"Spanish guitar" segment

[Sheriff John Stone]

After listening to the same SMiLE fan mix for awhile now, it's time to reconfigure a new one. But I never know what to do with the "Spanish guitar" segment/outtake from circa 1966-67. I have three quick questions regarding the piece:
 
1) Yes or no, is it in fact a SMiLE outttake?

2) If yes, what song was it associated with?

3) Does anybody include it on their personal SMiLE mix CD?

[windchimes]

hmm, spanish guitar segment? Could anybody tell me which boot this is on so I can give it another listen? I have probably heard it before, just not by that name.

[Bosco82]

It is listed as Untitled Instrumental on disc 2 track 10 of Secret SMiLE.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Have never heard it before...

[jazzfascist]

It sounds like one of those cinematic pieces á la the intro to "Child Is The Father Of The Man", like something out of a soundtrack to a western, a sleepy afternoon in a little westen town. Maybe you could use it after "Heroes And Villains" as an intro to "Cabinessence" or something else.

Søren

[buddhahat]

This doesn't sound like a Smile piece to me so I've always disregarded it but if anyone has any evidence to the contary it'd be interesting to hear about ...

[Jonas]

I'd like to hear this piece too...is it uploaded anywhere?

[Third Coast]

Found it here...

http://rapidshare.de/files/17584171/10_-_Untitled_Instrumental.mp3.html

[Bicyclerider]

According to the source of the leaked piece, it's definitely SMile vintage, but there's never been any proof offered.  It sounds more SMiley in production style.  And I don't know the source, so I can't ask him/her.

Not associated with any song that we know - probably a side trip, like Little Red Book, With Me Tonight.

[Third Coast]

The organ is more Smiley than SMiLE, to me.  Btw, when this first surfaced, the word was that it was found on the same tape with "Mona Kani" and at least one unspecified SMiLE track.  Is that still thought to be the case?

Upon the first few listens, it did not sound like a SMiLE thing as a rule, but on further listening it's a bit in the same vein as "Whispering Winds."

[XY]

Isn't the title of this song "Doves Of Free"?

[Bicyclerider]

Oh, and I asked Alan Boyd about it and he said it had not yet been found/catalogued in the tape archive.  So either they haven't gotten to it yet, or the tape is missing (well, missing from the archive, it's out there somewhere).

[c-man]

One thing's for sure...if SMiLE had been released in '67 like it was intended to be, and if all the stuff Brian recorded during the SMiLE "era" of '66-'67 had actually made it to the album, it would've had to have been a double-album.  'Cause even with a few things left off (such as "He Gives Speeches" and some of the "H&V" Pt. II stuff), "BWPS" in 2004 STILL clocked in at 47 minutes.  Since I'm not aware of SMiLE '67 being considered as a double LP, obviously lots of stuff would've ended up on he cutting room floor.   There was just no way to make it ALL fit on a single LP, at least not one that met the fidelity standard of the day. 

C-Man

[Sheriff John Stone]

One thing's for sure...if SMiLE had been released in '67 like it was intended to be, and if all the stuff Brian recorded during the SMiLE "era" of '66-'67 had actually made it to the album, it would've had to have been a double-album.   

C-Man

Absolutely.

So I wonder, when you're making/compiling your 1966-67 SMiLE mix CD, either for yourself or for somebody else you're trying to enlighten, do you stick to the basic 17 songs from BWPS, or do you take the "kitchen sink" approach and include such tracks as "With Me Tonight", "He Gives Speeches", etc. It is tempting when you have 80 minutes to play with...

[Wilsonista]

I stick to  the BWPS lineup. It's Brian's and Van Dyke's lineup. It was always as good as were gonna get as far as a true lineup. I wouldn't bother putting in stuff like "He Gives Speeches".  When  you make movies you always more than what you need. The same with SMiLE. Hell, look at the Good Vibrations sessions alone! By your logic, GV should have been a 3 hour single instead of a 3 minute one.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Right on.

[Sheriff John Stone]

Hell, look at the Good Vibrations sessions alone! By your logic, GV should have been a 3 hour single instead of a 3 minute one.

I'm not advocating either choice - sticking to the BWPS line-up or the "kitchen sink" approach. I just get a kick out of making my own personal SMiLE CD's, that's all. I was curious what the consensus was on this board. I was watching The Masters, there was a commercial, thought I'd check the message board and ask the question...

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

I was watching The Masters, there was a commercial

Because as is a long standing tradition, they'll continue to bring us 56 minutes of golf action out of every hour!

