Show 26: Cynthia Mitchell Woodlands Pavillion- Woodlands, TX 8 June 2012 (SETLI

[Runaways]

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TUlTVmNd3M&feature=relmfu

your vids are a million times better than mine, my camera sucks!

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[Runaways]

I think Brian sees the Beach Boys reunion as basically his reunion with Mike. The other guys, while reasonably pleasant, are incidental. They're distractions. Brian is probably much more interested and engaged by Jeff and his band members than Bruce or Al or Dave.

Meh, bullshit, i think Brian loves being involved with Al. 

[Jonathan Blum]

I don't know what is wrong with Bruce. His very strangely animated behaviour during concerts and these kind of stuff off stage makes me wonder if he really might have some health issues (maybe some medication ?).

The Rolling Stone piece says something about how over the years his internal censor has gone down.  Kind of like if Brian were more talkative -- that same sort of unfiltered whatever-thought-comes-into-his-head way of reacting...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

[Wirestone]

I think Brian sees the Beach Boys reunion as basically his reunion with Mike. The other guys, while reasonably pleasant, are incidental. They're distractions. Brian is probably much more interested and engaged by Jeff and his band members than Bruce or Al or Dave.

Meh, bullsh*t, i think Brian loves being involved with Al. 

He didn't love Waves of the same. And he sure didn't object to Al being let go withdrawing from his solo tour.

[Ron]

I think the Bruce thing is just miscommunication, maybe he misheard something you said, or took something the wrong way. 

You: "I heard there's a nice boxset coming out this fall, can't wait"

He heard: "I heard there's a high-priced boxset coming out this fall, can't wait"


Bruce: "Well, save your pennies then, you and I are through talking!"

See how easy that is to f*** up? 

[Runaways]

I think Brian sees the Beach Boys reunion as basically his reunion with Mike. The other guys, while reasonably pleasant, are incidental. They're distractions. Brian is probably much more interested and engaged by Jeff and his band members than Bruce or Al or Dave.

Meh, bullsh*t, i think Brian loves being involved with Al. 

He didn't love Waves of the same. And he sure didn't object to Al being let go withdrawing from his solo tour.

I doubt he'd give Al the lead on the best song on the album if he didn't appreciate having him around.  It seemed pretty clear last night during "add some music" that brian loves to hear al sing.  

[KittyKat]

Wouldn't Bruce be upset about someone interrupting his conversation with another person?  I know that happens to famous people all the time when someone sees them and wants an autograph or a conversation.  I did it myself one time to thank a performer after a show when I barged into a convo he was having with another fan.  I was quick about it and left him alone but I felt later like I was being rude.  In this case Bruce thought the interrupter was being rude.  He should be used to it by now but maybe the person Bruce was talking to before the interruption was someone important to him or he found his conversation interesting.  Bruce also might have been afraid that he was going to be asked to do another interview on the spot since it was mentioned he did an interview in the past.  I'm not speaking for Bruce of course.  He could just be a rude grumpy old guy.

[JohnMill]

Wouldn't Bruce be upset about someone interrupting his conversation with another person?  I know that happens to famous people all the time when someone sees them and wants an autograph or a conversation.  I did it myself one time to thank a performer after a show when I barged into a convo he was having with another fan.  I was quick about it and left him alone but I felt later like I was being rude.  In this case Bruce thought the interrupter was being rude.  He should be used to it by now but maybe the person Bruce was talking to before the interruption was someone important to him or he found his conversation interesting.  Bruce also might have been afraid that he was going to be asked to do another interview on the spot since it was mentioned he did an interview in the past.  I'm not speaking for Bruce of course.  He could just be a rude grumpy old guy.

Very good points.  I'm of two minds of this.  First off there is no excuse for rudeness.  The old caveat "treat others the way you'd want to be treated yourself" really does apply in a lot of life's situations including approaching entertainers for autographs or whatnot.  There are times when you shouldn't interrupt them, such as when they are having a meal, relaxing with friends or family or obviously in a rush to get somewhere.  Step back for a moment and take out of the equation that so and so is an actor/singer/entertainer and think to yourself, "would I appreciate being approached by a total stranger at this given moment?".  If the answer is "no" it's best to give a wide berth and wait for another opportunity to approach them.

