Spring 2012 edition of Endless Summer Quarterly

[Andrew G. Doe]

The X 301 disc is far and away the rarest of the three.

nah, I'll have to disagree with you there; but, pray tell, on what do you base your assertion?

Research, deduction and a semi-informed hunch. But mostly research. Maybe 5000 of X 301 were pressed: about 13,000 of Candix 331 were sold.

[Custom Machine]

I thought we put this to rest years ago:

Surfin/Luau
X RECORDS 301
CD-TS-1-R, CD-TS-2-R
Drink-Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 331
CD-TS-1, CD-TS-2
Drink-Guild Music (BMI)

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 301
Dist. By ERA RECORD SALES INC.
CD-TS-1-R, CD-TS-2-R
Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 301
CD-TS-1R, CD-TS-2R
Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan

OK, this is getting really picky, but my Audition Copy of Candix 331, distributed by Era Record sales, has an extra dash in the matrix numbers, CD-T-S-1-R and CD-T-S-2-R.

[Andrew G. Doe]

OK, this is getting really picky, but my Audition Copy of Candix 331, distributed by Era Record sales, has an extra dash in the matrix numbers, CD-T-S-1-R and CD-T-S-2-R.

Are you totally sure about that ?  To everyone's best knowledge, only Candix 301 was distributed by Era, not 331, and certainly not a November 1961 audition copy. They took over distribution after the X pressing, when Herb Newman got involved. If you really do have an Era-distributed copy of 331, you've got one of two things:

something incredibly rare...

or a counterfeit.

That the matrix inscription differs from any I've ever seen is suspicious.

[bgas]

OK, this is getting really picky, but my Audition Copy of Candix 331, distributed by Era Record sales, has an extra dash in the matrix numbers, CD-T-S-1-R and CD-T-S-2-R.

Are you totally sure about that ?  To everyone's best knowledge, only Candix 301 was distributed by Era, not 331, and certainly not a November 1961 audition copy. They took over distribution after the X pressing, when Herb Newman got involved. If you really do have an Era-distributed copy of 331, you've got one of two things:

something incredibly rare...

or a counterfeit.

That the matrix inscription differs from any I've ever seen is suspicious.

I'll bet that he's simply confused the 301 for 331;
BUT: when I looked at my 301/Era/Audition the matrix numbers in the runout are, indeed, the way he described them( CD-T-S-1-R and CD-T-S-2-R) farther around the circle is a small triangle and the number 41389. 

The X 301 disc is far and away the rarest of the three.

nah, I'll have to disagree with you there; but, pray tell, on what do you base your assertion?

Research, deduction and a semi-informed hunch. But mostly research. Maybe 5000 of X 301 were pressed: about 13,000 of Candix 331 were sold.

I know you're a stickler for research, so: The 5000 number has bandied about time and again; where does the 13,000 sales figure derive, and is it possible that some of those copies are 301s and not the 331? In the LA market of the time, it doesn't seem possible that a single that sells 13,000 copies in one month doesn't attract interest and show up on radio surveys; But there is absolutely no record, as far as I know, of any thing recorded in print prior to the release of the  301( which is well documented on surveys)
Thinking along that line, I have to wonder how there could be SO many more good examples of the X in existence, than the 331, unless the grand majority of them were played, worn out and destroyed( which is possible but not probable). Dirty, beatup/broken down/worn out copies of countless records show up time and again, but not for the 331, at least in the frequency that would be expected for a record that sold 13K copies.
Seriously: I'm constantly looking at Ebay/dealer list/ sale sheets, as this is what I do( I collect); and the X shows up with a ( probably) 10-1 ratio to the 331, if not more. To me, it seems that the sales figures that you have for the 331 are either outright wrong, or have been fudged somewhere along the way. Are there production statements/invoices/similar available that wo0uld seem to provide proof for this number?

[rogerlancelot]

"alot" became an English word the moment people started using it as one. that's how language works.

To me, it reflects a lack of intelligence.

And the over-used words I see most often these days by people with a limited vocabulary:

Awesome

Amazing

Ridiculous

And the phrase:

Oh my God!!  

And text speak:

LOL!!

That's ridiculous, Mikie! Those words are totally awesome! Oh my God, they're amazing! LOL!!

