Brian needs a number one single

[Mike's Beard]

Gonna probably get flamed for this, but I would kill to hear Brian do a covers album of modern songs )preferably by artists inspired by his own music) in his own BW style. Hearing him do, say, Stone Temple Pilots 'About a Fool' (inspired by among other things, Friends or something by Weezer, but in his own style, would be killer.

Billy if he's gonna go the STP route, Brian covering "Sex Type Thing" would make a great novelty tune.

[Magic Transistor Radio]

Medecine for Brian's soul? That would be no touring, no interviews, no meet and greets, no pressure. A chair, a comfy one preferably, a baseball game on TV, a beer and a cheeseburger, an occasional trip to the piano, an hourly visit to the jukebox for a Be My Baby hit, another beer and a chili dog, more baseball on TV, then bed for 20 hours or so, large breakfast, shoot a few hoops in the driveway, chair, baseball, burger, jukebox, piano, bed. Maybe one recording session a month just to test some ideas. A salad now and then to keep the system flowing. No pressure, no touring, no interviews. He deserves this regardless of what we all want.

Sounds like it inspired some of his songs such as 'I'd Love Just Once to See You', 'Busy Doin Nothing' and 'I Went to Sleep'. Not national hits, but they are hits in my living room. Same with TLOS and BRG

[37!ws]

Considering he doesn't listen to music recorded after 1979, I don't think so.

So....either Zooey Deschanel's CD was recorded before 1980, or Brian was lying at one point.

BTW, let's not forget that Smile went to #13. Not bad for Brian in 2004. At all! For comparison's sake, that's also the same peak chart position of the album that gave us "Fun, Fun, Fun," "Don't Worry, Baby," and "TWOTS."

[ghost]

Medecine for Brian's soul? That would be no touring, no interviews, no meet and greets, no pressure. A chair, a comfy one preferably, a baseball game on TV, a beer and a cheeseburger, an occasional trip to the piano, an hourly visit to the jukebox for a Be My Baby hit, another beer and a chili dog, more baseball on TV, then bed for 20 hours or so, large breakfast, shoot a few hoops in the driveway, chair, baseball, burger, jukebox, piano, bed. Maybe one recording session a month just to test some ideas. A salad now and then to keep the system flowing. No pressure, no touring, no interviews. He deserves this regardless of what we all want.

If Brian wanted that I'd be the first person to want him to have it. It's the rest of you guys who want him to continue doing things.

[buddhahat]

Considering he doesn't listen to music recorded after 1979, I don't think so. Someone should play him any indie album made in the last 20 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhtIIyvivSw
Can you imagine Brian getting inspired by that and then recording an album? Hello, SMiLE '11.

I love Animal Collective but don't think this is really where Brian's head is at nowadays, more's the pity.

Nobody is carrying the torch for harmony drenched Wilson/Spector pop melodies quite like AC's Panda Bear though. Man can he write a cool tune. A Collaboration between Brian and Panda Bear could reap spectacular results, but I just can't quite visualize who would do what and in what universe this might occur. One's thing for sure: Jeff's Foskett's overbearing nasal twang would definitely not feature.

[The Heartical Don]

Medecine for Brian's soul? That would be no touring, no interviews, no meet and greets, no pressure. A chair, a comfy one preferably, a baseball game on TV, a beer and a cheeseburger, an occasional trip to the piano, an hourly visit to the jukebox for a Be My Baby hit, another beer and a chili dog, more baseball on TV, then bed for 20 hours or so, large breakfast, shoot a few hoops in the driveway, chair, baseball, burger, jukebox, piano, bed. Maybe one recording session a month just to test some ideas. A salad now and then to keep the system flowing. No pressure, no touring, no interviews. He deserves this regardless of what we all want.

If Brian wanted that I'd be the first person to want him to have it. It's the rest of you guys who want him to continue doing things.

