Smiley Smile songs we would miss

[Puggal]

I would miss the Smiley version of Wonderful and Vegetables.

I wouldn't miss the Carl's Surf's Up pastiche on the album of the same name.

[SMiLE-addict]

What makes you think those songs wouldn't have been released? After all, we didn't have a Smile, but we got Heroes & Villains, Wonderful, etc. Chances are, those tunes would have been out on a different album.

This.

The Smile songs that came out on later albums would simply be replaced by some of the songs that came out on Smiley Smile.

[Aegir]

Gettin' Hungry, released 1971

1. Don't Go Near the Water
2. Long Promised Road
3. Take a Load Off Your Feet
4. Disney Girls (1957)
5. Student Demonstration Time
6. Feel Flows
7. Lookin' at Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)
8. A Day in the Life of a Tree
9. Til I Die
10. Gettin' Hungry

[bgas]

i don't care what some mamas-and-papas-loving pop music fan thinks about smiley smile. it's obviously a weird, insular drug album. hardly surprising most people wouldn't be into it. all the better something like this was released by the beach boys; it doesn't get much more left-field than that! people here are too obsessed with the group's loss of popularity, jeez.

Have a nice day.

that wasn't a dig at you or anything. merely a point that it would be unsurprising 99.9% of pop music fans wouldn't be into smiley smile because it's nothing like the rest of the beach boys catalogue, especially compared o what came before but after too. even love you had some sonic precursors in the spring album and 15 big ones, for instance. i think as odd as smile might have been, it would've still been a recognisable shift from pet sounds... except then we got smiley smile, beginning the descent into the insular world of the beach boys.

No offense taken, Doctor. I realized, even as I was typing my post, that it was a downer. So I thought I would post something, complete with smiley face, going the opposite direction. Sorry for how it came off.

I'm not a fan of Smiley Smile. I think it's overrated and it signifies - to me anyway - Brian throwing in the towel. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy it; I do. But, I enjoy every Beach Boys' album. I compare it somewhat to BWPS. The songs are inferior to SMiLE. Anyway...

I don't think The Becah Boys ever recovered from Smiley Smiley. They went from Good Vibrations and that infamous poll beating The Beatles (yeah, I know it was just one poll) to declining record sales, bankruptcy, and being dropped by their record company. All that in what, 2-3 years. Hard to believe actually. Smiley Smiley was a mistake, and I always thought that Wild Honey was an attempt to apologize for it, in my opinion, of course...

  What else might have taken place in this alternate universe you reside in?  >>  dropped by their record company<< ?!?!?   
The one where I live, the BBs left the label they no longer trusted, for "greener" pastures.
Smiley may have been a "bunt" , but definitely not a mistake. All great songs to me

[bonnevillemariner]

I suppose if I had to make one concession, it would be on Vegatables.  Overall I prefer the complete Smile version, but I do prefer simple bass first verse of the SS version (from the beginning up to "table-vegal") over the Smile verse.

I agree with the Sheriff, though, SS to me signifies Brian throwing in the towel. 

[Letsgoawayforawhile]

Smiley Smile is wonderful, beautiful, dark and twisted. With that said, I still thinks it's the used toilet paper Smile wiped it's butt with.

[rab2591]

I suppose if I had to make one concession, it would be on Vegatables.  Overall I prefer the complete Smile version, but I do prefer simple bass first verse of the SS version (from the beginning up to "table-vegal") over the Smile verse.

I agree with the Sheriff, though, SS to me signifies Brian throwing in the towel. 

Love the bass-y Smiley version (so yeah, I'd miss that), but those chorus' for the SMiLE boxset version are epic. Mark and Alan did a brilliant job with that mix.

[leggo of my ego]

I suppose if I had to make one concession, it would be on Vegatables.  Overall I prefer the complete Smile version, but I do prefer simple bass first verse of the SS version (from the beginning up to "table-vegal") over the Smile verse.

I agree with the Sheriff, though, SS to me signifies Brian throwing in the towel. 

