George Zimmerman declared not guilty of second-degree murder

[hypehat]

'Besides referring to his former fiancée as the “ex-hoe” Zimmerman made disparaging remarks about Mexicans living near his hometown of Manassas, Virginia, calling them “soft ass wanna be thugs” and accusing them of being car vandals. He even went as far as to say that every “Mexican” he saw held a knife to his throat. What these comments suggest is an “all or none” pattern of thinking, where he applies stereotypes and broad generalizations to ”every” member of a group or class.'

From... http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/16/zimmermans-old-myspace-account-reveals-racist-sexist-violent-behavior/#ixzz2ZRS1htR7

If you're not going to bother to read that, Zimmerman's attorney confirmed it was his account. So I don't know whether that defence flies? He was clearly, clearly bigoted.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

He is not white, he is hispanic

One's a race and the other is an ethnicity. He can be both.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans#cite_note-U.S._Census_Bureau-17

[Heysaboda]

Okay, whew calmed down I was a bit tense lol... sorry 'bout that.

My apologies too. heh heh "You may think that but I couldn't POSSIBLY comment..."

(watching House of Cards)

[drbeachboy]

He is not white, he is hispanic

One's a race and the other is an ethnicity. He can be both.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans#cite_note-U.S._Census_Bureau-17

I don't care what that says. Very few hispanics call themselves white. Whether it is race or ethnicity, they still use it as to identify themselves. You know that too. See, this is why we never get along and argue all the time. I work with Cuban-Americans who are as white as me and they don't call themselves white. They say they are Hispanic.

[Awesoman]

It's not unfair to criticize Zimmerman for how he handled the situation, but did he *really* deserve NBC deliberately editing the 911 phone call to make him look racist?

Well, seriosuly, what is your proof of this?  I've heard this accusation made about NBC (by people who watch Faux Gnus), but I've not seen the proof that NBC did this.  Let's hear it.  GZ's comments were basically racist,  right?  So it's hard to believe that any "editing" was needed.

Zimmerman did not make any racist comments in his 911 phone call.  Here is the evidence of the NBC controversy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qywt1ds7bSM

Here is the full transcript of the 911 call:  http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

No, I am also trying to look at the case objectively, perhaps you have your own agenda?  One person dead; one alive.  Just. Ice.

Being objective requires you to put your personal opinions and feelings aside and listening to all sides of the story.  If you are really trying to be objective, taking pot shots at Zimmerman's weight and appearance isn't exactly working in your favor.

[drbeachboy]

It's not unfair to criticize Zimmerman for how he handled the situation, but did he *really* deserve NBC deliberately editing the 911 phone call to make him look racist?

Well, seriosuly, what is your proof of this?  I've heard this accusation made about NBC (by people who watch Faux Gnus), but I've not seen the proof that NBC did this.  Let's hear it.  GZ's comments were basically racist,  right?  So it's hard to believe that any "editing" was needed.

Zimmerman did not make any racist comments in his 911 phone call.  Here is the evidence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qywt1ds7bSM

Here is the full transcript of the 911 call:  https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.documentcloud.org%2Fdocuments%2F326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html&ei=h4ToUZrNAZP09gTfoICIAQ&usg=AFQjCNF7JsLO8FEDrgnBsRKzZNN1Am9RbQ&sig2=6ByUW3dZ9Xm6KdtecI5iSw

No, I am also trying to look at the case objectively, perhaps you have your own agenda?  One person dead; one alive.  Just. Ice.

Being objective requires you to put your personal opinions and feelings aside and listening to all sides of the story.  If you are really trying to be objective, taking pot shots at Zimmerman's weight and appearance isn't exactly working in your favor.

Notice that he never answered my questions in post 128. I assume that he has made his mind up and no fact or truth or justice system will convince him otherwise. If Zimmerman is killed by some person exacting revenge, it will be by someone with the same kind of thinking who takes it a step too far.

[hypehat]

Yo Awesoman, that really doesn't disprove the fact that he was following him and called 911. Why is he following him? Because he's walking around? He does look black, mind. That's the only reason your supposedly damming youtube video shows. Of course, what they don't acknowledge at all is that Zimmerman felt threatened by a kid walking down a street, and confronted him with a loaded gun.


I mean, he called 911 about a TEENAGER walking through his neighbourhood and that he 'looks black'. Jesus.

[SMiLE Brian]

There are no good guys or bad guys in this case, just humans that made bad choices.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

He is not white, he is hispanic

One's a race and the other is an ethnicity. He can be both.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans#cite_note-U.S._Census_Bureau-17

I don't care what that says. Very few hispanics call themselves white. Whether it is race or ethnicity, they still use it as to identify themselves. You know that too. See, this is why we never get along and argue all the time. I work with Cuban-Americans who are as white as me and they don't call themselves white. They say they are Hispanic.