That being said you can easily turn what I just said around on the entertainer.  There are quite frankly a number of entertainers in the industry right now that in my opinion have lost all ability to communicate with their fans.  They don't appreciate them and probably don't respect them all that much either.  They are so locked into their little "Hollywood bubble" that a lot of them really border on being antisocial.  My general feeling on this subject is that if you are an entertainer and you are making your living based on public opinion, you really should have some degree of respect for your fans.  What I mean by that is while everyone is entitled to their privacy, there is really no excuse not to show a little bit of understanding to your fans because most of the time all they really want is to say a few words to you or maybe get a handshake or autograph.  My feeling is that entertainers who can't manage that much at least 50% of the time, more times than not aren't really worthy of fans anyhow because it shows that to them fans are only people who line their pockets with cash.

[JohnMill]

I was there last night. I was in the pit, right up front. Went to the soundcheck, and afterwards the WONDERFUL Probyn handed my wife and I a couple of back stage passes. I also spent WAY WAY too much on merch, but its "THE BOYS", you know?

The concert exceeded my expectations. Wonderful , moving tributes to Dennis and Carl. Glad to see the crowd's reaction to that. And also for the entire crowd (not just us with the BB sickness ) reactions to the rare and new tracks. Truly a magic night. I had heard earlier in the day that Brian was having an "off day" so I was ready for it. And he was. But he is such a trooper. He worked hard at fighting those demons (once saw him during a slow song he wasn't singing close his eyes and was saying something I couldn't make out.).  And to hear Bruce just kick the sh*t out of Disney Girls was so special. All in all, a great night...............................except

I have a question for those in the know about the band (as I don't follow the rest of the group much). When did Bruce Johnston, the man who gave me a 2 hour interview in 1979 to help me out at work and another hour in 1981 and was SO SO SO kind, become such a prick. He came down to the backstage area after the show. I waited a bit and went up to him with my copy of pet sounds and asked him to sign it. The folks he was talking to were extremely nice and asked me how long I had been a fan, etc. As Bruce was signing the LP, I thanked him again for the interview all those years ago and how it helped me out at the radio station I worked at. He said "that was 23 years ago, no recent stories?" Taken aback I said thanks again for everything, told him I heard that new comp box-sets were coming out in the fall and I couldn't wait. He handed me back my LP and pen, and said "well, save your pennies for the box-set, you and I are through talking." Just then the kid of the guy to whom Bruce was talking said to me "did you know that Bruce produced LPs for the Beach Boys?" I said yes I did, LA and Keeping The Summer Alive. Told the kid I though Bruce tried the right thing with HCTN. Bruce turned to me and said "HEY, I SAID U AND I ARE THROUGH TALKING! SERIOUSLY!"

Now I can understand when u hang around someone forever and wont go away that you would get mad. It has happened to me. But I am talking about standing there for MAYBE 5 mins, probably less. I mean come on DUDE, who do you think pays their hard earned dollars to keep you and the guys in the style you have grown accustomed to? ALWAYS be nice to fans. Understandably, you will have the wackos who require a swift kick, but no someone who is just standing there saying a few kind words. It ruined the rest of my experience for me. And the fondness I always had for Bruce and the way he stands up for Brian's music. End Of Rant.

PS - Scott Totten and Probyn Gregory are 2 of the most wonderful guys you could ever ever meet. Scott didn't want to sign my PS copy because it was like signing a copy of the Bible for him. I told him no, it was my way of saying thanks for the music.

Don't feel so bad. I know someone who met Bruce a few years ago and he was both nice and then a complete jerk on the same day. If the Beach Boys are sensitive to dealing with fans, they should pull the old trick McCartney used to do. He would scratch his arm while talking to a fan which would signal his bodyguard that he wanted to get the hell out of there. The bodyguard would come over and say "I'm sorry, but Mr. McCartney needs to go RIGHT NOW!" leaving Paul to smile and say "Gee, I'd like to stay and chat longer but these guys run my schedule'. By using this technique the bodyguard gets all the blame, Paul still comes off as a nice guy and the fan isn't disappointed.

Of course, once his ex-bodyguard spilled the beans, I guess Paul had to come up with another signal.    