 

[bgas]

And, now that I go to my singles and look again, I find that ONLY the 331 has different matrix numbers, with CD-TS-1 ( and 2)
every other record I have( X, 301, 301 Era, 301 Era Audition) has CD-T-S-1-R ( or 2-R)
Andrew, do you actually own copies of these, or are you going by what you've been informed by others( including myself, presumably)?
I think Mikie needs to take another look at his records, but they may be inaccessible?
There definitely are other collectors with these records, so for your research, they need to check again, it would seem; (I'll forward this to the few I talk with)

I'm not certain if I can get the numbers to show in a scan, but I can try, if you want them/need to see them.

[Steve Mayo]

shades of last summer... 
  http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10671.0.html

[Mikie]

My records are not accessible. I'm not at home because I work for a living. (Spelling corrected because Bgas is lying in wait now and banking on my every word).

BUT. Here's what I have. The matrix number information was taken near the run-out grooves of the vinyl:

Surfin/Luau
X RECORDS 301
CD-TS-1-R, CD TS-2-R
Drink-Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 331
CD-TS-1, CD TS-2
Drink-Guild Music (BMI)

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 301
CD-TS-1-R, CD TS-2-R
Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan
(2 copies)

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 301
Dist. By ERA RECORD SALES INC.
CD-TS-1-R, CD TS-2-R
Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan
(2 copies)


The Candix matrix designations are defined by the following:

MATRIX:

1. CD-TS-1 (“Surfin’”) b/w CD-TS-2 (“Luau”);
2. CD-TS-1-R (“Surfin’”) b/w CD-TS-2-R (“Luau”);
3. CD-TS-1R (“Surfin’”) b/w CD-TS-2R (“Luau”).

CD = Candix Records
TS = The Surfers (the name Candix originally intended to give to the Pendletones)
1/2 = side of the record
R = reissue

LABELS:

1. “Candix 331” (matched with matrix #1)
2. “X 301” (matched with matrix #2)
3. “Candix 301” (matched with matrix #2)
4. “Candix 301” (matched with matrix #3)
5. “Candix 301 - Dist. by Era Record Sales” (matched with matrix #3) per Brad Elliott. Mine has a "- R" as noted above.

[bgas]

My records are not accessable. I'm not at home because I work for a living.

BUT. Here's what I have. The matrix number information was taken near the run-out grooves of the vinyl:

Surfin/Luau
X RECORDS 301
CD-TS-1-R, CD TS-2-R
Drink-Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 331
CD-TS-1, CD TS-2
Drink-Guild Music (BMI)

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 301
CD-TS-1-R, CD TS-2-R
Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan
(2 copies)

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 301
Dist. By ERA RECORD SALES INC.
CD-TS-1-R, CD TS-2-R
Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan
(2 copies)


The Candix matrix designations are defined by the following:

MATRIX:

1. CD-TS-1 (“Surfin’”) b/w CD-TS-2 (“Luau”);
2. CD-TS-1-R (“Surfin’”) b/w CD-TS-2-R (“Luau”);
3. CD-TS-1R (“Surfin’”) b/w CD-TS-2R (“Luau”).

CD = Candix Records
TS = The Surfers (the name Candix originally intended to give to the Pendletones)
1/2 = side of the record
R = reissue

LABELS:

1. “Candix 331” (matched with matrix #1)
2. “X 301” (matched with matrix #2)
3. “Candix 301” (matched with matrix #2)
4. “Candix 301” (matched with matrix #3)
5. “Candix 301 - Dist. by Era Record Sales” - matched with matrix #3 (per Brad Elliott). Mine has a "- R" as noted above.

Mikie-- 
People with intelligence, tend to spell accessible with an "i" , not the "a" which you used; but maybe that's lost on you?.  Jest sayin... 

Nevertheless, I'm betting you have the Matrix dashes wrong; you probably just copied them from something Brad did, which he had wrong/ probably copied from someone else.

shades of last summer... 
  http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10671.0.html

Yeah, I knew it was there, but I didn't want to search for it...  but I see I listed my matrixes just as I have slightly above.

[Mikie]

People with intelligence don't write "alot", Bgas. Typos or incorrect spelling is one thing; using "alot" in a sentence is another.