[Surfer Joe]

Pulsating, throbbing, senses-shattering golf action.

[Reverend Joshua Sloane]

Good God this is fascinating! Just when you think you have Brian Wilson figured out someone throws this piece at you. This is like sitting behind an old building made from stone, the evening sun casting down warmly on everyone. Sly smiles, handshakes, beautiful women, horses resting in the shade, children peeping from nearby windows.

There's organ, keyboard, acoustic guitar, and what seems to be a stand-up bass at the very start of the guitar track. I like to think that SMiLE would've have been more daring and revolutionary than the tracklisting we're presented on BWPS. Sure I imagine the "big" songs to all get their time on the album, but I always thought that all these odd peices would crop up and just be there for a cool few seconds as something to marvel over. I don't think there's any other album like that.

[Third Coast]

Sure I imagine the "big" songs to all get their time on the album, but I always thought that all these odd peices would crop up and just be there for a cool few seconds as something to marvel over. I don't think there's any other album like that.

But by and large those odd little pieces are on BWPS.  There are some things I wished had made the cut, this segment included, but an awful lot of it is there.

[Sheriff John Stone]

There are some things I wished had made the cut, this segment included, but an awful lot of it is there.

My sentiments exactly!

Well, the Masters is over now. If Tiger would've made a couple of those makeable putts...

Anyway, the "Spanish guitar segment" is back on my SMiLE mix CD after a long absence. When BWPS came out, I paired the mix CD down to run the approximate time of BWPS. I tried to be true to Darian and Jeff's vision. Oh yeah, and Brian's.

But it's fun to interchange the parts and songs. I like to pretend I'm Brian Wilson in the studio back in 1966-67 and construct the SMiLE puzzle. I got one of those re-recordable CD's and have used it frequently. Sometimes I put "Our Prayer" first, sometimes I put "Well, You're Welcome" first. Sometimes I end with "Surf's Up", sometimes I end with "Heroes And Villains" (with the Barnyard fade going over the horizon), and so on. You can obssess over it. Tinkering, tinkering. Editing, editing. Shuffling, shuffling. It's easy to see what Brian was facing back then. What stays and what goes. What do I like, and what would the friend who I'm making the CD like.

But it's harmless fun. And there truly is no other music quite like it.

 

[onkster]

Even with the "kitchen sink" mentality, wouldn't you want to draw the line at including, say, "Little Red Book"? 'Cos even though it's SMiLE vintage, it sure doesn't feel like it was meant to fit in anywhere.

I did included the "mamamamamama" chant thing in a little medley once called "Wonderful to say Mama/Love to say Dada/Child is Father of the Man"--which thematically came right after Wonderful and had a woman + man = child thing going.

But I would still prefer the BWPS version!  For me, that leap from Wonderful into Song for Children...heaven!
-Onkster

[XY]

Brian told many times that they had 2 movements in 1967 and created a third one in 2003. Sometimes I believe him.
"Little Red Book" was a valentines day present for Marilyn and probably had nothing to do with SMILE.
What about "In The Midnight Hour", did anyone hear it?

[Sheriff John Stone]

Even with the "kitchen sink" mentality, wouldn't you want to draw the line at including, say, "Little Red Book"? 'Cos even though it's SMiLE vintage, it sure doesn't feel like it was meant to fit in anywhere.

Yes, Onkster, I do draw the line. So I guess you could actually call it "quasi-kitchen sink".

I do leave off "Little Red Book". I still don't know what to think about "Tones" - is it SMiLE related, is it Brian or Carl? "With Me Tonight" comes and goes. For awhile, I used "With Me Tonight" from Smiley Smile. Now, I use that snippet from the Hawthorne CD. I used to work Mama Mama Mama in there. I can't seem to find a version of "I'm In Great Shape" that I'm happy with. I have yet to find a home for "He Gives Speeches". And as I mentioned above, even though "You're Welcome" was not intended for SMiLE (I think-who knows?), I usually start off the CD with it, followed by "Do You Dig Worms". 

One thing I recently added was a "hidden track", using that low volume Boy/Girl "Heroes And Villains" vocal snippet (about 30 seconds of it) from the Hawthorne CD. I like to put it about 15-16 seconds after "Surf's Up, to end the CD.

I'm never really finished, it's always changing. When I'm making a SMiLE mix CD for somebody else, I know what I like, but I don't if they'll like it. So I like to add more than less. Again, it's not a debate over 1966-67 vs. BWPS. It's just having a little fun with the music. I'd like to know if anybody else has any interesting combinations they throw in their personal mix.