That's fine and I accept that. I do think that people should be able to self-identify as whatever they want. I'm white, but it's not necessarily how I want to be identified (I'd rather be identified as "father" or "Beach Boys fan"- and I mean that quite seriously!). So I do respect that. However, it also doesn't make what hypehat says wrong.

[drbeachboy]

He is not white, he is hispanic

One's a race and the other is an ethnicity. He can be both.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans#cite_note-U.S._Census_Bureau-17

I don't care what that says. Very few hispanics call themselves white. Whether it is race or ethnicity, they still use it as to identify themselves. You know that too. See, this is why we never get along and argue all the time. I work with Cuban-Americans who are as white as me and they don't call themselves white. They say they are Hispanic.

That's fine and I accept that. I do think that people should be able to self-identify as whatever they want. I'm white, but it's not necessarily how I want to be identified (I'd rather be identified as "father" or "Beach Boys fan"- and I mean that quite seriously!). So I do respect that. However, it also doesn't make what hypehat says wrong.

What has he identified himself as? I was referring to him being called white in here. Honestly, I called him hispanic, but really I never heard what he refers to himself as either.

[Awesoman]

Yo Awesoman, that really doesn't disprove the fact that he was following him and called 911.

It wasn't intended to disprove Zimmerman had followed Trayvon.  When was that in dispute?  

Of course, what they don't acknowledge at all is that Zimmerman felt threatened by a kid walking down a street, and confronted him with a loaded gun.


I mean, he called 911 about a TEENAGER walking through his neighbourhood and that he 'looks black'. Jesus.

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.  Do you *ever* have anything remotely rational or even logical to say??

[hypehat]

dr beachboy,

Wiki says that he was Hispanic (and you'd better believe that sh*t isn't constantly checked at this point in time), but that doesn't mean he can't discriminate against other minorities just because he belongs to a different one himself.

[hypehat]

Yo Awesoman, that really doesn't disprove the fact that he was following him and called 911.

It wasn't intended to disprove Zimmerman had followed Trayvon.  When was that in dispute?  

Of course, what they don't acknowledge at all is that Zimmerman felt threatened by a kid walking down a street, and confronted him with a loaded gun.


I mean, he called 911 about a TEENAGER walking through his neighbourhood and that he 'looks black'. Jesus.

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.  Do you *ever* have anything remotely rational or even logical to say??

How am I assuming anything? He was following a black teenager in his car because he was walking through his neighbourhood. He then called 911 because a black teenager was walking through his neighbourhood (and promptly accused him of robbery, when all he was doing was walking through the neighbourhood). When prompted by the 911 caller, he said the teenager was black.

Your shocking youtube video doesn't exonerate Zimmerman, it just confirms that George Zimmerman really did know he was pursuing a black man when he approached him with a loaded weapon.

[drbeachboy]

dr beachboy,

Wiki says that he was Hispanic (and you'd better believe that sh*t isn't constantly checked at this point in time), but that doesn't mean he can't discriminate against other minorities just because he belongs to a different one himself.

I never said he didn't. They just couldn't prove it in court. So, what would you like to be done now?

[hypehat]

dr beachboy,

Wiki says that he was Hispanic (and you'd better believe that sh*t isn't constantly checked at this point in time), but that doesn't mean he can't discriminate against other minorities just because he belongs to a different one himself.

I never said he didn't. They just couldn't prove it in court. So, what would you like to be done now?

Well, I hear the Federal Court might have a go on hate crimes...

[Chocolate Shake Man]

He is not white, he is hispanic

One's a race and the other is an ethnicity. He can be both.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans#cite_note-U.S._Census_Bureau-17

I don't care what that says. Very few hispanics call themselves white. Whether it is race or ethnicity, they still use it as to identify themselves. You know that too. See, this is why we never get along and argue all the time. I work with Cuban-Americans who are as white as me and they don't call themselves white. They say they are Hispanic.

That's fine and I accept that. I do think that people should be able to self-identify as whatever they want. I'm white, but it's not necessarily how I want to be identified (I'd rather be identified as "father" or "Beach Boys fan"- and I mean that quite seriously!). So I do respect that. However, it also doesn't make what hypehat says wrong.

What has he identified himself as? I was referring to him being called white in here. Honestly, I called him hispanic, but really I never heard what he refers to himself as either.

Good question. I have no idea.

[Awesoman]

How am I assuming anything? He was following a black teenager in his car because he was walking through his neighbourhood. He then called 911 because a black teenager was walking through his neighbourhood (and promptly accused him of robbery, when all he was doing was walking through the neighbourhood). When prompted by the 911 caller, he said the teenager was black.

Jesus, man.  No one is disputing that Zimmerman followed Trayvon.  No one is disputing he was suspicious of Trayvon.  And describing a person's ethnicity when asked point blank by someone on the other end of a phone call--exactly how is that considered racist?  Was Trayvon *not* black?  Are you that desperate to cling onto your astonishing level of narrow-mindedness?   

