Does it make you sad?

[Newguy562]

I think it's incredibly sad when ANYONE has a mental illness or drug addiction, regardless of how they do or do not affect me.

Well it's even worse when that person has talent and a gift that they could share with the world.

[KittyKat]

You could look at it another way in that the music that Brian completed in an amazingly short period of time may have been due to being ill, too, sort of a type of manic phase. It may also have inspired him in ways that people without such an illness would not be capable of. He was lucky to have completed so many commercially and artistically successful pieces of music in such a short burst  and that it also provided him with a lifetime of financial security. Brian had sad times, but overall his life has been really happy compared to most people with his health history. I've never felt he short-changed himself or the world.  I think Brian would consider himself a lucky man indeed.

[runnersdialzero]

I think it's incredibly sad when ANYONE has a mental illness or drug addiction, regardless of how they do or do not affect me.

Well it's even worse when that person has talent and a gift that they could share with the world.

And he did. A lot of folks who are in his position aren't able to, but he did.

[Wild-Honey]

That's exactly how I feel. When I seen the movie (An American Family) with her and it showed Brian's mental breakdown she thought it was funny and laughed at his eccentric behavior.  It really pissed me off because that wasn't some junkie hooked on drugs it's someone that I admire/respect and has brought me happiness through music. [/quote]

"Some junkie hooked on drugs"    That attitude makes me sad.  

[Newguy562]

That's exactly how I feel. When I seen the movie (An American Family) with her and it showed Brian's mental breakdown she thought it was funny and laughed at his eccentric behavior.  It really pissed me off because that wasn't some junkie hooked on drugs it's someone that I admire/respect and has brought me happiness through music.

"Some junkie hooked on drugs"    That attitude makes me sad.  
[/quote]
Well it's the truth...Brian's special. 

[runnersdialzero]

That's exactly how I feel. When I seen the movie (An American Family) with her and it showed Brian's mental breakdown she thought it was funny and laughed at his eccentric behavior.  It really pissed me off because that wasn't some junkie hooked on drugs it's someone that I admire/respect and has brought me happiness through music.

"Some junkie hooked on drugs"    That attitude makes me sad.  

Indeed.

[Newguy562]

That's exactly how I feel. When I seen the movie (An American Family) with her and it showed Brian's mental breakdown she thought it was funny and laughed at his eccentric behavior.  It really pissed me off because that wasn't some junkie hooked on drugs it's someone that I admire/respect and has brought me happiness through music.

"Some junkie hooked on drugs"    That attitude makes me sad.  

Indeed.

I know it sounds f*cked up but Brian is more important than an average Junkie. (I know we are all equal but Brian is not a human he's a musical prophet.) 

[EgoHanger1966]

I think to call Brian Wilson a flat out 'junkie' is a mistake- you need to look his life from different perspectives and from different time periods. Of course this is more opinion based from an outsider's view than anything - but Brian's drug taking in the mid 60s seemed to be farther than anything resembling junkie status - he was more intellectually stimulating musically and creatively than ever before. He was tuned in. I love reading interviews and articles about him from this time - surely some of it was Derek Taylor hype, but his attitudes were progressive and he seemed very fast-witted.

His quote/unquote cocaine years are an entirely different thing - it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that he used drugs in that period to take him away from his personal hell.

And, to your above post - Brian is human, far more human than most of us here. He just had a very unique and individual talent. He is no more important than anyone else just because of his fame and I don't think he'd want you to think he is.

[Gertie J.]

Right on, Ego.

[Newguy562]

I think to call Brian Wilson a flat out 'junkie' is a mistake- you need to look his life from different perspectives and from different time periods. Of course this is more opinion based from an outsider's view than anything - but Brian's drug taking in the mid 60s seemed to be farther than anything resembling junkie status - he was more intellectually stimulating musically and creatively than ever before. He was tuned in. I love reading interviews and articles about him from this time - surely some of it was Derek Taylor hype, but his attitudes were progressive and he seemed very fast-witted.

His quote/unquote cocaine years are an entirely different thing - it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that he used drugs in that period to take him away from his personal hell.

