"I Was Made to Love Her" on Wild Honey and Carol Kaye's claims
Andrew G. Doe:
Quote from: DonnyL on December 03, 2011, 10:38:54 PM
I'm not really into defending false claims.
For every Brian Wilson or Paul McCartney, there's a Carol Kaye, a Sky Saxon, a James Jamerson, or Arthur Lee ... people who were there, made great contributions to some of the greatest art of all time but who maybe have had to struggle to pay the bills later on. Some of them have skewed views of their history. I just feel there are respectful and disrespectful ways to interact with them.
Carol Kaye was there and we weren't. I have nothing but respect for her; end of story.
So you have respect for someone who has consistently claimed credit for something she's not done at the expense of the true contributor, who is no longer here to defend himself ? You say she was there ? Not in Detroit, she wasn't: she admits that herself. I don't dispute she was an iconic bass player in the LA studio scene and her contribution to to literally hundreds, thousands of classic songs is rightly lauded. She is unquestionably a legend. Equally, given the evidence presented here and elsewhere over the past few decades, neither you nor any other CK 'defenders' can dispute that she's been thoroughly unpleasant and vindictive to anyone who disputes her recollections and has demonstrably lied about playing on some iconic rock sessions.
Sir, if that is your idea of respect, I don't wish to know you.
DonnyL:
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on December 03, 2011, 11:46:10 PM
Quote from: DonnyL on December 03, 2011, 10:38:54 PM
I'm not really into defending false claims.
For every Brian Wilson or Paul McCartney, there's a Carol Kaye, a Sky Saxon, a James Jamerson, or Arthur Lee ... people who were there, made great contributions to some of the greatest art of all time but who maybe have had to struggle to pay the bills later on. Some of them have skewed views of their history. I just feel there are respectful and disrespectful ways to interact with them.
Carol Kaye was there and we weren't. I have nothing but respect for her; end of story.
So you have respect for someone who has consistently claimed credit for something she's not done at the expense of the true contributor, who is no longer here to defend himself ? You say she was there ? Not in Detroit, she wasn't: she admits that herself. I don't dispute she was an iconic bass player in the LA studio scene and her contribution to to literally hundreds, thousands of classic songs is rightly lauded. She is unquestionably a legend. Equally, given the evidence presented here and elsewhere over the past few decades, neither you nor any other CK 'defenders' can dispute that she's been thoroughly unpleasant and vindictive to anyone who disputes her recollections and has demonstrably lied about playing on some iconic rock sessions.
Sir, if that is your idea of respect, I don't wish to know you.
i get it bro. but with the tone around here, you'd think we were talking about someone who did not play on 'pet sounds' and 'smile'.
you can be a little hot-headed yourself at times. but don't take offense -- i still respect you as a historian. but i can see why the history makers and those who chronicle them could perhaps be at odds at times.
Andrew G. Doe:
Did you actually read this part of my post - "I don't dispute she was an iconic bass player in the LA studio scene and her contribution to to literally hundreds, thousands of classic songs is rightly lauded. She is unquestionably a legend." - ?
Actually, we're talking about someone who says she played on a mess of Motown hits, The Doors "Light My Fire" and "Surfin' USA" and "Surf City" when the AFM contracts say she didn't (e.g Surf City AFM).
Jay:
Quote from: DonnyL on December 04, 2011, 12:02:27 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on December 03, 2011, 11:46:10 PM
Quote from: DonnyL on December 03, 2011, 10:38:54 PM
I'm not really into defending false claims.
For every Brian Wilson or Paul McCartney, there's a Carol Kaye, a Sky Saxon, a James Jamerson, or Arthur Lee ... people who were there, made great contributions to some of the greatest art of all time but who maybe have had to struggle to pay the bills later on. Some of them have skewed views of their history. I just feel there are respectful and disrespectful ways to interact with them.
Carol Kaye was there and we weren't. I have nothing but respect for her; end of story.
So you have respect for someone who has consistently claimed credit for something she's not done at the expense of the true contributor, who is no longer here to defend himself ? You say she was there ? Not in Detroit, she wasn't: she admits that herself. I don't dispute she was an iconic bass player in the LA studio scene and her contribution to to literally hundreds, thousands of classic songs is rightly lauded. She is unquestionably a legend. Equally, given the evidence presented here and elsewhere over the past few decades, neither you nor any other CK 'defenders' can dispute that she's been thoroughly unpleasant and vindictive to anyone who disputes her recollections and has demonstrably lied about playing on some iconic rock sessions.
Sir, if that is your idea of respect, I don't wish to know you.
i get it bro. but with the tone around here, you'd think we were talking about someone who did not play on 'pet sounds' and 'smile'.
you can be a little hot-headed yourself at times. but don't take offense -- i still respect you as a historian. but i can see why the history makers and those who chronicle them could perhaps be at odds at times.
With all due respect, I don't care if she did or didn't play on Smile. This is a question about proper behaviour of a human being. I don't care if you are the President of the United States Of America. If you don't show respect and proper conduct, then you aren't worthy of being shown the same respect. The part about AGD's mother was particularly vicious, inexcusable and, IMO, unforgivable.
DonnyL:
Well, I don't think it's a good idea to fight fire with fire. This is a public forum and many here are making disrespectful & offensive statements quite casually. It just reeks, that's all.
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