Mike Love talks about C50 shows (March 26)

[drbeachboy]

However continuing to antagonize Beach Boys fans by telling them that they should "get a life" is probably not the best way to get people to stop looking for reasons to bash him.

He didn't say "Beach Boys fans" should get a life, but that people who go out of their way to post abuse about him should.
Which is true.

Um the people who antagonize/criticize/abuse him for the most part are "Beach Boys" fans.  The reason being I doubt the general public even cares.  Many people thought all of our guys were dead before the C50 last year.

Over 10,000 people signed a petition to stop Mike touring with his version of the Beach Boys. People do care and people don't like Mike.

Maybe, that is approximately 4% to 6% of the number of fans who will attend a Mike & Bruce Beach Boys show this year. Some people might care, but not enough to make that big a difference.

[KittyKat]

If some people don't like Mike, then why do they care the reunion didn't continue? I don't get that part at all. As far as 10,000 signing a petition, that's just one night's audience for the reunion when they played a larger venue. It's far from the entirety of BB fandom. It represents Brian Wilson fandom, which are a smaller set of people.

There is a schism in BB fandom. There are those who are passionate, and those who just like sweatin' to the oldies like a Richard Simmons video. For the latter group of fans, the Mike Love Beach Boys will do. There are millions of them, apparently, or Mike wouldn't be able to earn a living touring as the Beach Boys with  just Bruce. Most music listeners are indifferent. That's why the Top 40 has always been dominated by mediocrity or worse. People just want to have a good time, they will go to a Beach Boys show, no matter who's in the line-up. Passionate Beach Boys fans who are into the deep catalog can go to a Brian Wilson solo show, as they have for the past ten years plus.  Those folks can also ridicule what Mike says and not go to his shows. It won't change anything as long as Mike has the rights, which were voted to him by Brian. Brian likes making money, too.

[AndrewHickey]

Over 10,000 people signed a petition to stop Mike touring with his version of the Beach Boys.

No they didn't. They signed a petition asking him "to re-instate the 3 other members to the touring group". Which, of course, is based on the false premise that he fired them.

Even if it wasn't, though, the only preference those people expressed is *for* Mike and Bruce touring with the other three, not *against* them touring as a duo. If you gave those people a straight choice between "Mike and Bruce tour" or "no touring at all", you've no way of knowing how they'd split, because that wasn't the choice put by the petition.

[JohnMill]

If some people don't like Mike, then why do they care the reunion didn't continue? I don't get that part at all. As far as 10,000 signing a petition, that's just one night's audience for the reunion when they played a larger venue. It's far from the entirety of BB fandom. It represents Brian Wilson fandom, which are a smaller set of people.

There is a schism in BB fandom. There are those who are passionate, and those who just like sweatin' to the oldies like a Richard Simmons video. For the latter group of fans, the Mike Love Beach Boys will do. There are millions of them, apparently, or Mike wouldn't be able to earn a living touring as the Beach Boys with  just Bruce. Most music listeners are indifferent. That's why the Top 40 has always been dominated by mediocrity or worse. People just want to have a good time, they will go to a Beach Boys show, no matter who's in the line-up. Passionate Beach Boys fans who are into the deep catalog can go to a Brian Wilson solo show, as they have for the past ten years plus.  Those folks can also ridicule what Mike says and not go to his shows. It won't change anything as long as Mike has the rights, which were voted to him by Brian. Brian likes making money, too.

I agree but I when I speak of "Beach Boys" fans I don't speak of the latter group of fans of which you speak.  They don't factor in much to my thinking when I use the term "Beach Boys fans" because at most they go to one concert a year (and that is probably stretching it) and probably haven't even an inkling as to the politics of the band and many of the things that are discussed on a forum like this on a daily basis.  While I understand they are the majority, in terms of what we are discussing in my opinion they don't factor in because in my opinion I'm not sure if they even qualify as "Beach Boys fans".  The reason being there are just as many people these days who go to concerts in order to party or to get drunk as they do to listen to the music on stage.  So until they take their interest in the group a little bit further than going to their one concert every leap year, they don't factor into any discussions regarding the relationship between the band and it's fans.  You can refer to this group as the general public but I will always argue it's a stretch to call them Beach Boys fans.  