And, to your above post - Brian is human, far more human than most of us here. He just had a very unique and individual talent. He is no more important than anyone else just because of his fame and I don't think he'd want you to think he is.

His fame?  I don't give a damn about how famous he is. He is above us all his talents puts him on a pedestal ..How could you even compare him to a regular like you? (What gift do you have? ...thank you.  )

[EgoHanger1966]

You seriously think that? It's not even worth doing this, because I can't tell if you're a troll or just a misguided soul. But, whatever....

Brian Wilson is more talented than all of the SS board members combined. But what makes Brian Wilson a better human being than anyone else? Talent doesn't make you a fucking prophet. The man is a musical genius. He isn't God. Worship his talent and his presence all you want - that's fine. I find more religion in Brian's music than I do in, well, anything. But, the man sleeps, eats, drinks....he's no different in that regard. His sh*t stinks, too.

And I don't appreciate the "what gift do you have" remark. There are a few choice adjectives I'd like to use, pal. I won't.

[Aegir]

You seriously think that? It's not even worth doing this, because I can't tell if you're a troll or just a misguided soul. But, whatever....

Newguy is and has always been a troll. he's just doing it slightly more subtly now.

[Wild-Honey]

You seriously think that? It's not even worth doing this, because I can't tell if you're a troll or just a misguided soul. But, whatever....

Newguy is and has always been a troll. he's just doing it slightly more subtly now.

That.  Or he's 13.   

[Newguy562]

You seriously think that? It's not even worth doing this, because I can't tell if you're a troll or just a misguided soul. But, whatever....

Newguy is and has always been a troll. he's just doing it slightly more subtly now.

That.  Or he's 13.   

I'm 15 now thank you very much  lol jk

[Newguy562]

You seriously think that? It's not even worth doing this, because I can't tell if you're a troll or just a misguided soul. But, whatever....

Newguy is and has always been a troll. he's just doing it slightly more subtly now.

Hey I don't like to be called that  I might say some outrageous stuff on here but I'm far from a troll.

[Jim V.]

lawl, newguy, I love ya and all, but you gotta let go of this "Brian really lost his mind after Pet Sounds. Oh GOD WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN. THE LOSS. THE PAIN. HE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIS ATTEMPTS AT MUSIC AFTER THAT. I MEAN I GUESS IT'S OKAY THAT HE'S CONTINUED, I'M GLAD HE'S ALIVE, BUT OH WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN" thing that seems to come up every fifth time you post.

He's had some very rough times and is a little worse for wear, but come on. "What could have been" is a hypothetical and doesn't go very far. Consider what was and what is and you'll find a wealth of brilliance is already there and always has been.

Yeah I don't get the whole "oh but he could have been so much more" type thing. Despite what the shitty movies and documentaries say, he was still quite an exciting artist after SMiLE. He did a lot of cool stuff from 1967-1974 and also some more cool stuff after. Possibly more than other "fully functioning" artists. So instead of keeping on about the "myth" I think it's better that we listen to the actual music he really did make and dig that.

Freddy Weller's Brian Wilson breakdown is bad.  Your girlfriend laughed at it for good reason. Remember Elizabeth Berkley's caffeine pill breakdown in that very special saved by the bell? Sort of the same , except a fictional portrayal of a musician, one you have tender feelings for. I get that. I don't think David Ruffin's problems were funny, I have tender feelings for I wish it would rain,  but I sure as hell laugh at the ridiculous "he's clearly spiraling into addiction now" parts in  The Temptations movie. "I'M DAVID RUFFIN!!!!!"

Ain't nobody coming to see you, OTIS!

(Which I agree with by the way. How is there still a Temptations out there that doesn't include David, Eddie, Paul, or Blue? Or even Dennis? Since 4 of them aren't alive, perhaps it's time to retire the name.)

[Aegir]

You seriously think that? It's not even worth doing this, because I can't tell if you're a troll or just a misguided soul. But, whatever....

Newguy is and has always been a troll. he's just doing it slightly more subtly now.

Hey I don't like to be called that   I might say some outrageous stuff on here but I'm far from a troll.

on here? more like everywhere on the internet.

http://www.musicbanter.com/lounge/62735-homies-cheating-girlfriend.html

you must be pretty bored to do this to various different groups of people.

