Hey Little Hey Little Hey Little Lack Of Judgement

[Disney Boy (1985)]

Just heard the Adult Child version of Hey Little Tomboy: ''Ok, now shave your legs for the first time''. Oh. My. God.

How on earth is it that not a single member thought to say 'Er... hang on, isn't this massively inappropriate, even for 1978??'

This - even more than the disco remakes, the Baywatch apperances and Al's ponytail - is the king of all WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?? moments...

[b00ts]

Just heard the Adult Child version of Hey Little Tomboy: ''Ok, now shave your legs for the first time''. Oh. My. God.

How on earth is it that not a single member thought to say 'Er... hang on, isn't this massively inappropriate, even for 1978??'

This - even more than the disco remakes, the Baywatch apperances and Al's ponytail - is the king of all WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?? moments...

"Hey Little Tomboy," even without those lines, is a baffler. The fact that it was number two on MIU - surrounded by glossy, MOR songs nonetheless - is very strange. I don't know what the balls they were thinking.

[The Heartical Don]

For me, that is one of the many charms of this strange, beautiful, odd, genius, and sometimes misguided troupe of musicians. It is their utter humanity, their ability to produce howlers as embarrassing as their best work is superb. There is no master plan, no façade, no window-dressing.

Any other artist or group (think of all those punk people in the '70s) would do something like this only on purpose, to épater la bourgeousie, and/or to rake in money via a succes de scandale (pardon my French here).

Not so our boys. And it is one of the reasons I truly love them.

[The Shift]

I'm with the Don. And anyway, what's wrong with a girl shaving her legs for the very first time? How's a girl gonna develop stubble if she don't shave her pins?

[Lowbacca]

For me, that is one of the many charms of this strange, beautiful, odd, genius, and sometimes misguided troupe of musicians. It is their utter humanity, their ability to produce howlers as embarrassing as their best work is superb. There is no master plan, no façade, no window-dressing.

Any other artist or group (think of all those punk people in the '70s) would do something like this only on purpose, to épater la bourgeousie, and/or to rake in money via a succes de scandale (pardon my French here).

Not so our boys. And it is one of the reasons I truly love them.

Amen. I couldn't have said it better.

[brother john]

There are quite a number of Brian's BB lyrics that have references to young girls that we would find inappropriate today. But as the Heartical D says, that's part of the charm! 

[brother john]

Great topic title though btw! 

[Iron Horse-Apples]

There are quite a number of Brian's BB lyrics that have references to young girls that we would find inappropriate today. But as the Heartical D says, that's part of the charm! 

Yes, who has heard the unreleased classic "Grass On The Pitch"?

[The Heartical Don]

There are quite a number of Brian's BB lyrics that have references to young girls that we would find inappropriate today. But as the Heartical D says, that's part of the charm! 

Yes, who has heard the unreleased classic "Grass On The Pitch"?

You mean the Gillette Venus ad music that got refused for "reasons of morality"?

[harrisonjon]

It's what Freud had in mind when he invented the Id.

[The Heartical Don]

It's what Freud had in mind when he invented the Id.

"invented"? 

[harrisonjon]

the concept of...

[Disney Boy (1985)]

I suppose with Brian you can just put it down to naive innocence - however, when Dennis sings on Schoolgirl about picking up a youngster from school you know damn well what his intentions are, the filthy old stoat!

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I suppose with Brian you can just put it down to naive innocence - however, when Dennis sings on Schoolgirl about picking up a youngster from school you know damn well what his intentions are, the filthy old stoat!

Brian did the schoolgirl pick-up topic with "Lazy Lizzie," though I don't think that song went beyond his own demo. 

[pixletwin]

I personally think it was an attempt at sabotage by Brian. 

[Lonely Summer]

All Dressed Up for School

[I. Spaceman]

Lazy Lizzie makes Tomboy sound like the epitome of political correctness.

[Quzi]

All Dressed Up for School

I never really understood what's so vehemently creepy about this one. Sure, if it had been on 15 Big Ones, eyebrows would definitely be raised, but you have to remember Carl was only 17 when he sung this and that it was commonplace for guys in their late-teens/early twenties to date girls in high school.

[Dave in KC]

I sure would like to know the percentage of posters who never had and raised a daughter, who dislike the song, or otherwise just don't get it.

[AndrewHickey]

I sure would like to know the percentage of posters who never had and raised a daughter, who dislike the song, or otherwise just don't get it.

Please, please tell me that you haven't ever said to any daughter you've had "I'm going to teach you to kiss"... if that song is about a father/daughter relationship, it becomes roughly 10,000 times creepier than it already was (though still not as creepy as Lazy Lizzie).