I also disagree about there being a difference between Brian Wilson fans and Beach Boys fans.  They are one in the same.  Brian Wilson has not built up a sufficient enough catalog on his own (and likely never will) to separate himself from the unit.  The majority of his solo act revolves around Beach Boys hits, he's identified first by the general public as a "Beach Boy" and second as being Brian Wilson.  It's not a slight against Brian Wilson to point this fact out either as even artists who have careers and successful ones at that after being part of a successful band will  still always be identified with the band first.  John Lennon is a Beatle, Paul McCartney is a Beatle, George Harrison is a Beatle.  All three had successful solo careers but their solo ventures are almost viewed as "side dishes" to the "main course" which is when they were collectively The Beatles.  That being cleared up you will likely find there are very few people who are fans of John Lennon's, Paul McCartney's or George Harrison's respective solo careers who aren't Beatles fans as well.  The same goes for Brian Wilson.  Brian Wilson fans and Beach Boys fans are one in the same.  

[SMiLE Brian]

I agree, I don't like it how fans are called "brianistas" for saying that Brian was the force behind the group. The other members helped out a huge deal, but the BBs in their prime as a functioning band were a vehicle for BW's ideas.

[JohnMill]

I agree, I don't like it how fans are called "brianistas" for saying that Brian was the force behind the group. The other members helped out a huge deal, but the BBs in their prime as a functioning band were a vehicle for BW's ideas.

Yeah although there are extreme cases in every fanbase, I think in general when it comes to this band fans of the collective unit and the individual members are one in the same.  What hurts Mike Love and the rest of the boys is most of them eschewed any type of solo career.  Well to rephrase, all of them tried but none of them succeeded in such wide terms of success where they have separated themselves from the rest of the band.  Brian and Dennis made strides, the rest well not to sound mean spirited but all you can give them realistically is a "A for effort".

However, I've never been one to champion those who make statements such as "Without Brian Wilson, Mike Love would still be pumping gas at the oil & tin".  This is a falsehood of the highest order.  While Mike Love likely would've never found success without his cousin, his cousin would've also never found the type of success he had without his brothers and especially his cousin.  Brian Wilson without The Beach Boys as his vehicle MAY HAVE risen to the point where we might be talking about him as a strong composer from the era of sixties music but he would've never been a rock star without his mates.  He just never had the outgoing personality needed during that phase in the evolution of music to have been much of a success without a frontman the likes of Cousin Mike.  The two cousins needed each other in the sixties to find their respective (collective?) pots of gold at the end of the rainbow.

[AndrewHickey]

Mike's Facebook was just updated:

We are having a wonderful time here in Tokyo and the fans here in Asia are amazing and I want to thank them for all the love they have showed us. But I wanted to take a moment to clarify something I said in the Montgomery News piece that ran this week. I misspoke when I referred to the 'Hate Mike Love' material on Al Jardine's Website. I am still learning the difference in terminology between Facebook, Twitter, websites, and the like. Social media is a new creature to me, as it is to many of us, and I did not make the proper distinction between the mediums. Al and I have enjoyed our shared interest in Transcendental Meditation over the years and have valued its focus on positivity. Al and I have been in communication and agree that we both want all of our social media outlets and web based outlets to reflect that positivity. The spirit of the music we created over these decades has always reflected that spirit of positivity and harmony. We hope all our Beach Boys brethren and fans and all those affected by our music share that feeling, and will allow that feeling to influence your words and actions. Negativity is never fun, fun, fun and has nothing to do with Good Vibrations.

[Lonely Summer]

Mike Love is his own biggest enemy.

[SMiLE Brian]

Bingo.

[SMiLE Brian]

I agree, I don't like it how fans are called "brianistas" for saying that Brian was the force behind the group. The other members helped out a huge deal, but the BBs in their prime as a functioning band were a vehicle for BW's ideas.

Yeah although there are extreme cases in every fanbase, I think in general when it comes to this band fans of the collective unit and the individual members are one in the same.  What hurts Mike Love and the rest of the boys is most of them eschewed any type of solo career.  Well to rephrase, all of them tried but none of them succeeded in such wide terms of success where they have separated themselves from the rest of the band.  Brian and Dennis made strides, the rest well not to sound mean spirited but all you can give them realistically is a "A for effort".

However, I've never been one to champion those who make statements such as "Without Brian Wilson, Mike Love would still be pumping gas at the oil & tin".  This is a falsehood of the highest order.  While Mike Love likely would've never found success without his cousin, his cousin would've also never found the type of success he had without his brothers and especially his cousin.  Brian Wilson without The Beach Boys as his vehicle MAY HAVE risen to the point where we might be talking about him as a strong composer from the era of sixties music but he would've never been a rock star without his mates.  He just never had the outgoing personality needed during that phase in the evolution of music to have been much of a success without a frontman the likes of Cousin Mike.  The two cousins needed each other in the sixties to find their respective (collective?) pots of gold at the end of the rainbow.