Me too, SS seems like a capitulation from greatness to mediocrity (for whatever reasons that have been postulated a million times)

[AndrewHickey]

Me too, SS seems like a capitulation from greatness to mediocrity (for whatever reasons that have been postulated a million times)

I think you could call Smiley many, *many* things, but not mediocre...

[Sheriff John Stone]

i don't care what some mamas-and-papas-loving pop music fan thinks about smiley smile. it's obviously a weird, insular drug album. hardly surprising most people wouldn't be into it. all the better something like this was released by the beach boys; it doesn't get much more left-field than that! people here are too obsessed with the group's loss of popularity, jeez.

Have a nice day.

that wasn't a dig at you or anything. merely a point that it would be unsurprising 99.9% of pop music fans wouldn't be into smiley smile because it's nothing like the rest of the beach boys catalogue, especially compared o what came before but after too. even love you had some sonic precursors in the spring album and 15 big ones, for instance. i think as odd as smile might have been, it would've still been a recognisable shift from pet sounds... except then we got smiley smile, beginning the descent into the insular world of the beach boys.

No offense taken, Doctor. I realized, even as I was typing my post, that it was a downer. So I thought I would post something, complete with smiley face, going the opposite direction. Sorry for how it came off.

I'm not a fan of Smiley Smile. I think it's overrated and it signifies - to me anyway - Brian throwing in the towel. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy it; I do. But, I enjoy every Beach Boys' album. I compare it somewhat to BWPS. The songs are inferior to SMiLE. Anyway...

I don't think The Becah Boys ever recovered from Smiley Smiley. They went from Good Vibrations and that infamous poll beating The Beatles (yeah, I know it was just one poll) to declining record sales, bankruptcy, and being dropped by their record company. All that in what, 2-3 years. Hard to believe actually. Smiley Smiley was a mistake, and I always thought that Wild Honey was an attempt to apologize for it, in my opinion, of course...

  What else might have taken place in this alternate universe you reside in?  >>  dropped by their record company<< ?!?!?   
The one where I live, the BBs left the label they no longer trusted, for "greener" pastures.
Smiley may have been a "bunt" , but definitely not a mistake. All great songs to me

Greener pastures? Browner pastures maybe. Oh, yeah, the Beach Boys had just a peachy relationship with Warner Brothers/Reprise. How many of their albums were rejected or altered or not promoted? After seven years Warner Brothers couldn't wait to show them the door.

[AndrewHickey]

Greener pastures? Browner pastures maybe. Oh, yeah, the Beach Boys had just a peachy relationship with Warner Brothers/Reprise. How many of their albums were rejected or altered or not promoted? After seven years Warner Brothers couldn't wait to show them the door.

Almost all of those alterations made the albums better though, unless you really prefer We Got Love to Sail On Sailor. And seven years is as long as they were with Capitol and longer than they were with Caribou...

[Puggal]

Gettin' Hungry, released 1971

1. Don't Go Near the Water
2. Long Promised Road
3. Take a Load Off Your Feet
4. Disney Girls (1957)
5. Student Demonstration Time
6. Feel Flows
7. Lookin' at Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)
8. A Day in the Life of a Tree
9. Til I Die
10. Gettin' Hungry

One would hope that if Smile was released the band would have never embarked on their "democratic" period. I much prefer Brian's work to any of the others'.

[monicker]

I shudder at the thought of a universe where this scenario happens. I’ve thought about this a lot over the years and i always arrive at the same conclusion: (selfishly) grateful that Smile collapsed if only because it gave us Smiley Smile, which is just too painful to imagine not ever having existed. We have a wealth of Smile material, so it’s the best of both worlds. Had he finished Smile though....brrr...

I can separate those with whom i’d want to associate from those with whom i wouldn’t want to associate just by taking a look at their opinion on the Smiley Smile album.

[Myk Luhv]

i'd smoke a joint with you and listen to smiley

[Sheriff John Stone]

Greener pastures? Browner pastures maybe. Oh, yeah, the Beach Boys had just a peachy relationship with Warner Brothers/Reprise. How many of their albums were rejected or altered or not promoted? After seven years Warner Brothers couldn't wait to show them the door.