I am sure Jon Stebbins has a much more direct insight in these matters than I do. And I too think that Brian must be in a position to do what he likes best. My own humble caveat is that too much passivity (20 hrs in bed? Irony, I hope?) does not seem beneficial to me. Brian suffers from clinical depression, as far as I know, and has medication for that (fluvoxamine, IIRC). This implies that he'd not be that well off with a rather passive lifestyle and much bedtime. What happens then is that certain brain areas, collectively known as the 'default mode network', become active for a prolonged time, which in depressed people leads to sad and ruminative thoughts, feelings of guilt and worthlessness, and all of that in a cyclical form.
Which poses a dilemma, I know. In how far can one 'push' a person with a mood disorder into activity, e.g. stage performances and recording? Is that tinkering with one's free will? But what if that free will, if realized in full, is actually bad for that person?
I don't have an answer. I only know that activity, changes in environment, creative acts, much socializing, and a plethora of stimuli from the outside world considerably diminish feelings of depression. And it's a fact that depressed people have a tendency to do that which precisely is not good for their moods, like retreating, living as a recluse, eating unhealthily, and using alcohol (a depressant!) and drugs.

[Sam_BFC]

If Neil Diamond can have a number one record (admittedly an album) then the Beach Boys could.

[Jon Stebbins]

Medecine for Brian's soul? That would be no touring, no interviews, no meet and greets, no pressure. A chair, a comfy one preferably, a baseball game on TV, a beer and a cheeseburger, an occasional trip to the piano, an hourly visit to the jukebox for a Be My Baby hit, another beer and a chili dog, more baseball on TV, then bed for 20 hours or so, large breakfast, shoot a few hoops in the driveway, chair, baseball, burger, jukebox, piano, bed. Maybe one recording session a month just to test some ideas. A salad now and then to keep the system flowing. No pressure, no touring, no interviews. He deserves this regardless of what we all want.

If Brian wanted that I'd be the first person to want him to have it. It's the rest of you guys who want him to continue doing things.

I am sure Jon Stebbins has a much more direct insight in these matters than I do. And I too think that Brian must be in a position to do what he likes best. My own humble caveat is that too much passivity (20 hrs in bed? Irony, I hope?) does not seem beneficial to me. Brian suffers from clinical depression, as far as I know, and has medication for that (fluvoxamine, IIRC). This implies that he'd not be that well off with a rather passive lifestyle and much bedtime. What happens then is that certain brain areas, collectively known as the 'default mode network', become active for a prolonged time, which in depressed people leads to sad and ruminative thoughts, feelings of guilt and worthlessness, and all of that in a cyclical form.
Which poses a dilemma, I know. In how far can one 'push' a person with a mood disorder into activity, e.g. stage performances and recording? Is that tinkering with one's free will? But what if that free will, if realized in full, is actually bad for that person?
I don't have an answer. I only know that activity, changes in environment, creative acts, much socializing, and a plethora of stimuli from the outside world considerably diminish feelings of depression. And it's a fact that depressed people have a tendency to do that which precisely is not good for their moods, like retreating, living as a recluse, eating unhealthily, and using alcohol (a depressant!) and drugs.

I think Brian has given us enough. If he wants to live unhealthily, let him have his last ten years of doing so. 20 hour stretches of sleep was ironic...not 20 hours everyday, but you know, let the old fella sleep in...no schedule, no routine, no stage fright, no freaking out on airplanes, no scary people. He gave us his all, let him rest.

[Amy B.]

Brian has it etched in his head that his self-worth is tied to having a number one hit. In this day and age, many of the best artists never have number one hits...or any hits. It would be great if someone could make him realize this, and I think a few have tried. Remember when Elvis Costello brought him that stack of CDs from artists he thought Brian should hear? But I don't think it's easy to get this through Brian's head.

It's hard to know what's best for Brian. If he sits around doing nothing all day, will his depression get the best of him? Or will he finally get the peace of mind he deserves? Maybe he'll start getting musical ideas, and he can record one-offs to post on iTunes, like many of us have wished--without worrying about whether any of those songs will be a hit. Or maybe he's better off keeping busy. And maybe it's the idea of getting a hit that keeps him motivated. I just hope he realizes that just because something doesn't reach the top of the charts doesn't mean it's not worthy of attention.

[rab2591]

Brian has it etched in his head that his self-worth is tied to having a number one hit. In this day and age, many of the best artists never have number one hits...or any hits. It would be great if someone could make him realize this, and I think a few have tried. Remember when Elvis Costello brought him that stack of CDs from artists he thought Brian should hear? But I don't think it's easy to get this through Brian's head.