Another error I see here a lot:

There
Their
They're

[SBonilla]

Jest or just?

[Mikie]

Nevertheless, I'm betting you have the Matrix dashes wrong; you probably just copied them from something Brad did, which he had wrong/ probably copied from someone else.

Next you're going to suggest I don't even have the records, Bgas. Like you're asking Andrew if he even has them to look at. Trust me, Bgas, I checked them back in 2002 and I checked them again last year. What I wrote is what I have. Go with it, eh?

In fact, I may have even bought one of the Candix's at Steve Bonilla's store back in the 70's.  Or at 804 K Street in Sacramento.......been so long I hardly knew the place, gee it's good to be back home.

[SBonilla]

Nevertheless, I'm betting you have the Matrix dashes wrong; you probably just copied them from something Brad did, which he had wrong/ probably copied from someone else.

Next you're going to suggest I don't even have the records, Bgas. Like you're asking Andrew if he even has them to look at. Trust me, Bgas, I checked them back in 2002 and I checked them again last year. What I wrote is what I have. Go with it, eh?

In fact, I may have even bought one of the Candix's at Steve Bonilla's store back in the 70's.  Or at 804 K Street in Sacramento.......been so long I hardly knew the place, gee it's good to be back home.

Crap! I hope it wasn't me. Maybe it was Lee Cotton over at Records on the K St mall.

[Mikie]

Crap! I hope it wasn't me. Maybe it was Lee Cotton over at Records on the K St mall.

I think I did get one from Lee. One came from Derek Bill in Oxnard, one came from Music Man Murray in L.A., another from Wayne at Rockaway in L.A. I also got one from Blue Meanie Records in San Diego. The others I think came from the Capitol Records Swap Meet in L.A. or from Peter Reum - I can't remember for sure.

[southbay]

People with intelligence don't write "alot", Bgas. Typos or incorrect spelling is one thing; using "alot" in a sentence is another.

Another error I see here a lot:

There
Their
They're

Yes!  Also, and this is my pet peeve...then vs. than. As in "The Holland album is better THEN Surf's Up".  No.  It is better THAN Surf's Up.  Than is a comparatative term (this is better than that).  Then is a measurement of time (now versus then).   Also "of" vs "have".   As in  This reunion would  OF been more complete if Dennis and Carl were here. NO.  This reunion would HAVE been more complete if Dennis and Carl were here. YES.

Just sayin'...

[Mikie]

LOL. I hope for you that your girlfriend doesn't read this!

Ssssssshhhhhh, not too loud!  If she finds out I said that, she might light a fire in the house to test me! 

[Andrew G. Doe]

I know you're a stickler for research, so: The 5000 number has bandied about time and again; where does the 13,000 sales figure derive, and is it possible that some of those copies are 301s and not the 331? In the LA market of the time, it doesn't seem possible that a single that sells 13,000 copies in one month doesn't attract interest and show up on radio surveys; But there is absolutely no record, as far as I know, of any thing recorded in print prior to the release of the  301( which is well documented on surveys)
Thinking along that line, I have to wonder how there could be SO many more good examples of the X in existence, than the 331, unless the grand majority of them were played, worn out and destroyed( which is possible but not probable). Dirty, beatup/broken down/worn out copies of countless records show up time and again, but not for the 331, at least in the frequency that would be expected for a record that sold 13K copies.
Seriously: I'm constantly looking at Ebay/dealer list/ sale sheets, as this is what I do( I collect); and the X shows up with a ( probably) 10-1 ratio to the 331, if not more. To me, it seems that the sales figures that you have for the 331 are either outright wrong, or have been fudged somewhere along the way. Are there production statements/invoices/similar available that wo0uld seem to provide proof for this number?

The sales figures of 13,000 (331) and 33,000 (301) derive from documentation kept by the Dix brothers.

[Mikie]

OK, this is getting really picky, but my Audition Copy of Candix 331, distributed by Era Record sales, has an extra dash in the matrix numbers, CD-T-S-1-R and CD-T-S-2-R.

Check that Custom Machine!!  I've seen "Audition" copies up for auction, but.......you might want to check the label and run-out grooves again of that 45. Unless you're just pulling our legs!