That is what I was hitting on with the " other members helped out a huge deal" statement. Brian was the force behind the group, but the other members input (Chuck Berry, Doo-wop, and folk) made the group a worldwide success. Brian had the huge musical ideas, but the group helped bring them to the market place.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

 

Mike's Facebook was just updated:

We are having a wonderful time here in Tokyo and the fans here in Asia are amazing and I want to thank them for all the love they have showed us. But I wanted to take a moment to clarify something I said in the Montgomery News piece that ran this week. I misspoke when I referred to the 'Hate Mike Love' material on Al Jardine's Website. I am still learning the difference in terminology between Facebook, Twitter, websites, and the like. Social media is a new creature to me, as it is to many of us, and I did not make the proper distinction between the mediums. Al and I have enjoyed our shared interest in Transcendental Meditation over the years and have valued its focus on positivity. Al and I have been in communication and agree that we both want all of our social media outlets and web based outlets to reflect that positivity. The spirit of the music we created over these decades has always reflected that spirit of positivity and harmony. We hope all our Beach Boys brethren and fans and all those affected by our music share that feeling, and will allow that feeling to influence your words and actions. Negativity is never fun, fun, fun and has nothing to do with Good Vibrations.

Deleted. Erroneous post by moi.

[18thofMay]

You were saying Oregon?......

[18thofMay]

Mike's Facebook was just updated:

We are having a wonderful time here in Tokyo and the fans here in Asia are amazing and I want to thank them for all the love they have showed us. But I wanted to take a moment to clarify something I said in the Montgomery News piece that ran this week. I misspoke when I referred to the 'Hate Mike Love' material on Al Jardine's Website. I am still learning the difference in terminology between Facebook, Twitter, websites, and the like. Social media is a new creature to me, as it is to many of us, and I did not make the proper distinction between the mediums. Al and I have enjoyed our shared interest in Transcendental Meditation over the years and have valued its focus on positivity. Al and I have been in communication and agree that we both want all of our social media outlets and web based outlets to reflect that positivity. The spirit of the music we created over these decades has always reflected that spirit of positivity and harmony. We hope all our Beach Boys brethren and fans and all those affected by our music share that feeling, and will allow that feeling to influence your words and actions. Negativity is never fun, fun, fun and has nothing to do with Good Vibrations.

Good one Andrew  

Actually LOL at you!

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Wow...that's pretty hilarious after what I said yesterday. I PROMISE I'm not Mike Love....I can keep my zipper up!

However, I've never been one to champion those who make statements such as "Without Brian Wilson, Mike Love would still be pumping gas at the oil & tin".  This is a falsehood of the highest order.  While Mike Love likely would've never found success without his cousin, his cousin would've also never found the type of success he had without his brothers and especially his cousin.  Brian Wilson without The Beach Boys as his vehicle MAY HAVE risen to the point where we might be talking about him as a strong composer from the era of sixties music but he would've never been a rock star without his mates.  He just never had the outgoing personality needed during that phase in the evolution of music to have been much of a success without a frontman the likes of Cousin Mike.  The two cousins needed each other in the sixties to find their respective (collective?) pots of gold at the end of the rainbow.

That's how I feel too.

[SMiLE Brian]

Somebody should make a TV movie called "1970: The year of Love" which recounts Mike's crazy period.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

You were saying Oregon?......

Deleted. Erroneous post by moi.

[AndrewHickey]

You were saying Oregon?......

I'm saying Andrew wrote that, making a funny joke. What is your question?

I'm not sure if you're joking yourself, but if not (or if anyone else thinks you're not) https://www.facebook.com/OfficialMikeLove/posts/444941128918067 .
I admit it does *read* like an obvious parody of Mike, but it isn't...

[18thofMay]

You were saying Oregon?......

I'm saying Andrew wrote that, making a funny joke. What is your question?

I'm not sure if you're joking yourself, but if not (or if anyone else thinks you're not) https://www.facebook.com/OfficialMikeLove/posts/444941128918067 .
I admit it does *read* like an obvious parody of Mike, but it isn't...

I was saying it is not a joke and Andrew did not write it. Because it is on Mike's page!

[Heysaboda]

“If you’ve looked at Al’s website recently, there’s so much ‘Hate Mike Love’ stuff going on. You would wonder why he’d entertain that stuff on his website,” said Love. “I’d never post anything or allow anybody to say anything bad about anybody on mine. I wish people would understand.".