It's hard to know what's best for Brian. If he sits around doing nothing all day, will his depression get the best of him? Or will he finally get the peace of mind he deserves? Maybe he'll start getting musical ideas, and he can record one-offs to post on iTunes, like many of us have wished--without worrying about whether any of those songs will be a hit. Or maybe he's better off keeping busy. And maybe it's the idea of getting a hit that keeps him motivated. I just hope he realizes that just because something doesn't reach the top of the charts doesn't mean it's not worthy of attention.

Especially nowadays. I glance through Rolling Stone once in a while and look at the charts - normally it's Justin Bieber, Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, Rihanna, Justin Bieber, etc. Fine if they actually recorded anything that had any semblance to artistic merit - but they don't. It's the same shitty chords over and over again. It's monotonous, and the public eats it up for some reason.

I say good riddance to charts. Brian should just write from the heart (if he chooses to write). Forget the charts, forget the fans, just write some music if you want.

[Howie Edelson]

The last thing Brian Wilson wants to do is be Brian Wilson. Touring for him is an escape where he can occasionally eat junk food. Honestly. He doesn't love performing, he doesn't love recording. I'm guessing there's at least SOME happiness in composing -- but then again, who knows? Who knows what makes him happy now? I actually don't believe he's "happy" that often. I don't know if "happy" plays into it -- like reptiles, they just keep existing. "Joy" isn't really a factor. He's been writing for 50 years, my guess is that it's like brushing his teeth or breathing at this point. I believe silence or not being asked to do anything is what Brian wants. I think its safe to say that a "Number One Hit" -- which is insanely ridiculous to presume would or could or should happen -- wouldn't make Brian REALLY be "back." (I thought 'SMILE '04' cured Brian? No?) This is it, people. This as good as it gets. A "Number One"? Jeez -- what are we 15?

Re: Performing live -- I know people who caught recent shows who told me that it would be their last time due to Brian being so obviously unhappy (e.g. looking "tired,'" "mentally troubled," or that it made them "physically uncomfortable," -- I tell them, "Hey -- that's part of the show, like lasers.")

At this stage of the game I think the only valid or real Brian Wilson music will come from working with Mike Love. I think anything past that is really pushing it.

[buddhahat]

Medecine for Brian's soul? That would be no touring, no interviews, no meet and greets, no pressure. A chair, a comfy one preferably, a baseball game on TV, a beer and a cheeseburger, an occasional trip to the piano, an hourly visit to the jukebox for a Be My Baby hit, another beer and a chili dog, more baseball on TV, then bed for 20 hours or so, large breakfast, shoot a few hoops in the driveway, chair, baseball, burger, jukebox, piano, bed. Maybe one recording session a month just to test some ideas. A salad now and then to keep the system flowing. No pressure, no touring, no interviews. He deserves this regardless of what we all want.

If Brian wanted that I'd be the first person to want him to have it. It's the rest of you guys who want him to continue doing things.

I am sure Jon Stebbins has a much more direct insight in these matters than I do. And I too think that Brian must be in a position to do what he likes best. My own humble caveat is that too much passivity (20 hrs in bed? Irony, I hope?) does not seem beneficial to me. Brian suffers from clinical depression, as far as I know, and has medication for that (fluvoxamine, IIRC). This implies that he'd not be that well off with a rather passive lifestyle and much bedtime. What happens then is that certain brain areas, collectively known as the 'default mode network', become active for a prolonged time, which in depressed people leads to sad and ruminative thoughts, feelings of guilt and worthlessness, and all of that in a cyclical form.
Which poses a dilemma, I know. In how far can one 'push' a person with a mood disorder into activity, e.g. stage performances and recording? Is that tinkering with one's free will? But what if that free will, if realized in full, is actually bad for that person?
I don't have an answer. I only know that activity, changes in environment, creative acts, much socializing, and a plethora of stimuli from the outside world considerably diminish feelings of depression. And it's a fact that depressed people have a tendency to do that which precisely is not good for their moods, like retreating, living as a recluse, eating unhealthily, and using alcohol (a depressant!) and drugs.

I think Brian has given us enough. If he wants to live unhealthily, let him have his last ten years of doing so. 20 hour stretches of sleep was ironic...not 20 hours everyday, but you know, let the old fella sleep in...no schedule, no routine, no stage fright, no freaking out on airplanes, no scary people. He gave us his all, let him rest.

