was Carl known to have done any "hard" drugs? (paging jon)

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

you cant do drugs in prison

Legally, no, but it sure happens. Hell, there's as much dealing in the joint as out.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Anyone who eats drugs should go to prison.

???you cant do drugs in prison. With that kind of logic all obese people should be in prison as well.
lotta dolt replies huh

Yup, lotta dolt replies. Mostly from you.

Mind, it tickles me that you don't know who I am.

[Mike's Beard]

Never mind Carl's drug intake, it appears some people in this thread seem to have been snorting something.

[Shady]

The Beach Boys have never, ever used any kind of illegal stimulant. I seriously doubt if they've even tasted alcohol. As clean-cut all-American boys, it is not their style and would alienate their fans.

who the f*** are  you? or should I say what

You don't know AGD?

He has a wikipedia page dude, he's famous.

[rogerlancelot]

The Beach Boys have never, ever used any kind of illegal stimulant. I seriously doubt if they've even tasted alcohol. As clean-cut all-American boys, it is not their style and would alienate their fans.

who the f*** are  you? or should I say what

You don't know AGD?

He has a wikipedia page dude, he's famous.

Didn't he play bass on all of the Beach Boys early hits? Or am I confusing him for somebody else?

Yes, this whole thread is whacked and unnecessary.

 

[kookadams]

Anyone who eats drugs should go to prison.

???you cant do drugs in prison. With that kind of logic all obese people should be in prison as well.
lotta dolt replies huh

Yup, lotta dolt replies. Mostly from you.

Mind, it tickles me that you don't know who I am.

I KNOW WHO YOU ARE, I HAVE YOUR BOOK.  I never met you in person, but I met  Dave Beard at Al Jardine's release party last year.

[adamghost]

Anyone who eats drugs should go to prison.

???you cant do drugs in prison. With that kind of logic all obese people should be in prison as well.
lotta dolt replies huh

Yup, lotta dolt replies. Mostly from you.

Mind, it tickles me that you don't know who I am.

I KNOW WHO YOU ARE, I HAVE YOUR BOOK.  I never met you in person, but I met  Dave Beard at Al Jardine's release party last year.

I met Jon Stebbins in Alan Boyd's back yard...and Carl had a beard.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I met Alan Boyd in London in 1983.

I've also been to Ludlow, but sadly not at 6.18.

[Magic Transistor Radio]

I met Zeppo in a barrel as a stow away on a ship.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

My dog looks like a canine

[Mikie]

I missed the Carl Walks for Cancer and the meet-up at Boyd's house afterwards and the Dennis Wilson Bash and the Brian at the Roxy gig and the Hawthorne Memorial dedication and the Stebbins book signings.

But I still know who you are..... 

[Peter Reum]

Addicts inherit a genetic proclivity toward mood altering chemicals or activities from their families.  There is a wonderful Johnny Cash video on Youtube that references a number of show business people who were chemically dependent but who survived, including BW. The genetic thread running through the Wilson family goes back at least 5 generations. Family mapping is one way of helping people with chemical dependence understand their predicament as well as helping them inform their children about the potential, which recent (last 10 years) research indicates is four times greater than families without a history of chemical dependence. Hence the risk for the Wilson children alive now, and also their children.

[kookadams]

Yeah but does anyone know how deep Carl got into coke and smack? Like was he dependent on it and how long did that last? And how did that go for Dennis and Brian? From what Ive read Brian was hooked on coke from the Holland period til he got totally clean in 83. Dennis was more of a drunk than anything from what Ive read.

[Emdeeh]

The only part that matters to me is, that however deeply Carl got into substance abuse, he got past it.

[Lonely Summer]

The only part that matters to me is, that however deeply Carl got into substance abuse, he got past it.

Carl's period of heavy substance abuse appears to have been comparatively short, can't say for sure when it started, if indeed there was a moment where it suddenly devolved into being an outright junkie. Certainly it never showed publicly until Australia 1978. And shortly after he appeared to have cleaned up.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Started mid-70s when his marriage began to unravel at the same time as his back got much worse and the band devolved into an oldies act. Put like that, I can't blame him.

[The 4th Wilson Bro.]

Did Carl actually give up cigarettes (before his fatal illness was diagnosed, I mean)?  I've read that he did and I've read that he didn't.  I hope he did, but, if that's the case, does anyone know when?  I became addicted to cigarettes around the age of 16 and I stopped smoking when I was about 40.  I had progressed to 2 to 2.5 packs a day by the time I said "nuff."  Now, more than 20 years have passed and there's still no indication that I ever suffered any permanent lung damage or other health problems.

Medical research/human experience seems to show that the negative effects of smoking on the human body often starts reversing itself as soon as a smoker becomes a nonsmoker.  If Carl put down his smokes as early as the mid-80s, as some say, it would seem to suggest – well, I'm not sure what it suggests.

In the end, I guess it doesn't matter.  I just can't help but wonder why my favorite Beach Boy – the man with the world's greatest voice – developed lung cancer when so many others (including myself) were able to avoid that fate.

[Emdeeh]

Carl quit smoking in the mid-80s. When I met him in 1984, he was no longer smoking (and since I'm allergic to smoke, I notice things like that).

[The 4th Wilson Bro.]

Carl quit smoking in the mid-80s. When I met him in 1984, he was no longer smoking (and since I'm allergic to smoke, I notice things like that).

It seems odd, then (and more than a little unlucky for Carl) that he stopped smoking at least 13 years before he was diagnosed with lung cancer in 1997.  Then again, maybe it's commonplace for someone who stops smoking to develop lung cancer many years later.  I suppose it's possible that Carl's cancer wasn't related to the smoking at all, though I somehow doubt that's the case.

Another question for those more knowledgeable on this topic than myself:  Would Carl (or anyone) have a significantly better chance of surviving lung cancer if diagnosed in 2013?

[Andrew G. Doe]

It seems odd, then (and more than a little unlucky for Carl) that he stopped smoking at least 13 years before he was diagnosed with lung cancer in 1997.

Not really - my father quit in 1980 or so, was diagnosed in 1994. Also, remember Carl's diagnosis included secondaries.

[The Shift]

Agree… I quit a mere five years, three months and 11 days ago but don't believe I escaped that fate just yet.

[NHC]

Agree… I quit a mere five years, three months and 11 days ago but don't believe I escaped that fate just yet.

Well, let's all hope you do.

[bgas]

Agree… I quit a mere five years, three months and 11 days ago but don't believe I escaped that fate just yet.

You just have to sprinkle Grated Frozen Lemons on everything you eat, to ward off cancer... ( but you can never escape your fate)