The Beatles are kind of a bad example though.  Ringo Starr is really the only Beatle who was ever sociable with fans.  The other three bordered on being standoffish although Lennon did get better at communicating with fans later in life as he often signed and took photographs with fans outside the Dakota building during the final years of his life.  With The Beatles it's somewhat understandable that they weren't very social with their fans just due to the fact that the demands on their time were probably unlike that of any entertainer in the history of the industry.  They were obviously the definition of a larger than life act and probably didn't have much time to interact with fans.  But then again they did have that infamous code word ("cripples") that was apparently used liberally in the sixties whenever they either wanted someone removed from their midst or they themselves wanted to get out of a certain situation.

That being said to this day, Beatles autographs are still amongst the most sought after on the market not only due to their fame but due to the fact that they didn't sign that many.  To my knowledge neither Paul McCartney nor George Harrison were ever much of autograph signers and in his later years, Hari didn't even like being approached by fans let alone sign for them.  John Lennon as I mentioned did tend to sign a bit more later in his life but for the most part didn't sign all that much more than either Paul or George.  That only leaves Ringo who until a few years ago still allowed fans to send him in items to be signed via his fan club but he has since curtailed that as well citing demands on his time.  

[Ron]

Wish John was more like Bruce.   

[JohnMill]

Wish John was more like Bruce.   

Signing for fans or interacting with them didn't get Lennon killed Ron.  I watched a documentary on 12/8/80 awhile back and Yoko actually addressed a very interesting issue for this piece involving the fact that she and John weren't initially supposed to go directly home from the studio on that evening.  They originally had planned to go out to dinner together but John wanted to go home first because he wanted to see Sean off to bed.  But Yoko then added that it wouldn't have mattered whether they went out to dinner that evening or not, because the individual who murdered John would've just been lying in wait for them whenever they happened to return.

That is really the bottom line when it comes to John's murderer.  His act was one of total pre meditation.  He was determined to murder John Lennon and it wouldn't have mattered to him if he had killed Lennon on 12/7/80, 12/8/80 or 12/9/80.  The date itself, the opportunity itself was arbitrary.  He was like a hunter in the woods, stalking an animal.  When the opportunity presented itself, he followed through with his sinister plans.  So really the only way that tragedy could've been averted in this case is if Lennon somehow survived being shot which unfortunately didn't happen.

[runnersdialzero]

I think Brian sees the Beach Boys reunion as basically his reunion with Mike. The other guys, while reasonably pleasant, are incidental. They're distractions. Brian is probably much more interested and engaged by Jeff and his band members than Bruce or Al or Dave.

Meh, bullsh*t, i think Brian loves being involved with Al. 

He didn't love Waves of the same.

Mr.Stone, am I understanding you correctly in that you're sayin' Brian thinks along the lines of "Your song is balls, so I don't care much about you"?

[Ron]

Wish John was more like Bruce.   

Signing for fans or interacting with them didn't get Lennon killed Ron.  I watched a documentary on 12/8/80 awhile back and Yoko actually addressed a very interesting issue for this piece involving the fact that she and John weren't initially supposed to go directly home from the studio on that evening.  They originally had planned to go out to dinner together but John wanted to go home first because he wanted to see Sean off to bed.  But Yoko then added that it wouldn't have mattered whether they went out to dinner that evening or not, because the individual who murdered John would've just been lying in wait for them whenever they happened to return.

That is really the bottom line when it comes to John's murderer.  His act was one of total pre meditation.  He was determined to murder John Lennon and it wouldn't have mattered to him if he had killed Lennon on 12/7/80, 12/8/80 or 12/9/80.  The date itself, the opportunity itself was arbitrary.  He was like a hunter in the woods, stalking an animal.  When the opportunity presented itself, he followed through with his sinister plans.  So really the only way that tragedy could've been averted in this case is if Lennon somehow survived being shot which unfortunately didn't happen.

Yeah, I know.  Still wish something would have happened differently though.  What a fucking waste. 

It reminds me of that great piece in the Imagination film where that guy hops the fence on John's property, and he finds out about it, has the guy come up to the door and talks to him for a while, trying to talk him down out of his obsession.  He told the guy he in fact wasn't writing songs to speak to him, all his songs were about himself and were selfish, and at best they were about Yoko.  I like how John simulateously could be an angel and an asshole. 

