Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday

[wantsomecorn]

From the Lovester's facebook: (sorry if this has already been posted!)

We had a great time today in Flagstaff, AZ celebrating Mother's Day! Matt Jardine joined us today and sang "Darlin'" and "Help Me Rhonda!" He rocked the house just like his Dad has on those songs so many times before. Good luck Matt and Susie with the birth of your baby boy!

Peace n Love
Mike Love

[the professor]

Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in as Mike says more and more about the reunion,  we see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records.  Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums.

[Doo Dah]

Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in, i see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records.  Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums.

Aaaaaaand they're OFF!   

[Gabo]

Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed.

If a song doesn't have "fun, fun, fun" and "good vibrations" in its lyric it's not a Beach Boys song, not really.

[STE]

[KittyKat]

Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed.

If a song doesn't have "fun, fun, fun" and "good vibrations" in its lyric it's not a Beach Boys song, not really.

And if a recording doesn't have autotune, it's not really a Joe Thomas-spearheaded Beach Boys track (or Brian Wilson solo track, for that matter). I'm not sure the fans win either way.

[Wirestone]

Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in as Mike says more and more about the reunion,  we see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records.  Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums.

Yes, I've no doubt that if Mike had his way in everything, the Beach Boys would still be together. There also would have been far less experimental fooferaw, and the group's output would have been different for the last 40 years. But the way a group works is that everyone has to compromise. Brian accepted that Mike would have to contribute lyrics, and serve as tour frontman. Mike accepted that Brian (and Brian's handpicked people) called the shots in the studio. Joe, for now, is Brian's guy. Mike is just seizing on a convenient target to justify his own unwillingness to continue in a reunion that presented more stresses and less financial rewards than he was used to.

[Lonely Summer]

Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in as Mike says more and more about the reunion,  we see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records.  Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums.

Yes, I've no doubt that if Mike had his way in everything, the Beach Boys would still be together. There also would have been far less experimental fooferaw, and the group's output would have been different for the last 40 years. But the way a group works is that everyone has to compromise. Brian accepted that Mike would have to contribute lyrics, and serve as tour frontman. Mike accepted that Brian (and Brian's handpicked people) called the shots in the studio. Joe, for now, is Brian's guy. Mike is just seizing on a convenient target to justify his own unwillingness to continue in a reunion that presented more stresses and less financial rewards than he was used to.

I'm not sure we should assume that today, in 2013, Joe Thomas is still Brian's guy.

[Wirestone]

Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in as Mike says more and more about the reunion,  we see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records.  Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums.

Yes, I've no doubt that if Mike had his way in everything, the Beach Boys would still be together. There also would have been far less experimental fooferaw, and the group's output would have been different for the last 40 years. But the way a group works is that everyone has to compromise. Brian accepted that Mike would have to contribute lyrics, and serve as tour frontman. Mike accepted that Brian (and Brian's handpicked people) called the shots in the studio. Joe, for now, is Brian's guy. Mike is just seizing on a convenient target to justify his own unwillingness to continue in a reunion that presented more stresses and less financial rewards than he was used to.

I'm not sure we should assume that today, in 2013, Joe Thomas is still Brian's guy.

Touche.

Let's say "for that project, was."

[Nicko1234]

Yes, I've no doubt that if Mike had his way in everything, the Beach Boys would still be together. There also would have been far less experimental fooferaw, and the group's output would have been different for the last 40 years. But the way a group works is that everyone has to compromise. Brian accepted that Mike would have to contribute lyrics, and serve as tour frontman. Mike accepted that Brian (and Brian's handpicked people) called the shots in the studio. Joe, for now, is Brian's guy. Mike is just seizing on a convenient target to justify his own unwillingness to continue in a reunion that presented more stresses and less financial rewards than he was used to.

While I agree that there were compromises, I'm not sure that Mike being frontman was one of them. That is the role he has always played after all.

