Brian: "It's going to be a great box set."

[guitarfool2002]

So now there is a possibility we'll be getting fan remixes on the box set, if that's indeed the version of GV that appears on the promo sampler?

I seriously hope not, unless it's as separate bonus downloads and clearly labelled as such. I doubt Capitol would cheapen the project in such a way, and if they do, loud will be my complaints. "Here's the sessions for the most important, legendary unreleased rock album of all time... oh, and we've added some lo-fi amateur home-made fan mashups as well." Most prestigious.

Well, arguably they are already at least INSPIRED by fan mixes -- as witnessed by Mark Linett's re-creation of the "Anne Wallace mix" of "Surf's Up." I've always suspected that the structure of the BWPS "Wind Chimes" was influenced by fan mixes more than the "finished" version on the GV box. If Linett takes a particularly spectacular fan mix and re-creates it with the master tapes, I guess I'm OK with it, as long as there's a point to it.

What you're describing as recreating a fan mix is one thing, but actually including a fan remix done by a fan without access to the master tapes as I'm reading into this GV deal would be a very bad move, IMO. The whole appeal of this box set for me is getting closer to the master tapes and thus higher fidelity: A fan mix has none of that, no matter how good it may be.

It would seem very, very unlikely they'd put a fan remix on this, but how else should we read into it if that GV mix was not performed by Mark Linett who I assumed was doing all the mixing for this box set?

[guitarfool2002]

Sorry for the overlap - similar replies came in as I was typing mine! Hot topic...


Someone suggested earlier this could be someone winding us up...is there *any* confirmation that such a promo was even issued by Capitol beyond that message board post?

[18thofMay]

I suggest everyone the whole thread that the link provided. It gets interesting!

[Dunderhead]

I suggest everyone the whole thread that the link provided. It gets interesting!

Huh?

[Andrew G. Doe]

I read it. Something smells funny..

[18thofMay]

I read it. Something smells funny.

Yes there is a number of "red flags" which arouse my suspicion! Is Mark that is moderating, the Mark that made the mix? His statements later are odd!

[?]

I read it. Something smells funny.

Yes there is a number of "red flags" which arouse my suspicion! Is Mark that is moderating, the Mark that made the mix? His statements later are odd!

Different guy.  The mod on that board is Marc Wielage.

[18thofMay]

I read it. Something smells funny.

Yes there is a number of "red flags" which arouse my suspicion! Is Mark that is moderating, the Mark that made the mix? His statements later are odd!

Different guy.  The mod on that board is Marc Wielage.

Thanks, thats one reg flag eliminated!

[Andrew G. Doe]

OK, this from a highly placed, reliable source - nothing to do with Capitol.

[18thofMay]

OK, this from a highly placed, reliable source - nothing to do with Capitol.

Thought so!

[GroovinGarrett]

OK, this from a highly placed, reliable source - nothing to do with Capitol.

Makes sense, and I trust AGD's word.

Notice I posed this question in post #14 of the BSN thread:

"So.....how is the MUSIC on the disc???"

....and got no reply from the OP. Just another diatribe on CD burning.

I posted another question directed at the OP requesting photographic proof. A lot of BS'ing goes on at BSN.

[Andrew G. Doe]

OK, this from a highly placed, reliable source - nothing to do with Capitol.

Makes sense, and I trust AGD's word.

Notice I posed this question in post #14 of the BSN thread:

"So.....how is the MUSIC on the disc???"

....and got no reply from the OP. Just another diatribe on CD burning.

I posted another question directed at the OP requesting photographic proof. A lot of BS'ing goes on at BSN.

I see the latest post is basically wall to wall tecchie jargon. Maybe you should post that someone's asked around and been told Capitol had nothing to do with it ? 

[GroovinGarrett]

I see the latest post is basically wall to wall tecchie jargon. Maybe you should post that someone's asked around and been told Capitol had nothing to do with it ? 

Done.

I haven't been on the Hoffman forum lately, at one point the Smile Box conversation was up to 4000 posts....on a set we have no official information on!

[Chris Brown]

I see the latest post is basically wall to wall tecchie jargon. Maybe you should post that someone's asked around and been told Capitol had nothing to do with it ? 

Done.

I haven't been on the Hoffman forum lately, at one point the Smile Box conversation was up to 4000 posts....on a set we have no official information on!

Not for nothing, but between all the threads we've had around here about the box, we're probably not too far off from that number - it's just spread out between various threads.

