Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview...

[bgas]

Check out the post in question, then tell me I'm wrong. It actually hurt to read.

I remember reading that post, it didn't hurt me, I've read worse, but there's several ways one can react to spelling like that. Some of these ways are nicer than others, but I'm not interested in having an argument about stuff like this anyway.

Wouldn't we all Micha, wouldn't we all. Nicely said. As the saing goes, "if you can't say something nice, ....".

Actually, if I remember correctly (too lazy to check that), Andrew actually did say something nice about that posting, but it was buried deep down in his teaching the poster about his shortcomings.

Now probably Andrew will correct my grammar in that last phrase.

Why do you take exception with wanting to write well? I don't get this line of thinking. I guess it's ok, because you don't have to read your own shitty grammar? The one's who have to try and read it are the ones who have to suffer through it. If someone don't care how they write down their thoughts, then why should we care about their thoughts and opinions?

hey hey, it's not nice to complain if you're also making the crummy grammar! It's "Doesn't care how they write their thoughts"

[drbeachboy]

Check out the post in question, then tell me I'm wrong. It actually hurt to read.

I remember reading that post, it didn't hurt me, I've read worse, but there's several ways one can react to spelling like that. Some of these ways are nicer than others, but I'm not interested in having an argument about stuff like this anyway.

Wouldn't we all Micha, wouldn't we all. Nicely said. As the saing goes, "if you can't say something nice, ....".

Actually, if I remember correctly (too lazy to check that), Andrew actually did say something nice about that posting, but it was buried deep down in his teaching the poster about his shortcomings.

Now probably Andrew will correct my grammar in that last phrase.

Why do you take exception with wanting to write well? I don't get this line of thinking. I guess it's ok, because you don't have to read your own shitty grammar? The one's who have to try and read it are the ones who have to suffer through it. If someone don't care how they write down their thoughts, then why should we care about their thoughts and opinions?

hey hey, it's not nice to complain if you're also making the crummy grammar! It's "Doesn't care how they write their thoughts"

You're right! Thank you for letting me know. It has been corrected to "doesn't".

[Wirestone]

I was told a story by a few different sources that I can't prove so I won't print. Here all I will say is that it seems it happened during a plastic surgery to fix a check bone Murry had crushed.

Interesting. Can you tell us what year this surgery occurred?

I think it happened sometime in 1985 or 1986. There is a Paul McCartney doc Brian took part in shot in the summer of 1986. His mouth is very droopy.

I've heard that story too, as well as the plastic surgery bit. I think it was circulated pretty commonly in the BW fan communities at one point -- I started on the boards in the mid- to late-90s and believe I heard it there.

It's in one of the books, forget which (Gaines ? White ?).

The Timothy White book refers to him going for a facelift and the surgeon postponing the operation when his heart rate suddenly dropped due to the medication Landy had put him on. Was this the stroke we're discussing ? Possibly, maybe it was but White couldn't say, or didn't know.

Yes the story I heard was about that day.

Apparently sudden drops in BP, if they go on for awhile, are known to trigger ischemic strokes. This is probably what White is hinting at ...

[kookadams]

I have given up on trying to establish whether or not Mike Love is a villain.  None of the narratives seem to agree with each other.  On one end of the spectrum you have David Leaf and his "Brian is a victim" narrative, on the other Mike Love with his explanations for disagreements ("Wilson brothers abused drugs" and "I loved SMiLE and only took issue with one lyric").  I for one love the music the BBs made in late 60's and early 70s, which, by most accounts, was something of a group effort creatively.  It's hard for me to buy the David Leaf story of the rest of the band being abusive towards Brian and corporate-minded when this music was not exactly "commercial" (both in the way the music sounds and in terms of sales).  Weren't all the Beach Boys relatively "far out" in some way or another at this point in time? 

I think most of us here will agree that much of the Beach Boys music post 70s is cheesy and uninspired, but I often wonder just how popular the Beach Boys would be if it weren't for Mike Love revisiting all the oldies.  I grew up on the Surfin Hits, and I've wondered if I would ever have discovered the more obscure Beach Boys material without this foundation.

On another note...

AGD - Is the attitude/nastiness really necessary?  It seems well established that you are knowledgeable and an insider.  What point are you trying to prove?  It's all to convenient to attack people on the internet....

by post 70s you mean after holland but not including love you right? I agree that holland was their last solid group effort, altho some would say sunflower...

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Why did you bump a thread that hasn't been posted in for over a year?!

[pixletwin]

Why did you bump a thread that hasn't been posted in for over a year?!

Because he is a kook.

[SMiLE Brian]

Why did you bump a thread that hasn't been posted in for over a year?!

Because he is a kook.

I would rather him be an OSD.....

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I'm locking this.