tape seem to be in good shape. It's a strange world.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Can happen due to oxidation and/or general tape decay. I have several analog recordings from about 15 years ago that have that issue.

Oh yeah? Are those 4 track tapes?

Interesting that it affected Carl's vocal, yet, all the other tracks on the tape seem to be in good shape. It's a strange world.

16-track ADAT.

BTW..I just listened to the 1974 Rollin' Up To Heaven and the 'new' CF back to back...Brian's falsetto sounds the same on both of them. Odd.

[Fro]

Have you listened to the Goin' To The Beach mp3?  It's doesn't have the 2013 overdubbed Sax and Guitar solo... pretty cool bonus I'd say.

After a listen I'd say that should be the verison on the box. Like it a lot. Sounds great.

If my buddy ends up submitting a lead guitar track, that one should be the one on the box.  He works for another famous music family right now.   

[Shady]

Beautiful, beautiful song.

The vocals, wow. Only the Beach Boys could make a song sound like it has a 20 piece choir when it's just them.

Can't wait to have it on CD.

[Amazing Larry]

Can happen due to oxidation and/or general tape decay. I have several analog recordings from about 15 years ago that have that issue.

Oh yeah? Are those 4 track tapes?

Interesting that it affected Carl's vocal, yet, all the other tracks on the tape seem to be in good shape. It's a strange world.

16-track ADAT.

BTW..I just listened to the 1974 Rollin' Up To Heaven and the 'new' CF back to back...Brian's falsetto sounds the same on both of them. Odd.

And when Brian says "Like most days" there's some piano leakage under it. Maybe the vocal IS from 1974.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Just noticed something...are we SURE Carl's voice is the same track as the booted version? And yeah, I caught the piano leakage is well. Another thing...Brian's falsetto at 1:47 and at the very end* sound completely different, like they were recorded at different times (or years...)Weird, huh?

*that's the one I referenced at my post above.