[SG7]

Wish John was more like Bruce.   

Signing for fans or interacting with them didn't get Lennon killed Ron.  I watched a documentary on 12/8/80 awhile back and Yoko actually addressed a very interesting issue for this piece involving the fact that she and John weren't initially supposed to go directly home from the studio on that evening.  They originally had planned to go out to dinner together but John wanted to go home first because he wanted to see Sean off to bed.  But Yoko then added that it wouldn't have mattered whether they went out to dinner that evening or not, because the individual who murdered John would've just been lying in wait for them whenever they happened to return.

That is really the bottom line when it comes to John's murderer.  His act was one of total pre meditation.  He was determined to murder John Lennon and it wouldn't have mattered to him if he had killed Lennon on 12/7/80, 12/8/80 or 12/9/80.  The date itself, the opportunity itself was arbitrary.  He was like a hunter in the woods, stalking an animal.  When the opportunity presented itself, he followed through with his sinister plans.  So really the only way that tragedy could've been averted in this case is if Lennon somehow survived being shot which unfortunately didn't happen.

Yeah, I know.  Still wish something would have happened differently though.  What a f*cking waste. 

It reminds me of that great piece in the Imagination film where that guy hops the fence on John's property, and he finds out about it, has the guy come up to the door and talks to him for a while, trying to talk him down out of his obsession.  He told the guy he in fact wasn't writing songs to speak to him, all his songs were about himself and were selfish, and at best they were about Yoko.  I like how John simulateously could be an angel and an asshole. 

That footage is so freaking eerie to watch knowing what happened to him later 

[Wirestone]

I think Brian sees the Beach Boys reunion as basically his reunion with Mike. The other guys, while reasonably pleasant, are incidental. They're distractions. Brian is probably much more interested and engaged by Jeff and his band members than Bruce or Al or Dave.

Meh, bullsh*t, i think Brian loves being involved with Al. 

He didn't love Waves of the same.

Mr.Stone, am I understanding you correctly in that you're sayin' Brian thinks along the lines of "Your song is balls, so I don't care much about you"?

I don't know. His attitude just suggests -- to me -- that he thinks Al is kind of irrelevant. A good singer in certain circumstances -- he's not hesitant to use the voice when needed -- but not a creative equal.

I could be totally wrong, of course. But the Rolling Stone article kind of suggests the same thing. Which is too bad, in a way, because I think Al is a nice guy, and cares about BW a great deal. But not all friendships involve equal enthusiasm on both sides.

[Ron]

What it comes down to is : the song sucks!  At least if Brian wrote a sucky song, he must see something good in it or he wouldn't have wrote it.  Al's song sucks.  I mean we like it because you can hear Carl.  Step back a couple feet though.  It sucks.  So hell no Brian doesn't want to put it on the album. 

Now I'll admit "Beaches in Mind" may suck more.  Maybe.  But Brian wrote that one, so of course he's going to off the bat consider his suck song better than Al's suck song. 


In conclusion: Waves of Love got dissed by Brian because it sucks. 

[startBBtoday]

Is there an actual story anyone can tell about Al getting booted from the Brian solo tour?

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Wish John was more like Bruce.   

Signing for fans or interacting with them didn't get Lennon killed Ron.  I watched a documentary on 12/8/80 awhile back and Yoko actually addressed a very interesting issue for this piece involving the fact that she and John weren't initially supposed to go directly home from the studio on that evening.  They originally had planned to go out to dinner together but John wanted to go home first because he wanted to see Sean off to bed.  But Yoko then added that it wouldn't have mattered whether they went out to dinner that evening or not, because the individual who murdered John would've just been lying in wait for them whenever they happened to return.

That is really the bottom line when it comes to John's murderer.  His act was one of total pre meditation.  He was determined to murder John Lennon and it wouldn't have mattered to him if he had killed Lennon on 12/7/80, 12/8/80 or 12/9/80.  The date itself, the opportunity itself was arbitrary.  He was like a hunter in the woods, stalking an animal.  When the opportunity presented itself, he followed through with his sinister plans.  So really the only way that tragedy could've been averted in this case is if Lennon somehow survived being shot which unfortunately didn't happen.

