Carolyn Williams

[Exapno Mapcase]

"I think Mike told Sean O'Hagan that all brits are fags. Which is definetly something you just shouldn't say to a person who's about to collaborate with you on a project, period, but I'd file it as another one of those 'jokes that bomb' that Mike loves to tell his audience."

To be honest, I suspected this was the case - undiplomatic humour.

[Magic Transistor Radio]

I am black and I don't hate myself. Umm. Strike that. I just looked in the mirror and it appears that I'm white and do hate myself. Never mind. I love everybody.

[Mike's Beard]

Human behavior has a lot of degrees and variations. Sometimes people say dumb stuff just... because. It could be because they are a bigot, or because they are just a jack-ass, or perhaps 70% one and 30% of the other.  As George Carlin said, it's not the language that matters, it's the attitude behind it. Still, it is pretty bad form for someone like Mike to say the above about a potential collaborator... but John Lennon said worse in interviews and no one is calling him a bigot.

I very much agree that it is not the word in itself so much as the context in which it is said and the intent with which it is meant that makes something racist or homophobic.

A good is example is a certain word (which there is no way I will type on here for fear of getting lynched) which is in fact just an abbreviation for somebody who originates from Pakistan.

I doubt very much the English Gay Community would take to the streets in protest of what Mike said but maybe he should have waited until he knew Sean a bit better before he dropped a clanger like that?

[Fall Breaks]

  Dennis's fear of being raped came up on a board a few years back. Someone supposedly close to Dennis said ,he didn't know of it being true but, Dennis would say anything if it helped get him bailed  out of jail .  They also said Dennis would say anything to get a reaction or a charge out of someone.
 
 
 I agree with what has been said ,it sounds  like it was used for "sensationalistic purposes" in a book.

But how would claiming to have been raped by black men help him get bailed out of jail?  Or is that just an expression?

[send me a picture and i'll tell you]

Can anyone link to/post a picture of Carolyn?  No?
 

[kirt]

  Dennis's fear of being raped came up on a board a few years back. Someone supposedly close to Dennis said ,he didn't know of it being true but, Dennis would say anything if it helped get him bailed  out of jail .  They also said Dennis would say anything to get a reaction or a charge out of someone.
 
 
 I agree with what has been said ,it sounds  like it was used for "sensationalistic purposes" in a book.

But how would claiming to have been raped by black men help him get bailed out of jail?  Or is that just an expression?

I guess he'd told people he "would" get raped in jail or "had" been raped to get sympathy and thus get some bail money.   I personally don't know what he said but, if it were true, I would imagine it might go like this ...
DENNIS- "Dude, get me out of here, c'mon, I'll get raped in here. Please, bail me out  man. I promise to be a good Beach Boy.""


The whole thing is likely crap and untrue.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Can anyone link to/post a picture of Carolyn?  No?
 

I've never seen one. Also, I don't think she has ever commented on her time with Brian. Hell, I don't even know if she's even still alive.

[Matt H]

Can anyone link to/post a picture of Carolyn?  No?
 

I've never seen one. Also, I don't think she has ever commented on her time with Brian. Hell, I don't even know if she's even still alive.

I seem to remember hearing about a press conference she had about Brian being kidnapped when Landy took him to Hawaii in 1983, but I have never seen the interview.  It would be interesting to get her take on the whole situation.

[The Heartical Don]

Can anyone link to/post a picture of Carolyn?  No?
 

I've never seen one. Also, I don't think she has ever commented on her time with Brian. Hell, I don't even know if she's even still alive.

I seem to remember hearing about a press conference she had about Brian being kidnapped when Landy took him to Hawaii in 1983, but I have never seen the interview.  It would be interesting to get her take on the whole situation.

Interesting is too small a word IMHO. It is an important period in Bri's life that still is quite shrouded in mystery. Who did what?

[RONDEMON]

Apparently she's on Twitter @1Mahalo if anyone cares to Tweet at her and see if she'd be interested in visiting the board.
I'm guessing it's her because of her tweet a while back to Brian's acct.

@BrianWilsonLive Congrats, it could not have happen to a nicer guy. I know Carnie and Wendy are proud of you , Congrats
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[Autotune]

Can't say anything good or bad about her. BTW, she's another person that got trashed by the autobio.

[Gerry]

I saw her in Brian's  room at the Dunfy Hotel in 1981. She seemed like a nice enough person. She also traveled from the hotel to the show in a limo with Brian and Mike

[Lonely Summer]

Maybe she was a nice person, but she just happened to be around when Brian reached rock bottom with drugs? Something doesn't quite add up here.

[37!ws]

Someone did once post a picture of Carolyn in another thread from when she was with Brian...in fact, there was another picture of Brian sitting on the exact same piece of furniture, so we know it was legit.

What I found odd is that "Brian's" "autobio" mentioned that she was overweight. Judging from the picture, she didn't look the slightest bit overweight.

[Autotune]

Someone did once post a picture of Carolyn in another thread from when she was with Brian...in fact, there was another picture of Brian sitting on the exact same piece of furniture, so we know it was legit.

What I found odd is that "Brian's" "autobio" mentioned that she was overweight. Judging from the picture, she didn't look the slightest bit overweight.

Yeah that's a bizarre picture in that it shows early-80s Brian without the beard.

[RONDEMON]

What thread was this from?
Would love to see it.

[John Malone]

https://www.facebook.com/carolyn.williams.96343

[Rob Dean]

https://www.facebook.com/carolyn.williams.96343

Bit of a cougar then 

[37!ws]

What thread was this from?

Photo thread. I might still have the picture on my hard drive somewhere...

[Peter Reum]

Carolyn and I met the year before Brian was sent to Hawaii. She tried to take care of Brian, but his illness  was at its worst while she was living with him. I see the attitudes expressed  by group members as feelings of helplessness  with. respect to how to treat Brian (and Dennis) at that time. Several times various strategies were implemented to help them get well. Carolyn told me that she was very worried. about Brian, but he was not receptive to treatment. She said he was self-medicating with chemicals  that could kill him. There is no question that she wanted him to seek help, but like Dennis, he was too ill psychiatrically to make such a decision himself. Dennis was as well.

[37!ws]

What thread was this from?
Would love to see it.

Bad news: the picture in the thread is gone.

Good news: I had the foresight to save it.

First of all, here's a picture of Brian:


Note the couch.

Now, here's Carolyn, sitting on the same couch:

[bgas]

What thread was this from?
Would love to see it.

Bad news: the picture in the thread is gone.

Good news: I had the foresight to save it.

First of all, here's a picture of Brian:


Note the couch.

Now, here's Carolyn, sitting on the same couch:

  I think the reason Brian appears to be sitting so much higher on the couch than Carolyn, is due to Brian sitting on top of Carolyn!

[Andrew G. Doe]

Wait... between those photos being taken, someone moved the radio antenna !

Well, of course, that can only mean one thing...

[SBonilla]

Wait... between those photos being taken, someone moved the radio antenna !

Well, of course, that can only mean one thing...

The Pied Piper from the faraway land of night?

[Kamandi]

  I think the reason Brian appears to be sitting so much higher on the couch than Carolyn, is due to Brian sitting on top of Carolyn!

Well if I may paraphrase an anonymous poster from a long ago Beach Boys BBS; Im sure Brian brought may tears to grandma's eyes when he would sit on her lap and sing those harmony highs, especially when he was at peak weight.