Help me transcribe Pet Sounds arrangements.

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

Here's my attempt at half of Don't Talk. Let me know if you can hear any mistakes:

EDIT:

Here's the final version:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/u5im81

Might overdub real bass and guitar there at some point.

That's a fine effort, not much to quibble with.  Do you have a midi file version of it?

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

So here's the next question for people, now that WIBN is starting to solidify, on That's Not Me, do you think Carl and Al are doubling the basic guitar line throughout?  They're both on the AFM sheet, but it's pretty tight to be doubled, and yet there are times when it does sound a little chorusy.

[DonnyL]

So here's the next question for people, now that WIBN is starting to solidify, on That's Not Me, do you think Carl and Al are doubling the basic guitar line throughout?  They're both on the AFM sheet, but it's pretty tight to be doubled, and yet there are times when it does sound a little chorusy.

The 12-string part? I don't think so. The song is kind of 'sloppy' in general for those parts to be that tight. I vote Al on tambourine.

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

So here's the next question for people, now that WIBN is starting to solidify, on That's Not Me, do you think Carl and Al are doubling the basic guitar line throughout?  They're both on the AFM sheet, but it's pretty tight to be doubled, and yet there are times when it does sound a little chorusy.

The 12-string part? I don't think so. The song is kind of 'sloppy' in general for those parts to be that tight. I vote Al on tambourine.

No, not the 12-string.  The 6-string on the basic track.  Ron Swallow was on Tambourine.

[king of anglia]

Here's my attempt at half of Don't Talk. Let me know if you can hear any mistakes:

EDIT:

Here's the final version:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/u5im81

Might overdub real bass and guitar there at some point.

That's a fine effort, not much to quibble with.  Do you have a midi file version of it?

Thanks. Yep, I'll upload it now.

Just checking the instrumentation:

Bowed double bass
Organ
Guitar
Fender Bass
Piano
String Quartet (Cello, Viola x2, Violin)
Cymbal
Timpani

Does that sound right?

Here's the midi file:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/j4ij6r

Is it F# or Gb? Does it make a difference?

[Iron Horse-Apples]

There's a  Piccolo trumpet in there too I think, on the string break just before the vox come back in. Just one note.

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

There's no trumpeter on the AFM.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Somewhere I read, and I really thought it was this song, that someone added just one trumpet note. It was touted as an example of how Brian always knew exactly what he wanted soundwise. Anyone remember this?

[hypehat]

In the right channel of the stereo backing track, there's certainly a note there which sounds a bit like it - but I think it's strings, seeing as it's on the string overdub too. Either that or mixed nigh on imperceptible. Just weighing in with my cloth ears.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Yes , you're probably right. The only reference I could find to a solo trumpet note was in the Making Of Pet Sounds book from the boxset. It doesn't mention a specific song though. Can't remember where the Don't Talk  reference was from, but at my age you have to expect this.

[metal flake paint]

So here's the next question for people, now that WIBN is starting to solidify, on That's Not Me, do you think Carl and Al are doubling the basic guitar line throughout?  They're both on the AFM sheet, but it's pretty tight to be doubled, and yet there are times when it does sound a little chorusy.

I've seen conflicting reports that Al sat this session out. As all the PS notes I've read show different musicians, is there a definitive, or close to, list of personnel for this session?

[puni puni]

Sorry I'm not helping out as much as I'd like to, only because I can't stand listening to the music without having a cup of tea. I don't think those bass guitars are double-tracked because you don't hear a cacophony of them towards the end of the track when everything falls apart.

Didn't somebody make a wiki recently? All of these notes should be copy pasted on their respective song articles because otherwise it's hard keeping track...

Also, what kind of bass exactly are you using for that IKTAA experiment? I've been looking for one with that particular sound for obvious reasons.

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

That is my Fender jaguar bass. 

[hypehat]

So here's the next question for people, now that WIBN is starting to solidify, on That's Not Me, do you think Carl and Al are doubling the basic guitar line throughout?  They're both on the AFM sheet, but it's pretty tight to be doubled, and yet there are times when it does sound a little chorusy.

I've seen conflicting reports that Al sat this session out. As all the PS notes I've read show different musicians, is there a definitive, or close to, list of personnel for this session?

That guitar line always sounded like one guitar to me - its not chorusy enough, if you see what I mean. Either that or Al and Carl could have joined The JB's, if they could play that tight.

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

So here's the next question for people, now that WIBN is starting to solidify, on That's Not Me, do you think Carl and Al are doubling the basic guitar line throughout?  They're both on the AFM sheet, but it's pretty tight to be doubled, and yet there are times when it does sound a little chorusy.

I've seen conflicting reports that Al sat this session out. As all the PS notes I've read show different musicians, is there a definitive, or close to, list of personnel for this session?

That guitar line always sounded like one guitar to me - its not chorusy enough, if you see what I mean. Either that or Al and Carl could have joined The JB's, if they could play that tight.

I'm inclined to agree, but there are times when it sounds just off enough.  Maybe al joined some lines but not others?

[puni puni]

That is my Fender jaguar bass. 

Are you palm-muting the strings? Is that how you get *that* sound? I always thought a Jaguar sounded too grungy.

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

That's right.  A little light palm muting can save the sound of almost any bass.

[hypehat]

So here's the next question for people, now that WIBN is starting to solidify, on That's Not Me, do you think Carl and Al are doubling the basic guitar line throughout?  They're both on the AFM sheet, but it's pretty tight to be doubled, and yet there are times when it does sound a little chorusy.

I've seen conflicting reports that Al sat this session out. As all the PS notes I've read show different musicians, is there a definitive, or close to, list of personnel for this session?

That guitar line always sounded like one guitar to me - its not chorusy enough, if you see what I mean. Either that or Al and Carl could have joined The JB's, if they could play that tight.

I'm inclined to agree, but there are times when it sounds just off enough.  Maybe al joined some lines but not others?

Yeah, and there are clearly two guitars on the track - the first chorus and the fade has them playing different things. The stereo backing track buries them in the mix during the second verse somewhat, irritatingly. Do we reckon Carl took those high fills during the chorus, and Al played the low rhythm (just thonking on the root note in the end/chorus), or vice versa?

The session excerpt sounds like one guitar playing the line, and I think the UM shows that the fills were overdubbed - if it's isolated in one channel on those, it's an overdub, I seem to recall, but it's been a while since I listened to them obsessively.

The first instrumental insert has the fills in the right speaker, the second has a second bass and guitar part which doubles the pre-chorus bit, which might explain our wobble, and a double of the fill in the chorus, and the third adds percussion, but the verse guitar seems to be staying the same apart from the aforementioned double.

I think it's one guitar, except doubled on the 'just one girllll' bit?