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I sure would like to know the percentage of posters who never had and raised a daughter, who dislike the song, or otherwise just don't get it.

I think you're defending it?  I'd say in the context of being about a daughter, it might be cute, but there's an overall pattern that makes it uncomfortable, and if it's not about a non-related underage girl, it's about taking an unhealthy prurient interest in his daughter's maturation (not to mention the kiss line, ick). I know I've read people defend "I Want To Pick You Up," saying it's a sweet song about a father wanting his child to stay small her whole life.  But if you've ever read the "Rolling Stone" interview from around that time, the song is about a guy who wants a really tiny grown-up girlfriend (and wants to be able to bottlefeed her and spank her).  Those songs added to "Lazy Lizzie" are a little unsettling.

[bgas]

I sure would like to know the percentage of posters who never had and raised a daughter, who dislike the song, or otherwise just don't get it.

Please, please tell me that you haven't ever said to any daughter you've had "I'm going to teach you to kiss"... if that song is about a father/daughter relationship, it becomes roughly 10,000 times creepier than it already was (though still not as creepy as Lazy Lizzie).

or really, it's probably just brian writing songs as if he's still 19, which is very likely how he saw himself as he's writing them.
\Really I get so sick of people calling him to task for writing songs from a youthful perspective. That's where his head is/was at.
Of course if Brian told you personally that he was trying to write from the POV of a pervert, then I bow to your knowledge; but since he never did, you should all let it go.

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I sure would like to know the percentage of posters who never had and raised a daughter, who dislike the song, or otherwise just don't get it.

Please, please tell me that you haven't ever said to any daughter you've had "I'm going to teach you to kiss"... if that song is about a father/daughter relationship, it becomes roughly 10,000 times creepier than it already was (though still not as creepy as Lazy Lizzie).

or really, it's probably just brian writing songs as if he's still 19, which is very likely how he saw himself as he's writing them.
\Really I get so sick of people calling him to task for writing songs from a youthful perspective. That's where his head is/was at.
Of course if Brian told you personally that he was trying to write from the POV of a pervert, then I bow to your knowledge; but since he never did, you should all let it go.

This is an old topic, it's been brought up before, it's no big deal. i"m not sure why some people get so offended over things that are fair game to discuss.  It was in bad taste to write song lyrics about pubescent girls, which "Hey Little, Tomboy" and "Lazy Lizzie" are about, even from the perspective of a 19 year old.  Only one was officially released, but that means the other Beach Boys were guilty of allowing the song to be put on record. 

[I. Spaceman]

I sure would like to know the percentage of posters who never had and raised a daughter, who dislike the song, or otherwise just don't get it.

Please, please tell me that you haven't ever said to any daughter you've had "I'm going to teach you to kiss"... if that song is about a father/daughter relationship, it becomes roughly 10,000 times creepier than it already was (though still not as creepy as Lazy Lizzie).

or really, it's probably just brian writing songs as if he's still 19, which is very likely how he saw himself as he's writing them.
\Really I get so sick of people calling him to task for writing songs from a youthful perspective. That's where his head is/was at.
Of course if Brian told you personally that he was trying to write from the POV of a pervert, then I bow to your knowledge; but since he never did, you should all let it go.

Older men who actually go after girls that age do so because they are stuck at an emotional teenage level as well. I'm not comparing Brian writing songs like that with a criminal act such as actually doing it, but still, it is objectionable and if anyone did that now, they would be pilloried and rightfully so. Brian wasn't and isn't perfect.

[Summertime Blooz]

I sure would like to know the percentage of posters who never had and raised a daughter, who dislike the song, or otherwise just don't get it.

Please, please tell me that you haven't ever said to any daughter you've had "I'm going to teach you to kiss"... if that song is about a father/daughter relationship, it becomes roughly 10,000 times creepier than it already was (though still not as creepy as Lazy Lizzie).

or really, it's probably just brian writing songs as if he's still 19, which is very likely how he saw himself as he's writing them.
\Really I get so sick of people calling him to task for writing songs from a youthful perspective. That's where his head is/was at.
Of course if Brian told you personally that he was trying to write from the POV of a pervert, then I bow to your knowledge; but since he never did, you should all let it go.

Older men who actually go after girls that age do so because they are stuck at an emotional teenage level as well. I'm not comparing Brian writing songs like that with a criminal act such as actually doing it, but still, it is objectionable and if anyone did that now, they would be pilloried and rightfully so. Brian wasn't and isn't perfect.

There's a Hall & Oates song called "I'm Just A Kid (Don't Make Me Feel Like A Man)" about this very pathology. The older guy tries to pick up an inappropriately younger girl  (she doesn't drive yet) and then when he's rejected, he plays it off like he was just fooling around.