Smart Girls

[Cliff1000uk]

If man is still alive 

[The Heartical Don]

Honestly, I'm glad it exists. It's such a jarring and terrible idea that it manages to transcend simple badness and rise up to a level of purely bizarre comedy. I especially love the loud and jarring samples.

Exactly. I regard this track and the whole Sweet Insanity project as a kind of Love You - 14 Years (ish) On. Eccentric, at times lacking in taste and at the same time rather touching and beautiful in places.

It might be fun to have a Jack Riely vs Landy Lyricists Smackdown thread   . I mean, both came out with some world class psycho-burble in a lot of their lyrics.

There is no way that Rieley - who did a tremendous amount of good for the BB's both at the time of his management and for their subsequent legacy - is in any way comparable to the destructiveness of Landy.

Spot on. Rieley was contributing, not destroying. He did not physically ruin Brian in a way that was almost irreversible, nor did he worm his way into Brian's last will and testament for 50% (some say 70%).

[punkinhead]

I enjoy the tune of it (not all the BB hits playing on there)

[doing]

Big brains are AWESOME, DUDE!!!!

[MBE]

Honestly, I'm glad it exists. It's such a jarring and terrible idea that it manages to transcend simple badness and rise up to a level of purely bizarre comedy. I especially love the loud and jarring samples.

Exactly. I regard this track and the whole Sweet Insanity project as a kind of Love You - 14 Years (ish) On. Eccentric, at times lacking in taste and at the same time rather touching and beautiful in places.

It might be fun to have a Jack Riely vs Landy Lyricists Smackdown thread   . I mean, both came out with some world class psycho-burble in a lot of their lyrics.

There is no way that Rieley - who did a tremendous amount of good for the BB's both at the time of his management and for their subsequent legacy - is in any way comparable to the destructiveness of Landy.

Spot on. Rieley was contributing, not destroying. He did not physically ruin Brian in a way that was almost irreversible, nor did he worm his way into Brian's last will and testament for 50% (some say 70%).

Indeed Rieley was able to get Brian interested in working on many occasions. Though he was a bit of a con artist, I do think he creatively at least was a force for good.

[runnersdialzero]

What's this "con artist" business? I genuinely don't know. If it's lying about his credentials to get into his position, so what? If you can lie about your credentials to get in but still get good results (he did) and still be honest with the people you're working with (he seemingly was), I don't see much of a problem with that. Just a few minutes ago, a friend told me he completely lied his ass off to get the job he's had for four years now. He does his job well, knows his sh*t, takes it seriously, is happy overall and is well-paid. Good for him.

Srsly though, what would the fate of stuff like "Surf's Up" or "'Til I Die" have been if not for Jack Rieley?

[MBE]

Well read the Gaines book for info about Rieley. That book is not a place to learn about their music but if you want to know what went on business wise it's essential. Also Bruce has expressed many times that Jack was unethical. None of this has to do with the positive influence he had on their image, nor with his talent for lyric writing.

[The Heartical Don]

Well read the Gaines book for info about Rieley. That book is not a place to learn about their music but if you want to know what went on business wise it's essential. Also Bruce has expressed many times that Jack was unethical. None of this has to do with the positive influence he had on their image, nor with his talent for lyric writing.

I really can't form a sound judgment on this. I hear that he lied about his c.v.; likewise, that he suggested he suffered from cancer where he did not in reality.

These may well be the symptoms of compulsive lying, or pseudologia fantastica, which is much more of a psychiatric illness than an insidious and malicious way of sneaking into any coveted position, jobwise. The victims often would have gotten where they wanted to be without the lying anyway, because they're certainly not bereft of talent and fantasy - but some kind of inferiority complex forces them to beef up their credentials to the max. And that almost always leads to painful exposition of it all, afterwards.

[runnersdialzero]

Ah. Well, lying about having cancer is never cool.

[MBE]

Ah. Well, lying about having cancer is never cool.

Plus when he made this claim in the early eighties he sponged off of Dennis and used the story to get money from others.

[Slow In Brain]

Smart Girls is no weirder than Country Feelings from the same period.
Isn't there a more demo like version, where instead of the BB samples Brian and crew are singing the BB parts.
Thinking about the BW rap efforts The TM Song with that gansta-like dialogue on the intro was a decade before similar efforts of Coolio.

[Slow In Brain]

Thinking about the BW rap efforts The TM Song with that gansta-like dialogue on the intro was a decade before similar efforts of Coolio.

Yep, I like that semidialogue-semiquarrel!

The way their voices trade off each other is almost like a melody. Plus it is bit of a throw back to the filler tracks from the 1960s

[The Heartical Don]

Smart Girls is no weirder than Country Feelings from the same period.
Isn't there a more demo like version, where instead of the BB samples Brian and crew are singing the BB parts.
Thinking about the BW rap efforts The TM Song with that gansta-like dialogue on the intro was a decade before similar efforts of Coolio.