Yeah, I know.  Still wish something would have happened differently though.  What a f*cking waste. 

It reminds me of that great piece in the Imagination film where that guy hops the fence on John's property, and he finds out about it, has the guy come up to the door and talks to him for a while, trying to talk him down out of his obsession.  He told the guy he in fact wasn't writing songs to speak to him, all his songs were about himself and were selfish, and at best they were about Yoko.  I like how John simulateously could be an angel and an asshole. 

And I love how he invited the guy in and actually feeds him and hangs out with him. Make you wonder if Chapman had paused for a moment, things might have turned out very differently

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Is there an actual story anyone can tell about Al getting booted from the Brian solo tour?

I was under the impression that Al left of his own volition because there were things that made him uncomfortable.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Was the guy behind me (with the moustache) the one who was jumping around during Kokomo?

[Wirestone]

Is there an actual story anyone can tell about Al getting booted from the Brian solo tour?

I was under the impression that Al left of his own volition because there were things that made him uncomfortable.

I would say that is not what I heard. Rather the opposite, in fact.

[petsite]

I feel bad now reading all of these remarks about Bruce and my part for causing such ill will. Yes, he was a d**k, but as i said, I think everyone deserves an off night or two. He pulled the BB/BW asses out of the fire so many times in the past and that is what really counts!!

Bob

[JohnMill]

Wish John was more like Bruce.  

Signing for fans or interacting with them didn't get Lennon killed Ron.  I watched a documentary on 12/8/80 awhile back and Yoko actually addressed a very interesting issue for this piece involving the fact that she and John weren't initially supposed to go directly home from the studio on that evening.  They originally had planned to go out to dinner together but John wanted to go home first because he wanted to see Sean off to bed.  But Yoko then added that it wouldn't have mattered whether they went out to dinner that evening or not, because the individual who murdered John would've just been lying in wait for them whenever they happened to return.

That is really the bottom line when it comes to John's murderer.  His act was one of total pre meditation.  He was determined to murder John Lennon and it wouldn't have mattered to him if he had killed Lennon on 12/7/80, 12/8/80 or 12/9/80.  The date itself, the opportunity itself was arbitrary.  He was like a hunter in the woods, stalking an animal.  When the opportunity presented itself, he followed through with his sinister plans.  So really the only way that tragedy could've been averted in this case is if Lennon somehow survived being shot which unfortunately didn't happen.

Yeah, I know.  Still wish something would have happened differently though.  What a f*cking waste.  

It reminds me of that great piece in the Imagination film where that guy hops the fence on John's property, and he finds out about it, has the guy come up to the door and talks to him for a while, trying to talk him down out of his obsession.  He told the guy he in fact wasn't writing songs to speak to him, all his songs were about himself and were selfish, and at best they were about Yoko.  I like how John simulateously could be an angel and an asshole.  

Make you wonder if Chapman had paused for a moment, things might have turned out very differently

See that is the thing with that particular individual.  He was either insane or borderline insane.  After this individual had his album signed by Lennon he claimed was taken aback by Lennon's kindness but still ended up murdering him only hours later.  He has spoken about how he had a big man/little man complex inside of him and the "big man" complex was this benevolent, good force that would've never harmed anyone while the "little man" kept instructing him over and over again to murder John Lennon.  In fact I believe one of his statements to police shortly after the murder was that "The majority of me is good, but there is another smaller part of me that is the devil.  Most of the time the bigger part of me wins out, tonight the other half did" or something to that nature.  To me this individual's statements aren't much different that David Berkowitz's insistence that he got the instructions to murder all those women from the barking dog of his next door neighbor named Sam.  It's not rational and therefore cannot be fully understood by those who employ rational thought.

[Pretty Funky]

I feel bad now reading all of these remarks about Bruce and my part for causing such ill will. Yes, he was a d**k, but as i said, I think everyone deserves an off night or two. He pulled the BB/BW asses out of the fire so many times in the past and that is what really counts!!

Bob

Sorry, disagree here. There is no reason for anyone to be a @sshole! I don't care who it is. If you are having an off night, stay home.

This is another reason why I would never do a meet and greet. A very real chance you wish you hadn't.

Bruce, thanks for the music, the tour etc but should our paths cross, don't mistake me for someone who cares about you once you are off the clock.