Problem with this statement is that it's not true. Aljardine.com has no board or venue for comments. He used to have a calif saga board or somerhing but I think it's pretty comatose. The Lovester must be referring to Al's Facebook page. So Mike expects Al to censor his FB page?

Mike probably uses MySpace or Friendster LOL!

 

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Nah, Mike's down with the hottest in internet entertainment...CompuServe!

[SurfRiderHawaii]

You were saying Oregon?......

I'm saying Andrew wrote that, making a funny joke. What is your question?

I'm not sure if you're joking yourself, but if not (or if anyone else thinks you're not) https://www.facebook.com/OfficialMikeLove/posts/444941128918067 .
I admit it does *read* like an obvious parody of Mike, but it isn't...

I was saying it is not a joke and Andrew did not write it. Because it is on Mike's page!

Yeah, I just looked. I'll be dammed!  MY BAD. I couldn't imagine Mike's Facebook administer reads our posts but apparently they do.  Or there was a larger outcry. Or Al got pissed.

But this post by "Mike Love" totally validates my posts that Mike dissed, insulted Al and said something untrue. Now, as the term AGD likes to use, some serious backpedaling took place.

Glad I was able to point it out for Mr. Love. Hilarious.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Just looked at Brian's board.  They are all over Mike's Interview.  About him dissing Al, about that Al's website doesn't mention Mike, that even Mike's Facebook page has derogatory comments about Mike. About Mike comparing himself to Paul McCartney.

Funny how people who screw up back track by saying they "want to clarify their comments".

I, based on my personal, inside knowledge, ain't buying that Mike doesn't know Facebook from Twitter from a website.  After all, he has all three.

[Justin]

I, based on my personal, inside knowledge, ain't buying that Mike doesn't know Facebook from Twitter from a website.  After all, he has all three.

Are you the new AGD?  You've got all this "inside knowledge" that you're so generously sharing with us! 

So what if he has all three?  You said so yourself that he has an administrator in charge of his social media---it's common sense.  You don't actually think it's actually Mike himself typing these messages up and clicking "Post" on all these different sites, do you?  Mike, just like any other person his age, simply doesn't care to know the difference between Facebook, Twitter and a website.  Throughout the C50 tour, he stood on stage and told everyone to "call up" Amazon.com to buy their new album so that it would reach number one.  "Call up."  Does that sound like something a guy who's on top of the latest technology would say? 

But anyway...continue on with your personal vendetta against the guy.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I, based on my personal, inside knowledge, ain't buying that Mike doesn't know Facebook from Twitter from a website.  After all, he has all three.

Are you the new AGD?  You've got all this "inside knowledge" that you're so generously sharing with us! 

So what if he has all three?  You said so yourself that he has an administrator in charge of his social media---it's common sense.  You don't actually think it's actually Mike himself typing these messages up and clicking "Post" on all these different sites, do you?  Mike, just like any other person his age, simply doesn't care to know the difference between Facebook, Twitter and a website.  Throughout the C50 tour, he stood on stage and told everyone to "call up" Amazon.com to buy their new album so that it would reach number one.  "Call up."  Does that sound like something a guy who's on top of the latest technology would say? 

But anyway...continue on with your personal vendetta against the guy.

Gotta say...there's a huge difference between being able to use email or a simple internet search and being social media savvy. Lord knows I've done enough work with customers over various jobs to know that first hand!

[HeyJude]

I apologize if I'm stating an opinion that has been voiced a bunch of times already. My issue at this point with Mike's stated reasoning for not doing more reunion shows is that it doesn't explain anything. We know the likely (thought not certain) reasons Mike didn't sign up for more reunion shows. But he won't actually state it. He simply is saying, in essence, that he didn't book more reunion shows and booked his own shows because he didn't book more reunion shows and booked his own shows.

Yes, there was an "agreed upon" length to the reunion tour. The question is why he didn't sign on for more. I would respect it at this point a lot more if he'd just say he doesn't want to play with the other guys right now, or that it doesn't generate enough money, or it's logistically too much of a pain the ass to continue, etc. Yes, he did explain in his piece last year that he wants to play smaller markets, but that, even if we take it on face value, doesn't explain the total abandonment for now of any reunion shows.

The continued explanation that the reunion tour was some sort of vacuum in time and space where they were only allowed one extension of the original agreement is just bizarre. Just as they chose in 2011 (or earlier?) to put the reunion together in 2012, they could do the same now. If he doesn't want to do that, it would be nice to hear truly why that is. This weird reflexive statement that "the tour ended because it ended" is silly.