[buddhahat]

I see the latest post is basically wall to wall tecchie jargon. Maybe you should post that someone's asked around and been told Capitol had nothing to do with it ?  

Done.

I haven't been on the Hoffman forum lately, at one point the Smile Box conversation was up to 4000 posts....on a set we have no official information on!

Good work Garrett, and here's Diamone's response:


No ``cover'' to scan, just a clear-frosted CD-``Acetate'' with standard-font typeface on it, just like the Capitol promos of the Grace of My Heart soundtrack from 1996 that came out months before the movie or soundtrack album in a normal CD-Single white sleeve like a computer program disc would come in.

Will try and scan it in the next day or two. And the sound quality is no better or worse than the Mixfixer MP3s of either.The 20 minutes of ``elements'' are either A) mono or B) two-track mono.

No ``stereo'' in the elements which makes me wonder anyway since there's so much stereo elements in BB 30th. But who knows. Fan creation? Could be, but like I said it looks exactly like the CD-Acetate of GMH. And if it is a fan creation, then that would explain the excessive sourcing from BB 30.

But then why would a fan go to all the trouble of making his disc un-rippable by messing with PCM as well as PWM? That part don't make sense. If a kid's just cobbling something together, why make it rip-proof?

And then, so few ``civilians'' in the music or other world have my house address, that's odd too since there's no return address on the bubble mailer it came in.

So who knows.

Worth asking him, if he's familiar with Smile material, whether any of the stuff sounds new, i.e. unbooted, to him?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Seems to me the guy's pretty much admitting he's not convinced either... assuming any such thing exists, of course. "Will try to scan it in the next day or two"... sounds to me like someone buying time to mock something up to keep the hoax running (to scan and post - ten minutes tops), and as for no return addy on the mailer...  

Thanks for doing that.

[buddhahat]

Seems to me the guy's pretty much admitting he's not convinced either... assuming any such thing exists, of course. "Will try to scan it in the next day or two"... sounds to me like someone buying time to mock something up to keep the hoax running (to scan and post - ten minutes tops), and as for no return addy on the mailer...  

Thanks for doing that.

I'm not sure.  If you were to set up a hoax like this, wouldn't you be eager to follow up with convincing info such as a scan, or a tracklist. God, imagine the fun one of us would have with this: "Yeah there's a a funny song with animal noises and lyrics about some cat name Billy. There's a version of Surf's Up that goes all Zappa in the 2nd half " etc. This guy seems too disinterested to be a genuine hoaxer if you ask me. I suspect he might be the victim of a hoax. Does seem odd.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Seems to me the guy's pretty much admitting he's not convinced either... assuming any such thing exists, of course. "Will try to scan it in the next day or two"... sounds to me like someone buying time to mock something up to keep the hoax running (to scan and post - ten minutes tops), and as for no return addy on the mailer...  

Thanks for doing that.

I'm not sure.  If you were to set up a hoax like this, wouldn't you be eager to follow up with convincing info such as a scan, or a tracklist. God, imagine the fun one of us would have with this: "Yeah there's a a funny song with animal noises and lyrics about some cat name Billy. There's a version of Surf's Up that goes all Zappa in the 2nd half " etc. This guy seems too disinterested to be a genuine hoaxer if you ask me. I suspect he might be the victim of a hoax. Does seem odd.

I think the fact that he's avoiding making any comment on what the music actually sounds like is most instructive.

[hypehat]

Haha, if only.

"Yeah, I got this promo in the post today. It's really weird, it says 'Smile Sessions Press Preview' and all on it, but it's only one track and that's Brian, Al, Bruce & Mike laughing solidly for 77 minutes. I can't quite make out what they're laughing at, but it sure sounds like they're typing up something in turns, all laughing at each other's contributions. Just when the track ends, you hear Jardine say 'Those dumbs f**ks will believe anything they read' and someone else goes "We'll send that to Billboard."

[guitarfool2002]

I'm amazed the discussion is still active after it was reported that Capitol had nothing to do with this, which means it's a hoax.

And also - I'm not a member of that forum, I don't know who they are or whatever, but if I put myself out there as knowledgeable in all the tech details behind CD burning-ripping-conversion, I'd be able to come up with the following solution if I truly wanted to rip that music: Record the actual audio to a cassette deck, then play and record that analog audio back into any DAW. Simple as that if you truly wanted a quick way to do it. Wouldn't that defeat the ripping/burning protection they're going on about?