Hm. But I don't exactly think that Coolio, Snoop, 50 Cent, LL and their ilk decided to create rap with the TM Song in the back of their collective minds. I mean, one can stretch an analogy (or causal relationship over time) only so far... 

[MBE]

Games Two Can Play has a few lines that sound like rap.

[keysarsoze001]

In the world of Brian rapping, let's not forget about those silly lines in the middle of "Child of Winter", where apparently the Pied Piper makes a return for a minute to tell us about Mama making cookies and bread.

[Slow In Brain]

Smart Girls is no weirder than Country Feelings from the same period.
Isn't there a more demo like version, where instead of the BB samples Brian and crew are singing the BB parts.
Thinking about the BW rap efforts The TM Song with that gansta-like dialogue on the intro was a decade before similar efforts of Coolio.

Hm. But I don't exactly think that Coolio, Snoop, 50 Cent, LL and their ilk decided to create rap with the TM Song in the back of their collective minds. I mean, one can stretch an analogy (or causal relationship over time) only so far... 

True, can't imagine those guys spending their pocket money on 15 Big Ones back in the day  

[Disney Boy (1985)]

Well read the Gaines book for info about Rieley. That book is not a place to learn about their music but if you want to know what went on business wise it's essential. Also Bruce has expressed many times that Jack was unethical. None of this has to do with the positive influence he had on their image, nor with his talent for lyric writing.

Bruce also called Obama an asshole. Bruce is a twit, and I rate Rieley's contributions to the BB cannon higher than i do Bruce's. Can you imagine Holland with one of his schmaltzy puke-fests ruining the tone and flow?

[Slow In Brain]

In the world of Brian rapping, let's not forget about those silly lines in the middle of "Child of Winter", where apparently the Pied Piper makes a return for a minute to tell us about Mama making cookies and bread.

Then there is Dennys' rap in Cabinessence

[keysarsoze001]

In the world of Brian rapping, let's not forget about those silly lines in the middle of "Child of Winter", where apparently the Pied Piper makes a return for a minute to tell us about Mama making cookies and bread.

Then there is Dennys' rap in Cabinessence

Incidentally, anyone able to make out what he's saying in that?

[RadBooley]

In the world of Brian rapping, let's not forget about those silly lines in the middle of "Child of Winter", where apparently the Pied Piper makes a return for a minute to tell us about Mama making cookies and bread.

Then there is Dennys' rap in Cabinessence

Incidentally, anyone able to make out what he's saying in that?

Was never able to make it out for myself until someone linked me to this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dje0M5b_9M

[keysarsoze001]

In the world of Brian rapping, let's not forget about those silly lines in the middle of "Child of Winter", where apparently the Pied Piper makes a return for a minute to tell us about Mama making cookies and bread.

Then there is Dennys' rap in Cabinessence

Incidentally, anyone able to make out what he's saying in that?

Was never able to make it out for myself until someone linked me to this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dje0M5b_9M

And my dream comes true. Thankee.

[The Heartical Don]

Smart Girls is no weirder than Country Feelings from the same period.
Isn't there a more demo like version, where instead of the BB samples Brian and crew are singing the BB parts.
Thinking about the BW rap efforts The TM Song with that gansta-like dialogue on the intro was a decade before similar efforts of Coolio.

Hm. But I don't exactly think that Coolio, Snoop, 50 Cent, LL and their ilk decided to create rap with the TM Song in the back of their collective minds. I mean, one can stretch an analogy (or causal relationship over time) only so far... 

True, can't imagine those guys spending their pocket money on 15 Big Ones back in the day  

  that is exactly what I was driving at... bull's eye!

[Slow In Brain]

The TM Song dialogue is funny sh*t even if it isn't quite gangsta is there a longer version floating around ?

[SBonilla]

I haven't listened to it in its entirety, but from what I've heard: maybe some good ideas, but the production may be even more ridiculous than the 88 album. I can't believe it's so bad.

Also, hating on "Ding Ding"?

Nah, I love "Ding Dang". But I'm not sure it's a song.

You reminded me of when David Leaf came down to my office after a meeting with Don Zimmermann, then president of Capitol Records. He showed me a cassette of unreleased Beach Boys songs that he had given to him to evaluate for possible release. Next to We're Together Again, Don wrote, "This is not a song."

[keysarsoze001]

You reminded me of when David Leaf came down to my office after a meeting with Don Zimmermann, then president of Capitol Records. He showed me a cassette of unreleased Beach Boys songs that he had given to him to evaluate for possible release. Next to We're Together Again, Don wrote, "This is not a song."
[/quote]

Really? Ha, that's great. I mean, in a way it's unfair, because you look at stuff contemporaries of the Beach Boys have put out on albums and the same description is true. Seriously, Beatles? "Wild Honey Pie"?