Forgetting Someone?

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

http://news.yahoo.com/enduring-pop-culture-icons-shine-183413206.html

 

[SloopJohnnyB]

The Beach Boys had a lot of publicity this year. How soon people forget. It's an insult that they aren't included there. 50 years.

[Cabinessenceking]

Those who care know that this is a good year for the BB's. Those who don't know won't change because of some yahoo mention. I don't really care if they're into Taylor Swift or whatever. I'm just glad many people still cherish the Beach Boys and through their support and fan loyalty contributed to the realisation of the 50th anniversairy!

[CenturyDeprived]

I'm thinking... safe to assume that this omission wouldn't have been the case if the 50th Anniversary reunion hadn't disappeared in a puff of smoke, along with the awkward public transition back into the late 2012 BB equaling the Mike + Bruce show?

I'll just bet if the public goodwill between the band members was still happening, and reunion was still going, they'd be on there. Bummer.

[I. Spaceman]

No, they really are still not on the radar in terms of the type of widespread respect accorded folks like the Stones.

[CenturyDeprived]

No, they really are still not on the radar in terms of the type of widespread respect accorded folks like the Stones.

True, absolutely... but it just seems like every time they inch closer to some kind of relevance/respect in that stratosphere, they blow it, much like the famous Jack Rieley quote.

And as a fan, that sucks, man.

Of course, it doesn't *really* matter if the BBs make a certain list, or win a Grammy, but things like blowing the C50 goodwill perpetually keep the BBs as the underdogs in terms of public respect, a position that they've been for so many years. It's such a chronic, bizarre problem with this band...

[Rocky Raccoon]

The momentum died when the tour ended.  The anticlimactic nature of the Beach Boys returning to its Mike Love led formation made the reunion seem like a sham, even if the shows themselves were great.  They did something big and just went right back to the way things were and so the media loses interest, the press loses interest, and even some fans probably lost interest.  But it's not their fault.  It's whoever does the band's PR and Mike for thinking it would be a good idea to begin touring again using the Beach Boys name a mere one week after the reunion tour ended.  I'm not saying Mike fired them or whatever people think he did but it was still an ill-advised decision and he should have given more thought to it.

[Andrew G. Doe]

The momentum died when the tour ended.  The anticlimactic nature of the Beach Boys returning to its Mike Love led formation made the reunion seem like a sham, even if the shows themselves were great.  They did something big and just went right back to the way things were and so the media loses interest, the press loses interest, and even some fans probably lost interest.  But it's not their fault.  It's whoever does the band's PR and Mike for thinking it would be a good idea to begin touring again using the Beach Boys name a mere one week after the reunion tour ended.  I'm not saying Mike fired them or whatever people think he did but it was still an ill-advised decision and he should have given more thought to it.

The original end date of the C50 tour was August 15th, and that's what Mike had in mind when the October M&B shows were booked. Then, the tour was extended, thus it looked like Mike couldn't wait to get back to touring with 'his' band. Would you rather Mike had said "no" to extending the tour, as he very well could have ?

[Wirestone]

The momentum died when the tour ended.  The anticlimactic nature of the Beach Boys returning to its Mike Love led formation made the reunion seem like a sham, even if the shows themselves were great.  They did something big and just went right back to the way things were and so the media loses interest, the press loses interest, and even some fans probably lost interest.  But it's not their fault.  It's whoever does the band's PR and Mike for thinking it would be a good idea to begin touring again using the Beach Boys name a mere one week after the reunion tour ended.  I'm not saying Mike fired them or whatever people think he did but it was still an ill-advised decision and he should have given more thought to it.

The original end date of the C50 tour was August 15th, and that's what Mike had in mind when the October M&B shows were booked. Then, the tour was extended, thus it looked like Mike couldn't wait to get back to touring with 'his' band. Would you rather Mike had said "no" to extending the tour, as he very well could have ?