Almost all of those alterations made the albums better though, unless you really prefer We Got Love to Sail On Sailor. And seven years is as long as they were with Capitol and longer than they were with Caribou...

Not to derail the thread, but...I'm not crazy about the final configuration of Sunflower, I wish Warner Brothers WOULD HAVE intervened and demanded Dennis contribute his songs on Surf's Up, nothing wrong with having "Sail On Sailor" AND "We Got Love", and, of all albums where/when Warner Brothers SHOULD'VE stepped in and sorted out the mess - 15 Big Ones - they didn't. That being said, my point was that the relationship was not a good one. Is that point not correct?

[Cabinessenceking]

I would rather scrap the Smile songs than the Smiley ones.




*omg this guy's crazy! ban it with fireeee*

[monicker]

i'd smoke a joint with you and listen to smiley

See now, i didn't say that. I am in a very lonely minority that loves and reveres Smiley Smile and doesn't care about drugs. Just wanted to make clear that my love for Smiley is, plain and simple, coming from a strictly musical perspective/appreciation.

[zachrwolfe]

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[Nicko1234]

Not to derail the thread, but...I'm not crazy about the final configuration of Sunflower, I wish Warner Brothers WOULD HAVE intervened and demanded Dennis contribute his songs on Surf's Up, nothing wrong with having "Sail On Sailor" AND "We Got Love", and, of all albums where/when Warner Brothers SHOULD'VE stepped in and sorted out the mess - 15 Big Ones - they didn't. That being said, my point was that the relationship was not a good one. Is that point not correct?

One more point about Warner Brothers...

How badly did they mess the band up (with the BBs' assistance of course) outside America. All of their Capitol albums were huge hits outside the States but Sunflower and the singles of that period died a death.

[AndrewHickey]

i'd smoke a joint with you and listen to smiley

See now, i didn't say that. I am in a very lonely minority that loves and reveres Smiley Smile and doesn't care about drugs. Just wanted to make clear that my love for Smiley is, plain and simple, coming from a strictly musical perspective/appreciation.

Same here. I don't do anything stronger than coffee, but Smiley is one of my very favourite albums of all time.

[AndrewHickey]

One more point about Warner Brothers...

How badly did they mess the band up (with the BBs' assistance of course) outside America. All of their Capitol albums were huge hits outside the States but Sunflower and the singles of that period died a death.

Sunflower and Surf's Up were released by Stateside over here -- a division of EMI. Warners didn't start releasing the albums until (IIRC) Carl And The Passions.

[Nicko1234]

Sunflower and Surf's Up were released by Stateside over here -- a division of EMI. Warners didn't start releasing the albums until (IIRC) Carl And The Passions.

Does that go for all non-U.S. territories?

I presume that Warners were part of that decision which was pretty disastrous with hindsight.

[Chris Brown]

Great topic.  I love Smiley almost as much as Smile and Pet Sounds, so I'd miss just about everything on there in our hypothetical alternate universe.  I'd probably miss "Little Pad", "With Me Tonight" and "Wind Chimes" the most though, the latter being (in my opinion anyways) far superior to its Smile counterpart.  I wouldn't miss them enough to pass on a completed Smile though.

[egon spengler]

This thread inspired me to listen to Smiley Smile for the first time in WAY too long (it's been at least a week), and I just noticed for the first time that the SS Wonderful leaves out the first half of the third verse ("farther down.."). Hmph.

[oldsurferdude]

I suppose if I had to make one concession, it would be on Vegatables.  Overall I prefer the complete Smile version, but I do prefer simple bass first verse of the SS version (from the beginning up to "table-vegal") over the Smile verse.

I agree with the Sheriff, though, SS to me signifies Brian throwing in the towel. 
[/quote)Yeah, bought it when it came out and had the exact feeling then as I still do today. It couldn't have been a poorer followup to PS. Popularity aside, SS was a plain stupid artistic and business decision that polarized volumes of fans who most likely never came back. Felt the same way about Love You-just plain old embarrassing except for the lovely The Night Was So Young. The rest should have been wiped never to be heard again. Horrible vocals, hokey lyrics, and just tired and worn thin, embarrassing attempts at trying to fool what fanbase they had left.