Your shocking youtube video doesn't exonerate Zimmerman, it just confirms that George Zimmerman really did know he was pursuing a black man when he approached him with a loaded weapon.

Quit dodging the main point here.  I was asked to provide evidence that NBC edited the 911 call to make Zimmerman look racist.  I did.  The clip shows the NBC news segment where they clearly edited it down to make Zimmerman look unfavorable in the public eye.  Several NBC producers were fired over it.  Zimmerman's team is taking them to court.  Those are facts. 

[hypehat]

All your youtube does is show that Zimmerman knew exactly what he was doing - he had no doubt that he was following a black man. He decided to follow him of his own accord, before calling the police. And Zimmerman is on record as being racist. That's the important part. It adds considerable motive, or hate crime status, to stalking  a kid with a gun. What does the removal of the dispatchers question have to do with it? It doesn't alter his intention in any way.

[rab2591]

All your youtube does is show that Zimmerman knew exactly what he was doing - he had no doubt that he was following a black man. He decided to follow him of his own accord, before calling the police. And Zimmerman is on record as being racist. That's the important part. It adds considerable motive, or hate crime status, to stalking  a kid with a gun. What does the removal of the dispatchers question have to do with it? It doesn't alter his intention in any way.

I missed this, where on record is he a racist?

[Awesoman]

All your youtube does is show that Zimmerman knew exactly what he was doing - he had no doubt that he was following a black man. He decided to follow him of his own accord, before calling the police.

Again...*who* is disputing he was following Trayvon?  What is your point?

And Zimmerman is on record as being racist. What does the removal of the dispatchers question have to do with it?

Zimmerman is *not* on record as being a racist.  The FBI investigated this case and concluded there was no evidence of racism in play here.  Don't believe me?  Click here.  

Hype, it's pretty obvious you really have no clue what the word "racist" means as you so carelessly and irresponsibly throw the term around when you can't produce any credible argument.  

[Bean Bag]

All your youtube does is show that Zimmerman knew exactly what he was doing - he had no doubt that he was following a black man. He decided to follow him of his own accord, before calling the police. And Zimmerman is on record as being racist. That's the important part. It adds considerable motive, or hate crime status, to stalking  a kid with a gun. What does the removal of the dispatchers question have to do with it? It doesn't alter his intention in any way.

I missed this, where on record is he a racist?

This whole saga hinges on George Zimmerman (white hispanic ) being a racist.  Without that, the whole thing attracts more flies than Obama's face.

So what we're witnessing is folks stretching their groins out to make this about Trayvon's skin color -- cuz that's all that matters when people only see race. You get Racism.  And, I have to admit... they're doing a good job.    

It's fascinating to watch.  My favorite came from this bully...



What would he look like sir?  Do tell...

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

People need to realize that racism is about ACTUALLY BELIEVING YOU ARE SUPERIOR.

There's like... 10 racists in the world now who actually know what it is and believe it (oh, and china.) JKJK

[rab2591]

Martin being shot had nothing to do with racism. Hell, Zimmerman is ON RECORD being outraged at a white lieutenant who beat a black homeless man....THAT'S NOT SOMETHING A RACIST PERSON DOES. Zimmerman gets irritated that his neighborhood keeps getting burglarized, confronts a black teenager after he hides in the bushes of his neighborhood...that's it...he wasn't driving around looking for a black man to kill.

Seriously, I've had it with this race bullshit when it comes to Zimmerman. It's making life here in America a bit more unbearable than it already is, and to see more people jump on this train is sad and ridiculous. There is enough ACTUAL racism in this country; we don't need to add this pitiful allegation to the list.

[Mike's Beard]

A large chunk of black people in the US seem to have this incessant need to try turn everything into a race related issue. And some stupid media group is always more than happy to oblidge them.

[Heysaboda]

What would you like done? We have been doing it this way for 237 years. Do you want someone to go shoot him to get YOUR justice?  So, you want someone to break another law to enforce justice for this one? You are a vigilante? It was a terrible thing that happened. I know of no other way than the justice system to try people for crimes committed.

You asked what I'd like done DRB, so here it is:  Actually, nothing!  I think the courts should be done with this.  They tried.  They failed (in some people's opinion).  That's it.  Done.  I think the endless protests are pretty meaningless at this point.  And having the Feds get involved is also meaningless.

Not exactly sure why you're accusing me of being a vigilante?  Where did I ever encourage law breaking?  I clearly said the comics were having a field day with GZ having to wear a hoodie now LOL.  I take offense at your remark, SIR!  (LOL)    The expression "Just. Ice." was directed at GZ, as he's clearly the vigilante here.  Maybe you don't agree?  No I am not a vigilante?  LOL

GEEZ get a grip will ya DRB?