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« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2012, 09:55:45 PM » |
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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2012, 01:20:13 AM » |
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The Osmonds 'The Plan' ... yep, seriously  |
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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2012, 01:48:23 AM » |
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Right, how the hell is that a concept album? Is there a narrative? An overarching theme developed over the course of the record? Anything that marks it as different from any other 1967 album full of girl/boy songs. |
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All roads lead to Kokomo. Exhaustive research in time travel has conclusively proven that there is no alternate universe WITHOUT Kokomo. It would've happened regardless.
What is this "life" thing you speak of ?
Syncopate it? In front of all these people?!
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Check your privilege. Love & Mercy guys!
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« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2012, 03:40:06 AM » |
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I'd rather be forced to sleep with Caitlyn Jenner then ever have to listen to NPP again.
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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2012, 04:52:59 AM » |
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« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2012, 08:45:35 AM » |
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"Music to cool out by...." Sounds like a concept to me! |
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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2012, 09:30:02 AM » |
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"Music to cool out by...." Sounds like a concept to me! Me too! love your name too!  anyway my favorite is probably the who sell out. that was the album that started me being interested in "albums" and not "songs" |
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« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2012, 09:32:23 AM » |
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This thread irritates me, because bar a few exceptions you are all fantastically wrong. As rocknroll points out.... I can't think of something as a concept album unless it announces itself in some way as having some kind of narrative.
I mean, it should be really obvious to you lot why The Point! by Nilsson (to pick a bonafide non prog example) is a concept album and Nilsson Schmilsson isn't. There is a difference between an album with thematic consistency (Little Deuce Coupe, say) and a 'concept' album. |
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All roads lead to Kokomo. Exhaustive research in time travel has conclusively proven that there is no alternate universe WITHOUT Kokomo. It would've happened regardless.
What is this "life" thing you speak of ?
Syncopate it? In front of all these people?!
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« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2012, 09:36:12 AM » |
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The Shaming of the True by Kevin Gilbert. Lesser known perhaps, but definitely fits the bill. http://kevingilbert.com/disco.htm#tsottspecial |
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« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2012, 09:56:10 AM » |
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Tanks Little Bird!
Strictly defining what is or isn't a "concept" album is not high on my list of life's priorities. That said, I don't believe there is a strict definition, so folks should be able to interpret it their own way. Including not being super serious about it.
Pet Sounds is called by many one of the first concept albums. Whether it is or isn't is not important to me. But on the one hand there is a loose thread if not narrative. The arc of young love. Sloop John B stands as a topical intrusion -- although musically the sound is coherent within the mix. And therefore could be construed as part of Brian's other "concept" for the album, that of his "pet" sounds. So is Pet Sounds a concept album? Damned if I know! But why not!?
Is a concept album a rock opera per se? A united theme? A narrative? Theatrical piece? I really dunno. And I'm not going to tell anyone else what to think.
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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2012, 10:26:40 AM » |
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folks should be able to interpret it their own way. Including not being super serious about it.
And I'm not going to tell anyone else what to think.
Words of Wisdom for a Message Board.... I like the Lexicon of Love by ABC and An American Prayer by The Doors |
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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2012, 10:46:20 AM » |
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Pet Sounds is called by many one of the first concept albums. Whether it is or isn't is not important to me. But on the one hand there is a loose thread if not narrative. The arc of young love. Sloop John B stands as a topical intrusion As does Let's Go Away for Awhile, I Know There's An Answer, I Just Wasn't Made for These Times, Pet Sounds and That's Not Me includes one line about a relationship but the song is more about a guy who confronts his own mistakes in trying to break free from his past (a small part of that includes a relationship). So nearly half the album does not connect with this theme. An album with seven songs about different kinds of love/romance (young naive love in Wouldn't it be Nice, troubled love in You Still Believe in Me, possible pre-relationship in I'm Waiting for the Day, a song told from the perspective of a person who believes that love is always doomed in Here Today) is not all that unusual. Wikipedia quotes Roy Shuker when it notes that, In music, a concept album is an album that is "unified by a theme, which can be instrumental, compositional, narrative, or lyrical." I have some problems with this definition though. As soon as you say simply that a concept album is unified by a theme, then about 80% of albums could be interpreted as concept albums. And herein lies the problem - you shouldn't really have to interpret that something is a concept album just as you shouldn't have to interpret whether a movie is science-fiction. Is Star Wars science fiction? Yes. Is Doc Hollywood? "Well, there is a moment where they look up at the stars..." No. Drop it. Of course, people can interpret the term however they want, but to me, if it's going to have some kind of legitmacy and if we're going to use it, then we should be somewhat clear as to what it is. We should need someone to say, "Let me explain to you why this is a concept album." And again, a lot of the examples here just fall flat precisely because people have to make a case for it. The Wild Honey case is particularly problematic. A poster noted that "music to cool out to" sounds like a concept. Most significantly, that's not even what Carl meant. He was not referring to the listeners. The statement was only about how the music on the album required much less work from Brian than Smile and Pet Sounds. He didn't have to pore over every note or build really complex harmonies or try to figure out how he was going to make a flute sound like a train. Thus the album was a breather for him. Carl's comment had nothing to do with the sound of the music or the listener reaction to it. But this tends to be what happens when one has to make a case for something being a concept album. It has the same sort of consequences of someone trying to make the case that Steve Martin's The Jerk is, actually, a horror film. |
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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2012, 10:51:45 AM » |
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« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2012, 12:25:11 PM » |
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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2012, 08:40:30 PM » |
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I guess the Wild Honey "concept" is "white people trying to do R&B music and somewhat suceeding". But I guess that could also describe any Hall and Oates record.
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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2012, 09:14:17 PM » |
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Animals. Hands Down. Most Underrated as well.
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« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2012, 07:09:43 AM » |
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The Moody Blues — Days of Future Passed
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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2012, 07:36:48 AM » |
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Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys
It paints the most beautiful and vivid picture of love and life.
Viva la Vida - Coldplay
It paints the most vivid picture of love, life, and death.
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« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2012, 03:03:55 PM » |
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The Moody Blues — Days of Future Passed
One of my favorites as well. |
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« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2012, 03:22:48 PM » |
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The Moody Blues — Days of Future Passed
One of my favorites as well. I love the motif interludes. |
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« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2012, 03:30:24 PM » |
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The Moody Blues — Days of Future Passed
One of my favorites as well. I love the motif interludes. The spoken word parts are awesome with the deep ideas presented in poetry by the members. |
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« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2012, 06:55:04 PM » |
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Utopia - Deface The Music
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« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2012, 10:34:08 AM » |
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I'm so with hypehat and rockandroll here, you people who suggest Surfer Girl or Little Deuce Coupe to be concept albums, I think are stretching the idea of what a concept album is too far.
There are so many albums that for instance just contain love songs - it doesn't necessarily make them concept album because of that.
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« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2012, 11:14:38 AM » |
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I'm so with hypehat and rockandroll here, you people who suggest Surfer Girl or Little Deuce Coupe to be concept albums, I think are stretching the idea of what a concept album is too far.
There are so many albums that for instance just contain love songs - it doesn't necessarily make them concept album because of that.
thank you  i agree with everything you said. "Little Deuce Coupe" IS NOT A CONCEPT ALBUM. LOL |
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