[18thofMay]

You seriously think that? It's not even worth doing this, because I can't tell if you're a troll or just a misguided soul. But, whatever....

Newguy is and has always been a troll. he's just doing it slightly more subtly now.

Hey I don't like to be called that   I might say some outrageous stuff on here but I'm far from a troll.

on here? more like everywhere on the internet.

http://www.musicbanter.com/lounge/62735-homies-cheating-girlfriend.html

you must be pretty bored to do this to various different groups of people.

SHOCK AND AWE!!!

And from that other thread

It's time this poor excuse of a soap opera came to an end.

You have no intention of taking anybodies advice and are now just trolling.

Closed.


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[Myk Luhv]

I'm just going to say here, in this thread, that I wish there would be a time when people stopped construing genius as some kind of inexplicable talent flowing from its creator that cannot be completely understood by analysis, that there is always something "more" to the creation. (Of course, as I've said before [argued for expertly in Battersby 1989], exactly that notion of genius is given to us by the Romantics, virtually unchanged.) I think Brian Wilson himself honestly did say it best when he quipped that he's just hard-working.

[Newguy562]

You seriously think that? It's not even worth doing this, because I can't tell if you're a troll or just a misguided soul. But, whatever....

Newguy is and has always been a troll. he's just doing it slightly more subtly now.

Hey I don't like to be called that   I might say some outrageous stuff on here but I'm far from a troll.

on here? more like everywhere on the internet.

http://www.musicbanter.com/lounge/62735-homies-cheating-girlfriend.html

you must be pretty bored to do this to various different groups of people.

You follow me from site to site it's just creepy as hell...Stop being such a lurker..
I know you love the beach boys but I also know you're my biggest fan  

[Gertie J.]

OH. MY. GOD. can you guys just stay on topic sometimes? seriously who gives a frickin' care about the op's private life?

[Newguy562]

OH. MY. GOD. can you guys just stay on topic sometimes? seriously who gives a frickin' care about the op's private life?

He cares  such a creeper...I know many of us sympathize for Brian but what about Denny?

[MBE]

Well that movie doesn't tell it like it is. Brian had sad days before he had a major breakdown, and he had good days even at his worst. It's not a case of him being on a constant bummer. Maybe it got close at times from 1973-82, but the in's and outs of Brian is complex. He didn't suddenly freak out after Smile never leaving his room, he had a gradually worsening depression that at times had him relatively inactive. The drugs weren't a real issue in the sixties, and if there's anything to really feel sad about its what Landy did to him. The drugs he was given by that ass caused more damage than cocaine, acid, and herion combined.

But by then (Landy era) He was long gone and although it was still sad he was way past his prime so it doesn't hit me as hard as it does in the later 60's. By the 80's most of his contemporaries were washed up anyways or out of the business.
He contributed so much to Pop music but if he held it all together for at least 5 more years who knows how much would be now. Maybe they would be more respected (whenever I mention them people think they are an oldie group rather than one of the most innovative groups of all time) and had a better legacy. (Sure his whole mental breakdown adds a little spice to their story but I care more about their music then their story to be honest.)

Firstly, he wasn't 'long gone' in the eighties. He was -- and had been for decades -- suffering from an untreated, but not an untreatable, mental illness. Landy actually caused significant irreversible brain damage, as far as anyone can tell.

Secondly, do you realise how callous you sound here? Brian's illness makes you sad, not because he's a human being who's suffered horrifically, but because you (think you) missed out on some music..

And in the five years after Smile, Brian produced some of his best music -- Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, Friends, 20/20, Sunflower and Surf's Up all hold up wonderfully against anything pre-Pet Sounds. Brian's health didn't really become awful until after Murry's death.

Please stop basing your opinions on a tenth-rate made-for-TV film rather than on reality.

+1 and Spring is great too.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Put Brian on a pedestal ?  Two things:

1. There are posters here who could tell you BW stories that would make your eyebrows fall out.

2 . The Bloo is that way. 

[Newguy562]

Put Brian on a pedestal ?  Two things:

1. There are posters here who could tell you BW stories that would make your eyebrows fall out.

2 . The Bloo is that way. 

Tell me at least one story.