The very fact that Mike would even book a tour of his group after the C50 tour demonstrates an utter lack of understanding of the group he purports to esteem so highly. They had the chance to cement their legacy this year. They got so close. And then Mike bollixed it up out of ego. The story is as simple as that.

[gfac22]

The original end date of the C50 tour was August 15th, and that's what Mike had in mind when the October M&B shows were booked. Then, the tour was extended, thus it looked like Mike couldn't wait to get back to touring with 'his' band. Would you rather Mike had said "no" to extending the tour, as he very well could have ?

Don't try to defend what Mike did!  He fired Brian and Al and Dave!  Everything wrong with the world is his fault and you know it!!

(But seriously, isn't the "Mike ruined the reunion tour" horse beaten beyond recognition by now?)

[SMiLE Brian]

I am really starting to think that Mike thinks he is really the BBs and also believes public doesn't care about Brian being with the group.

[CenturyDeprived]

The momentum died when the tour ended.  The anticlimactic nature of the Beach Boys returning to its Mike Love led formation made the reunion seem like a sham, even if the shows themselves were great.  They did something big and just went right back to the way things were and so the media loses interest, the press loses interest, and even some fans probably lost interest.  But it's not their fault.  It's whoever does the band's PR and Mike for thinking it would be a good idea to begin touring again using the Beach Boys name a mere one week after the reunion tour ended.  I'm not saying Mike fired them or whatever people think he did but it was still an ill-advised decision and he should have given more thought to it.

The original end date of the C50 tour was August 15th, and that's what Mike had in mind when the October M&B shows were booked. Then, the tour was extended, thus it looked like Mike couldn't wait to get back to touring with 'his' band. Would you rather Mike had said "no" to extending the tour, as he very well could have ?

The very fact that Mike would even book a tour of his group after the C50 tour demonstrates an utter lack of understanding of the group he purports to esteem so highly. They had the chance to cement their legacy this year. They got so close. And then Mike bollixed it up out of ego. The story is as simple as that.

I guess what you said also hit me when I was at the store the other day and saw the Blu-ray of "Doin' it Again" sitting on the shelf. I haven't bought it yet partly because of the bittersweetness I'm sure I'd feel watching it after what actually became of the "reunion". I'll probably want to buy it at some point down the line, if only for the bonus '66 GV studio footage... but right now, I couldn't really be bothered, even with a gift card in hand.  And I say that being a hardcore fan myself... I imagine it would be an odd proposition to make a more casual fan to want to buy "Doin' it Again" these days.

Now you know, I hate to be a downer, but this is how I'm feeling about everything these days...

[HeyJude]

The momentum died when the tour ended.  The anticlimactic nature of the Beach Boys returning to its Mike Love led formation made the reunion seem like a sham, even if the shows themselves were great.  They did something big and just went right back to the way things were and so the media loses interest, the press loses interest, and even some fans probably lost interest.  But it's not their fault.  It's whoever does the band's PR and Mike for thinking it would be a good idea to begin touring again using the Beach Boys name a mere one week after the reunion tour ended.  I'm not saying Mike fired them or whatever people think he did but it was still an ill-advised decision and he should have given more thought to it.

The original end date of the C50 tour was August 15th, and that's what Mike had in mind when the October M&B shows were booked. Then, the tour was extended, thus it looked like Mike couldn't wait to get back to touring with 'his' band. Would you rather Mike had said "no" to extending the tour, as he very well could have ?

The very fact that Mike would even book a tour of his group after the C50 tour demonstrates an utter lack of understanding of the group he purports to esteem so highly. They had the chance to cement their legacy this year. They got so close. And then Mike bollixed it up out of ego. The story is as simple as that.

Thank you! Again! Once again you've put most succinctly what would take me repetitive, rambling paragraphs.

[Andrew G. Doe]

And then Mike bollixed it up out of ego. The story is as simple as that.

The story is nothing like as simple as that.