I agree with the sentiment, but Heartical Don may well have a point. With Brian's mental health problems a busy schedule might actually keep the demons at bay. I'm no expert in the inner workings of BW's mind though. I think we're all on the same page - whatever makes him happy.

[The Shift]

Friend of mine has Parkinson's. I recently had to ask him for a few phone numbers and bank account details. He didn't even have to look them up - just reeled them off.  His way of keeping alert and making suffer that rotten disease doesn't get the better of him.  Suspect part of Brian's tour schedule might performa  similar function against his demons, as buddhahat suggests. Peter Reum could no doubt throw much more qualified opinion into the ring but I've always considered Brian's shows – and therefore us, his audience – to be part of the ongoing improvement plan.

But as they say, his happiness is his priority. My happiness is one of mine!

[monicker]

Cancel the nostalgia tour, send out an email to the fans saying grow up move on...

[Rocker]

Medecine for Brian's soul? That would be no touring, no interviews, no meet and greets, no pressure. A chair, a comfy one preferably, a baseball game on TV, a beer and a cheeseburger, an occasional trip to the piano, an hourly visit to the jukebox for a Be My Baby hit, another beer and a chili dog, more baseball on TV, then bed for 20 hours or so, large breakfast, shoot a few hoops in the driveway, chair, baseball, burger, jukebox, piano, bed. Maybe one recording session a month just to test some ideas. A salad now and then to keep the system flowing. No pressure, no touring, no interviews. He deserves this regardless of what we all want.

Of course he does. But that's not the point in this thread. Ghost mentioned an interview (look into the youtube thread, I put a link there yesterday or the day before) where Brian does say that he wants that hit and we'd would discuss how he might get it.
At least that's how I understand it and into what direction my wonderful post was going.

But I guess we shouldn't overlook what was said in this thread. Commercial success was alsways a very, very big part for Brian. And I should think that the fact that the Beach Boys' last number one wasn't written, produced or arranged by him and he wasn't even part of it in any way, does hurt him and is some kind of open wound. I would feel the same way.

[Chris Brown]

I agree with Jon's sentiments too, but in the context of the subject at hand, unfortunately I just don't think it's possible for Brian to have a number one hit on his own.  Partly for musical reasons, given the quality of the drivel that goes to number one these days, but also because he doesn't have the name recognition of a Rod Stewart or Barry Manilow (who can put out cover albums on par or worse than BWRG and have much bigger hits). 

I have no doubt that Brian still yearns for a hit.  That's what he was "programmed" to do by his father.  As others have hinted at, I think Brian's best shot at one last number one hit is with the Beach Boys - not necessarily because that would mean writing with Mike, but because the public still knows their name.  Weirder things have happened I suppose.

[Ron]

I did not mean to specifically ridicule Coldplay, nor to offend anyone in his/her taste. I chose Coldplay because I myself don't 'get' them, whatever that may mean.

Don't worry, there's nothing to get but pretention.

[Ron]

Medecine for Brian's soul? That would be no touring, no interviews, no meet and greets, no pressure. A chair, a comfy one preferably, a baseball game on TV, a beer and a cheeseburger, an occasional trip to the piano, an hourly visit to the jukebox for a Be My Baby hit, another beer and a chili dog, more baseball on TV, then bed for 20 hours or so, large breakfast, shoot a few hoops in the driveway, chair, baseball, burger, jukebox, piano, bed. Maybe one recording session a month just to test some ideas. A salad now and then to keep the system flowing. No pressure, no touring, no interviews. He deserves this regardless of what we all want.

If Brian wanted that I'd be the first person to want him to have it. It's the rest of you guys who want him to continue doing things.

I am sure Jon Stebbins has a much more direct insight in these matters than I do. And I too think that Brian must be in a position to do what he likes best. My own humble caveat is that too much passivity (20 hrs in bed? Irony, I hope?) does not seem beneficial to me. Brian suffers from clinical depression, as far as I know, and has medication for that (fluvoxamine, IIRC). This implies that he'd not be that well off with a rather passive lifestyle and much bedtime. What happens then is that certain brain areas, collectively known as the 'default mode network', become active for a prolonged time, which in depressed people leads to sad and ruminative thoughts, feelings of guilt and worthlessness, and all of that in a cyclical form.
Which poses a dilemma, I know. In how far can one 'push' a person with a mood disorder into activity, e.g. stage performances and recording? Is that tinkering with one's free will? But what if that free will, if realized in full, is actually bad for that person?
I don't have an answer. I only know that activity, changes in environment, creative acts, much socializing, and a plethora of stimuli from the outside world considerably diminish feelings of depression. And it's a fact that depressed people have a tendency to do that which precisely is not good for their moods, like retreating, living as a recluse, eating unhealthily, and using alcohol (a depressant!) and drugs.