I don't remember knock-off's ever being made of the Candix or 'X' singles. There are bootleg copies of "Surfer Moon - Bob & Sheri", "Barbie - Kenny & The Cadets", and "Pamela Jean - Survivors", but I've never seen or heard of boots of "Surfin - Candix or X". But that's not saying none were ever made....

[Mikie]

Yes!  Also, and this is my pet peeve...then vs. than. As in "The Holland album is better THEN Surf's Up".  No.  It is better THAN Surf's Up.  Than is a comparatative term (this is better than that).  Then is a measurement of time (now versus then).   Also "of" vs "have".   As in  This reunion would  OF been more complete if Dennis and Carl were here. NO.  This reunion would HAVE been more complete if Dennis and Carl were here. YES.

Just sayin'...

Yeah, and another one I see screwed up a lot is the application of "your" instead of "you're".  As in, "Well, your not going to tell me, are you?"

[southbay]

Yes!  Also, and this is my pet peeve...then vs. than. As in "The Holland album is better THEN Surf's Up".  No.  It is better THAN Surf's Up.  Than is a comparatative term (this is better than that).  Then is a measurement of time (now versus then).   Also "of" vs "have".   As in  This reunion would  OF been more complete if Dennis and Carl were here. NO.  This reunion would HAVE been more complete if Dennis and Carl were here. YES.

Just sayin'...

Yeah, and another one I see screwed up a lot is the application of "your" instead of you're. "Well, your not going to tell me, are you?"

you're right on...

[bgas]

Nevertheless, I'm betting you have the Matrix dashes wrong; you probably just copied them from something Brad did, which he had wrong/ probably copied from someone else.

Next you're going to suggest I don't even have the records, Bgas. Like you're asking Andrew if he even has them to look at. Trust me, Bgas, I checked them back in 2002 and I checked them again last year. What I wrote is what I have. Go with it, eh?

In fact, I may have even bought one of the Candix's at Steve Bonilla's store back in the 70's.  Or at 804 K Street in Sacramento.......been so long I hardly knew the place, gee it's good to be back home.

Nope. I know you have the records.
But  the matrix numbers: the ones I'm referring to are the ones in the runout grooves, which would transfer from the stampers.
The numbers you  reference are printed on the labels, as they are on my labels. So, I suppose we're both "right".
Whomever did the scratching for the stampers didn't do the labels, as they're decidely different. Alot.

[Mikie]

The information I posted above is definitely taken from the run-out grooves, not the labels. I distinctly remember back in '02, Brad e-mailed me and asked me to verify the matrix numbers in the run-out grooves. I did it again last year to double check for the other Candix thread on this board.

[bgas]

The information I posted above is definitely taken from the run-out grooves, not the labels. I distinctly remember back in '02, Brad e-mailed me and asked me to verify the matrix numbers in the run-out grooves. I did it again last year to double check for the other Candix thread on this board.

well, then, there's a problem, or your records are anomalies, because everyone else I've checked with has numbers in the runout that match mine: CD-T-S-!-R. Sometimes the dashes look like dots, but there are definitely spaces there. None of them have have CD-TS-1-R. And I'm sure when you finally are able to access your records again, you'll see that I'm right.

[Mikie]

well, then, there's a problem, or your records are anomalies, because everyone else I've checked with has numbers in the runout that match mine: CD-T-S-!-R. Sometimes the dashes look like dots, but there are definitely spaces there. None of them have have CD-TS-1-R. And I'm sure when you finally are able to access your records again, you'll see that I'm right.

Please give me the names of "everyone else" that you talked to about this, Bgas.  I'm interested to know who they are.

Thanks in advance.

[bgas]

well, then, there's a problem, or your records are anomalies, because everyone else I've checked with has numbers in the runout that match mine: CD-T-S-!-R. Sometimes the dashes look like dots, but there are definitely spaces there. None of them have have CD-TS-1-R. And I'm sure when you finally are able to access your records again, you'll see that I'm right.

Please give me the names of "everyone else" that you talked to about this, Bgas.  I'm interested to know who they are.

Thanks in advance.

Sure, as soon as you dig out your records and check them.