Mike had to compromise a lot in terms of the live show as the band and touring structure were so similar to Brian's solo tours.

[AndrewHickey]

I'm not sure we should assume that today, in 2013, Joe Thomas is still Brian's guy.

Well, he was involved in the live album mixing, wasn't he?

As for the main subject of the post, it's really nice to see. I know Mike and Bruce have always respected Matt's talents (he carried on working with them for a while after Carl's death), and it would be nice if, even though the band split up again post-2012, the various members and people associated with them could guest with each other when the mood strikes them, without any hostility.

[leggo of my ego]

Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in as Mike says more and more about the reunion,  we see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records.  Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums.

But is Matt getting paid to play with the Mike Boys?

That seems to be the bottom line with ML - BB 50th shows = too many band members to pay to suit him.

[SMiLE Brian]

Great post, Wirestone. I think lately people have been acting like Brian is a "caged bird" kept away from Mike Love and the "all american" BBs music he represents when that isn't the case. If Mike doesn't feel like TWGMTR is an authentic BBs album, I fear what a BBs album under his control would sound like.

[oldsurferdude]

Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in as Mike says more and more about the reunion,  we see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records.  Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums.

mYke may be healthy and sober, but the" kind and good" thing is the consummate stretch which can go down with the next flush.

[JohnMill]

I'm not sure we should assume that today, in 2013, Joe Thomas is still Brian's guy.

Well, he was involved in the live album mixing, wasn't he?

As for the main subject of the post, it's really nice to see. I know Mike and Bruce have always respected Matt's talents (he carried on working with them for a while after Carl's death), and it would be nice if, even though the band split up again post-2012, the various members and people associated with them could guest with each other when the mood strikes them, without any hostility.

That's what I never understood although I'm guessing it comes down to something financial.  Why can't Al, Brian or Dave sit in with Mike and Bruce on certain dates?  I think something most of the forum agreed on was that Brian Wilson probably would never be up to the hectic pace of the M&B tour but it wasn't out of the question that he could play a few gigs with them per year.  But again, I'm guessing it comes down to finances.

[AndrewHickey]

I'm not sure we should assume that today, in 2013, Joe Thomas is still Brian's guy.

Well, he was involved in the live album mixing, wasn't he?

As for the main subject of the post, it's really nice to see. I know Mike and Bruce have always respected Matt's talents (he carried on working with them for a while after Carl's death), and it would be nice if, even though the band split up again post-2012, the various members and people associated with them could guest with each other when the mood strikes them, without any hostility.

That's what I never understood although I'm guessing it comes down to something financial.  Why can't Al, Brian or Dave sit in with Mike and Bruce on certain dates?  I think something most of the forum agreed on was that Brian Wilson probably would never be up to the hectic pace of the M&B tour but it wasn't out of the question that he could play a few gigs with them per year.  But again, I'm guessing it comes down to finances.

David has sat in with Mike's band a few times over the years since he left for the second time -- he did the 2008 UK tour and I think a few US East Coast shows since then. I doubt Brian would particularly want to sit in on the odd show here and there, but I can't imagine for one second that he would be unwelcome if he *did* decide to turn up. As for Al -- who knows what his relationship with Mike and Bruce is these days?

[Nicko1234]

That's what I never understood although I'm guessing it comes down to something financial.  Why can't Al, Brian or Dave sit in with Mike and Bruce on certain dates?  I think something most of the forum agreed on was that Brian Wilson probably would never be up to the hectic pace of the M&B tour but it wasn't out of the question that he could play a few gigs with them per year.  But again, I'm guessing it comes down to finances.

Can you see Brian agreeing to perform without Jeff there (not to mention the others)?

If the C50 tour had consisted of the 5 principal members with 4 or 5 other guys backing them up then Mike might (I say might) have been more inclined to continue in that way.

[HeyJude]

I'm not sure we should assume that today, in 2013, Joe Thomas is still Brian's guy.