I think Brian has given us enough. If he wants to live unhealthily, let him have his last ten years of doing so. 20 hour stretches of sleep was ironic...not 20 hours everyday, but you know, let the old fella sleep in...no schedule, no routine, no stage fright, no freaking out on airplanes, no scary people. He gave us his all, let him rest.

I respectfully disagree.  I don't think anybody should be allowed to do that, no matter how old they are, or how much they've given the world.  I hope I drop dead working on something.  Who the hell wants to lie around the house all day?

[puni puni]

Don is spot on (except for the Coldplay bit) - For Brian to get a number one hit he would have to give up his knack for finding amazing new chords/melodies and he would have to solely focus on writing a song in the Am-F-C-G chord structure (isten to the radio for 20 minutes right now - almost guaranteed that every song will use this progression). The public LOVES plastic hits - hits that are phony and have no originality. Thus the public would hate Brian's Gershwin-esque musical style.

I thought that by "hit" we meant an album that would never get radio play but still unanimous perfect scores on review sites. Kinda like when Pet Sounds came out but not really. It goes without saying that he would have to dumb down his music significantly to get a club radio hit in this day and age... And now I'm thinking of "Niiiight tiiiime is the riiiight tiiiime for meee".

I don't think Brian is into newer music. I just saw an interview with him last night from a decade or two ago and he explained how it is for him hearing the radio. He said it got to a point where he tuned in, couldn't understand what he heard, so stopped tuning in. He dropped out of the collective music consciousness as far as tracking trends and movements and instead retreating into his own eccentric music world. He just watches that 60s channel on TV now.

Yep, it's is incredibly scary for any musician to be completely ignoring 30+ years of evolution. I think Paul McCartney was like this after the '80s until Flaming Pie. Supposedly, it took The Beatles Anthology for him to realize that he was out of the loop.

[Don_Zabu]

Considering he doesn't listen to music recorded after 1979, I don't think so. Someone should play him any indie album made in the last 20 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhtIIyvivSw
Can you imagine Brian getting inspired by that and then recording an album? Hello, SMiLE '11.

More likely, I think he'd go "Hey, these guys stole one of my melodies!"

[puni puni]

Yeah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDDqZ5KVvmI

[The Heartical Don]

Considering he doesn't listen to music recorded after 1979, I don't think so. Someone should play him any indie album made in the last 20 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhtIIyvivSw
Can you imagine Brian getting inspired by that and then recording an album? Hello, SMiLE '11.

More likely, I think he'd go "Hey, these guys stole one of my melodies!"

  reminds me of one Van Morrison. For decades now, he writes grumpy songs about journalists, and, more to the point, about lesser artists than himself who stole his melodies and/or lyrics, and reaped great fruits thereby. It's a side of a great artist that I can't appreciate, because I don't think he's right. No one was or is 'after him'. And, even if someone were, they wouldn't be able to touch his talent.

[MBE]

Medecine for Brian's soul? That would be no touring, no interviews, no meet and greets, no pressure. A chair, a comfy one preferably, a baseball game on TV, a beer and a cheeseburger, an occasional trip to the piano, an hourly visit to the jukebox for a Be My Baby hit, another beer and a chili dog, more baseball on TV, then bed for 20 hours or so, large breakfast, shoot a few hoops in the driveway, chair, baseball, burger, jukebox, piano, bed. Maybe one recording session a month just to test some ideas. A salad now and then to keep the system flowing. No pressure, no touring, no interviews. He deserves this regardless of what we all want.

If Brian wanted that I'd be the first person to want him to have it. It's the rest of you guys who want him to continue doing things.

