The Genius of Mike Love

[Ron]

Why don't you guys all just whip 'em out and lets break out the ruler, eh?

[Mr. Cohen]

Well, Ron, because then I'd win and it would be over! 

[Danimalist]

"The Child is the Father of the Man" - Mike Love

[Chocolate Shake Man]

"The Child is the Father of the Man" - Mike Love

 

[Danimalist]

Mike should get co-authorship of "Til I Die;" surely it was he who came up with the line in the gorgeous final round of the masterpiece! Only his lyrical genius could have put the icing on the cake of what otherwise would have been more like a Twinkie. This is quite similar to his rightfully being given co-authorship of "Wouldn't It Be Nice" for his pithily summing up what took Tony Asher so many words to even hint at: "Good night, baby. Sleep tight, baby."

[the professor]

""The Child is the Father of the Man - Mike Love

"The Child is the Father of the Man" Wordsworth.

Still waiting for your answer; how many BB are there!

[ontor pertawst]

Doooon't answwwwer! It's a trap!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9-Te-DPbSE

[Cam Mott]

Seems the court found that ownership was vested in Mike and he was wrongfully deprived of rightful credit.

Mike was due rightful credit on many of those songs, yes. But there are a handful of those songs that I still find it hard to believe that Mike co-wrote.

As I understand it Mike didn't claim to be the only writer of lyrics on those songs, he only claimed to be due copyright for what he wrote. He didn't ask for any percentage of credit, the judge/jury came up with some across the board formula I believe. Something like a percentage based on the number of co-contributors I thought I heard.

[Nicko1234]

Not sure why some people are still so threatened by Mike (and the other Beach Boys) being praised sometimes. Praising them doesn`t take anything away from Brian...

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Seems the court found that ownership was vested in Mike and he was wrongfully deprived of rightful credit.

Mike was due rightful credit on many of those songs, yes. But there are a handful of those songs that I still find it hard to believe that Mike co-wrote.

As I understand it Mike didn't claim to be the only writer of lyrics on those songs, he only claimed to be due copyright for what he wrote. He didn't ask for any percentage of credit, the judge/jury came up with some across the board formula I believe. Something like a percentage based on the number of co-contributors I thought I heard.

In that case, Mike should sue Brenton Wood for copyright infringement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPq_eHN3cF8

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Not sure why some people are still so threatened by Mike (and the other Beach Boys) being praised sometimes. Praising them doesn`t take anything away from Brian...

No, but unduly praising someone because that's the way the wind is now blowing rather than doing it because it is deserved takes a lot away from rational discourse.

PS. The OP is just joking anyway.

[Cam Mott]

OK. I don't know what Mike claimed on that song, I only know the fan presumptions about what it was and who was right about who wrote what. 

[Chocolate Shake Man]

OK. I don't know what Mike claimed on that song, I only know the fan presumptions about what it was and who was right about who wrote what. 

Tony Asher himself has stated that Mike had no involvement in the songwriting.

That in itself makes me curious what Gary Usher would have to say about Mike's involvement in songs like "Chug-A-Lug" and "409" and why those songs needed two lyricists.

[Cam Mott]

Tony claims he wrote all of the lyrics, I don't know any different. Some evidence convinced a jury apparently.

[Ziggy Stardust]

This has to be the funniest board i've ever joined.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Tony claims he wrote all of the lyrics, I don't know any different. Some evidence convinced a jury apparently.

Yep, I'm sure it was "some evidence" all right.

[Ron]

This has to be the funniest board i've ever joined.

Why don't you do us a favor and go see if you can top it! 

[KittyKat]

I found a blog post from a long time ago where someone named Andrew Hickey reviewed a show Mike did in England in 2008.  The Beach Boys did Til I Die as part of the set and Mike gave it an introduction saying it was a personal song written by Brian.  Mike's Beach Boys did 50 songs in the set and did part of Pet Sounds too.  Bruce Johnston was quoted that they would never play a show like that in the United States. I wonder what the difference is that Mike allows less known songs in England than he does in America.  The blog:http://olsenbloom.blogspot.com/2008/04/mike-loves-beach-boys-last-night.html

[Ziggy Stardust]

So THAT'S where the info -that "The Beach Boys" played 'Til I Die live- came from !!! and there isn't any mp3/video of it ? jeez
it's about time they start playing it live now again!

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I found a blog post from a long time ago where someone named Andrew Hickey reviewed a show Mike did in England in 2008.  The Beach Boys did Til I Die as part of the set and Mike gave it an introduction saying it was a personal song written by Brian.  Mike's Beach Boys did 50 songs in the set and did part of Pet Sounds too.  Bruce Johnston was quoted that they would never play a show like that in the United States. I wonder what the difference is that Mike allows less known songs in England than he does in America.  The blog:http://olsenbloom.blogspot.com/2008/04/mike-loves-beach-boys-last-night.html

Andrew posts here. The difference is that in England the band was famous for work that in the US would be considered obscure.

[Ziggy Stardust]

This has to be the funniest board i've ever joined.

Why don't you do us a favor and go see if you can top it! 

Only if we do it together babe

[oldsurferdude]

Genius and Myke Luhv do not belong in the same sentence.

[Danimalist]

""The Child is the Father of the Man - Mike Love

"The Child is the Father of the Man" Wordsworth.

Still waiting for your answer; how many BB are there!

"But they are dead; those two are dead!
          Their spirits are in heaven!"
          'Twas throwing words away; for still
          The little Maid would have her will,
          And said, "Nay, we are seven!"

[the professor]

Well done brother, well done brother. I am with you all the way, bound by natural piety.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Not sure why some people are still so threatened by Mike (and the other Beach Boys) being praised sometimes. Praising them doesn`t take anything away from Brian...

No, but unduly praising someone because that's the way the wind is now blowing rather than doing it because it is deserved takes a lot away from rational discourse.

PS. The OP is just joking anyway.

But it seems that basically ANY form of praise of Mike (specifically) seems to be taken as  "undue" and as a threat toward Brian. It seems that praising the guy is fine as long as it's somewhat backhanded and followed by a "BUT"..... It gets old.

It bears repeating that some fans actually love all sides/eras of The Beach Boys. Some more than others, sure, but all the Mike insulting and fine toothed combing of his contributions sucks to have to wallow through for those who are actually fans of the guy and like him.