[Rocky Raccoon]

I'm not talking about what it was, I'm talking about what it appeared to be and what was perceived by the media and for a lot of the public.

Also, yes, I know the tour was extended.  But Mike and whoever else is in charge of that sort of thing at BRI should have had the good sense to know not to book shows so far in advance when he was already part of something that was bigger and more profitable than any of that.  And with his reputation, he couldn't have thought that something good could have come out of the way it was handled.  If anything, he should have canceled those dates with his band and had consulted thoroughly with Brian and Al before making any further plans.

[EgoHanger1966]

I am really starting to think that Mike thinks he is really the BBs and also believes public doesn't care about Brian being with the group.

If there's one thing Mike isn't, it's stupid. He knows Brian has loyal fans and followers. He also heard the applause and support for Brian during the C50 shows. There was a palpable feeling when he is on stage - it's just different when Brian is there. If he didn't think the public didn't care about Brian being a part of the fold, he wouldn't have bothered with a 50th reunion lineup in the first place.

[HeyJude]

And then Mike bollixed it up out of ego. The story is as simple as that.

The story is nothing like as simple as that.

Nor is it as simple as "the tour had an agreed upon end date, it was extended, and now they are doing what was originaly planned and agreed upon."

Nobody has been able to refute the strong likelihood that if Mike had not booked more of his shows and if he had agreed to more reunion shows, there would have already been or would soon be more reunion shows. That part of it is simple. Even Mike's own statements have shown that he is the one who, for a variety of reasons that may or may not be justifiable to fans and the band itself, stopped more reunion shows from happening.

[Cam Mott]

All it would take is a vote if the others really wanted it. Maybe they didn't really want it.

[Alex]

Why not an Al-Brian-Dave lineup?

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Why not an Al-Brian-Dave lineup?

Boring.

[HeyJude]

Why not an Al-Brian-Dave lineup?

Boring.

Totally disagree. It's as exciting as anything related to the BB's outside of a reunion. It shouldn't be called "The Beach Boys" either, but a chance to hear and see more of Al and David in particular would be great.

[HeyJude]

All it would take is a vote if the others really wanted it. Maybe they didn't really want it.

I've pointed out numerous times that the others most likely don't want it. They clearly wanted and/or want to do more reunion stuff, but that's different from simply moving to strip Mike of the use of the name.

I haven't really seen anybody that truly believes Brian and Al will move to take the license away from Mike. A few have simply posed the question, just sort of wondering out loud.

It's also perhaps a bit early to say with 100% certainty what they "want" or what they plan as it relates to the license.

[Ron]

"At that point my attorney merely suggested to Mike's attorney that a possible press release in those markets might be appropriate to stop the confusion, which was in no one's best interest. " 

- Brian Wilson

[Ron]

Brian will never stop Mike from using the name, Brian's been sitting at home while Mike earns him money since 1965.  Why would he stop that?  Brian makes money off 2 bands right now, if he took the name he'd only make money off 1 band, and have to pay Mike for it?  No thank you. 

[HeyJude]

Brian will never stop Mike from using the name, Brian's been sitting at home while Mike earns him money since 1965.  Why would he stop that?  Brian makes money off 2 bands right now, if he took the name he'd only make money off 1 band, and have to pay Mike for it?  No thank you. 

I agree that it's highly unlikely Brian will ever stop Mike from using the name. But Brian almost certainly would make significantly *more* money using the BB name himself than he does touring solo and taking his 1/4 cut of the license fee he gets from Mike's tour, *if* Brian actually toured as constantly as Mike does, and operated under the same basic financial structure. This of course would never happen, as it would require ten thousand percent more effort for maybe only a few times more money.

The only possibly scenario I could see Brian attempting to move towards stripping Mike of the license is if Brian was doing it to attempt to essentially force Mike into touring in the reunion configuration. As I've mentioned a number of times, a reunion under duress is something I doubt Brian or anybody wants.