I am sure Jon Stebbins has a much more direct insight in these matters than I do. And I too think that Brian must be in a position to do what he likes best. My own humble caveat is that too much passivity (20 hrs in bed? Irony, I hope?) does not seem beneficial to me. Brian suffers from clinical depression, as far as I know, and has medication for that (fluvoxamine, IIRC). This implies that he'd not be that well off with a rather passive lifestyle and much bedtime. What happens then is that certain brain areas, collectively known as the 'default mode network', become active for a prolonged time, which in depressed people leads to sad and ruminative thoughts, feelings of guilt and worthlessness, and all of that in a cyclical form.
Which poses a dilemma, I know. In how far can one 'push' a person with a mood disorder into activity, e.g. stage performances and recording? Is that tinkering with one's free will? But what if that free will, if realized in full, is actually bad for that person?
I don't have an answer. I only know that activity, changes in environment, creative acts, much socializing, and a plethora of stimuli from the outside world considerably diminish feelings of depression. And it's a fact that depressed people have a tendency to do that which precisely is not good for their moods, like retreating, living as a recluse, eating unhealthily, and using alcohol (a depressant!) and drugs.

I think Brian has given us enough. If he wants to live unhealthily, let him have his last ten years of doing so. 20 hour stretches of sleep was ironic...not 20 hours everyday, but you know, let the old fella sleep in...no schedule, no routine, no stage fright, no freaking out on airplanes, no scary people. He gave us his all, let him rest.

The sad thing is that I think Brian wanted this after 1967 and was never allowed it at least since 1976. The only period where he seems to have simply followed his own muse was pre Brian Is Back. Yes he self destructed after Murry died, but in his mid to late twenties it seems he had a few brief moments of enjoying his life the way he chose. Does anybody really think Brian Wilson wants to do Disney covers and oldies shows?

[absinthe_boy]

Depression....as I've said before, I know a thing or two about living with and caring for somebody suffering from clinical depression.

I do not know Brian Wilson but in my experience (caveat - YMMV) letting a depressed person stay in bed, doing nothing and NOT giving them a daily routine to follow leads to them becoming suicidal quickly. And I mean real despair-filled, want to cut their wrists in a bath full of hot water suicidal.

However, given the right treatment and a purposeful daily/monthly/yearly routine the same person can enjoy extended periods of good mental health and in some cases (I am told) even recover such that they don't need much help and support (emotional or chemical).

There's no doubting that sometimes Brian wishes he wasn't on tour...no doubt that his answers to questions in interviews vary sometimes wildly. There's also little doubt that he'd like to have a hit single on his terms. If a BW-penned and produced song featuring wonderful vocal harmonies and chord changes that only Brian could conjure up were to be a major hit....we'd all probably shed tears of joy along with the man himself. But I do agree that Brian actually trying deliberately to have a hit might be a poor idea....what if it doesn't succeed?

Back in 2004 when Brian learned that the Wonderful single had debuted at #29 in the British charts he seemed really excited. It takes a lot to excite somebody suffering from clinical depression. It seems that the aftermath of SMiLE was that a fire was lit under Brian's bum for a while, he wrote new songs, worked hard, he was engaged with his life and his art.

I have few doubts that commercial success is viewed by Brian as some form of validation...as is the adoration of his fans and the reception he gets after a good concert.

[WaxOn]

I've always thought that he should do a multi-collaboration disk with assorted musicians and producers. He's got to have a handful of songs and ideas floating around someplace. They don't even have to be that developed. Just give each song to a variety of top-notch folks from a huge variety of musical genres.

Something similar just worked for Devo, working with Teddybears, John King, Greg Kurstin, John Hill, Mark Nishita and Santi White.

Anything from alt and techno to hip-hop and country.
Some have already been named, some not. Guaranteed, a who's who of people would be knocking down the door for a chance to work with him.

First, Brian has less pressure of having to "get along" with any one group or person. It's one song, a couple of weeks and some time off before the next one. Then he's back at it again. Nice and easy.

Advantage, new blood. New thoughts. Pushing Brian in some direction he would never dream of or even know existed.
Perhaps even, come across somebody he develops a relationship with. And even the potential for some serendipitous and unforeseen synergy combining into something that gets airplay. And perhaps even [gasp] chart.

Problem with the Wondermints is they're too indebted to BW, and while they've done a lot of good moving him forward, that time has come to an end. Nothing new will come from this, and nothing else can be mined from a back catalog.

Just my 2¢.