Well, he was involved in the live album mixing, wasn't he?

As for the main subject of the post, it's really nice to see. I know Mike and Bruce have always respected Matt's talents (he carried on working with them for a while after Carl's death), and it would be nice if, even though the band split up again post-2012, the various members and people associated with them could guest with each other when the mood strikes them, without any hostility.

That's what I never understood although I'm guessing it comes down to something financial.  Why can't Al, Brian or Dave sit in with Mike and Bruce on certain dates?  I think something most of the forum agreed on was that Brian Wilson probably would never be up to the hectic pace of the M&B tour but it wasn't out of the question that he could play a few gigs with them per year.  But again, I'm guessing it comes down to finances.

David has sat in with Mike's band a few times over the years since he left for the second time -- he did the 2008 UK tour and I think a few US East Coast shows since then. I doubt Brian would particularly want to sit in on the odd show here and there, but I can't imagine for one second that he would be unwelcome if he *did* decide to turn up. As for Al -- who knows what his relationship with Mike and Bruce is these days?

Al did sit in with Mike in early 2011 for the one Reagan show, although I always sensed that was more a purposeful prelude to the reunion than randomly having Al for one show. I believe Al may have also played a private gig with Mike's band in 2012 right before the reunion tour started, as a warm up sort of thing.

[HeyJude]

Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in as Mike says more and more about the reunion,  we see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records.  Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums.

Yes, I've no doubt that if Mike had his way in everything, the Beach Boys would still be together. There also would have been far less experimental fooferaw, and the group's output would have been different for the last 40 years. But the way a group works is that everyone has to compromise. Brian accepted that Mike would have to contribute lyrics, and serve as tour frontman. Mike accepted that Brian (and Brian's handpicked people) called the shots in the studio. Joe, for now, is Brian's guy. Mike is just seizing on a convenient target to justify his own unwillingness to continue in a reunion that presented more stresses and less financial rewards than he was used to.

Well put. Mike may well have kept going if it was just his band with three other three guys joining. But that's not a compromise. I'm not 100% convinced even that scenario would be likely. I don't think Mike particularly preferred Brian being introduced last and getting the most applause at the beginning of each show. I'm sure that wasn't a deal breaker, but money may have not been the only issue.

[Generation42]

Off topic, but ego, good God, man, that moving avatar of yours gives me a freaking headache!

Right then, to the topic at hand: I'm glad to see that Matt was back sharing a stage with Mike and Bruce.  I don't know that I'd go as far as to profess that this is an olive branch, or anything other than a family member being welcomed back to the stage he's shared before, but if a new Beach Boys album somehow miraculously comes of this, I'll be quite happy to eat my words, indeed. 

[southbay]

And Love still with the C50 Sunday shirt on...

[leggo of my ego]

Off topic, but ego, good God, man, that moving avatar of yours gives me a freaking headache!

Right then, to the topic at hand: I'm glad to see that Matt was back sharing a stage with Mike and Bruce.  I don't know that I'd go as far as to profess that this is an olive branch, or anything other than a family member being welcomed back to the stage he's shared before, but if a new Beach Boys album somehow miraculously comes of this, I'll be quite happy to eat my words, indeed. 

Well, its about time somebody complained! 
Yeah, the avatar didnt come out quite as hoped. a bit too fast on the zoom-in. I am going to fix it ASAP.

[Emdeeh]

Wait -- Matt's wife is about to give birth to a son -- Al's grandson!



And pesky little brother to his sisters, no doubt...

[JohnMill]

Wait -- Matt's wife is about to give birth to a son -- Al's grandson!



And pesky little brother to his sisters, no doubt...

Another dentist in the family?

[DonnyL]

I think it's a misconception that Mike is against continuing a reunion. It seems that he's not interested in continuing the reunion as it was set up last year. If Brian, Al & David were to come on board for some shows with his current 'Beach Boys' lineup, he'd probably be into it.