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« Reply #6950 on: April 22, 2021, 05:36:53 PM »

Alright so itís Brian on piano and Carl on bass. That makes me feel better. I wonder where on earth they wouldíve thought that Brian played bass instead that they literally changed it on Wikipedia. Thatís a ridiculous and pointless situation. Imagine how many people the person who changed it might have been fooled.
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« Reply #6951 on: April 22, 2021, 05:42:23 PM »

Alright so itís Brian on piano and Carl on bass. That makes me feel better. I wonder where on earth they wouldíve thought that Brian played bass instead that they literally changed it on Wikipedia. Thatís a ridiculous and pointless situation. Imagine how many people the person who changed it might have been fooled.

Well, it'd be those people's own fault for using Wikipedia...
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« Reply #6952 on: April 22, 2021, 05:54:55 PM »

Also, and I just realized this. In the first two minutes, half of that is literally a 4/4 version of Let The Wind Blow. Quite the coincidence if you ask me.
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« Reply #6953 on: April 22, 2021, 07:08:58 PM »

Also, and I just realized this. In the first two minutes, half of that is literally a 4/4 version of Let The Wind Blow. Quite the coincidence if you ask me.

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« Reply #6954 on: April 22, 2021, 07:11:04 PM »

Oops I need to explain these things more. The link you provided has the same chord sequence in the first two minutes, except that itís in 4/4 and or course a completely different song.
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« Reply #6955 on: April 22, 2021, 07:26:00 PM »

Explain what you mean by the same chord sequence.  One could argue that both songs do a little back and forth on the minor v and minor ii chords, but that hardly qualifies as "literally the same song".  Brian reuses these patterns a lot.
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« Reply #6956 on: April 22, 2021, 08:08:02 PM »

Explain what you mean by the same chord sequence.  One could argue that both songs do a little back and forth on the minor v and minor ii chords, but that hardly qualifies as "literally the same song".  Brian reuses these patterns a lot.

Yeah I messed that up. Indeed one song could use the same chord changes and yet be completely different songs.
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« Reply #6957 on: April 22, 2021, 08:14:30 PM »

Explain what you mean by the same chord sequence.  One could argue that both songs do a little back and forth on the minor v and minor ii chords, but that hardly qualifies as "literally the same song".  Brian reuses these patterns a lot.

Yeah I messed that up. Indeed one song could use the same chord changes and yet be completely different songs.

Well, you've hit on a very interesting phenomenon.  I actually did a video about one of Brian's pet right-hand chord patterns, which hardly scratched the surface of all the times he used it.  I think it's great that he manages to find so much creative use out of the same thing, over and over again.

Here's that video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oFOC0VPN7w
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« Reply #6958 on: April 22, 2021, 08:22:47 PM »

Explain what you mean by the same chord sequence.  One could argue that both songs do a little back and forth on the minor v and minor ii chords, but that hardly qualifies as "literally the same song".  Brian reuses these patterns a lot.

Yeah I messed that up. Indeed one song could use the same chord changes and yet be completely different songs.

Well, you've hit on a very interesting phenomenon.  I actually did a video about one of Brian's pet right-hand chord patterns, which hardly scratched the surface of all the times he used it.  I think it's great that he manages to find so much creative use out of the same thing, over and over again.

Here's that video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oFOC0VPN7w

Thank you! That was a really good video! Even with the simplest chords, Brian could always turn it into something phenomenal! Smiley
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« Reply #6959 on: April 22, 2021, 08:23:31 PM »

Before I get too off topic I wanna add another question to the mix:

Who played on Sea Cruise? Iíve heard the drums were Dennis on the ďDennis as a studio drummerĒ thread on here, and the keyboards (piano and organ) sound very quirky and Brian-like. I also hear saxophones (probably regulars Steve & Jay), a guitar part very similar to that on Palisades Park in terms of style, a bass guitar, a tambourine and a whip sound similar to that used by Ricky Fataar on Just Once In My Life.

And that leaves me to my 2nd question: what is making that whip sound in both songs?
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« Reply #6960 on: April 23, 2021, 03:20:03 AM »

I promise you, the answers to these things will come, eventually, in some form. People are working through it. It just isn't feasible at this pace to try and rattle off the instrumental credits to the Beach Boys' entire recorded output song by song on a forum (or forum-s). I don't want to discourage your enthusiasm - it's really great, and those of us who study these things are happy to help out when we can, and more than receptive to discussion about anything that's yet unsolved - just... breathe!

I don't know anything about Sea Cruise, but I'll get back to you on We're Together Again.
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« Reply #6961 on: April 23, 2021, 05:23:20 AM »

From the AFM contract for SEA CRUISE: 

Dennis on drums, Brian on piano & organ, Ray Pohlman on bass, Ben Benay and Larry Rolando on guitars, Julius Wechter on percussion, Steve Douglas, Jay Migliori, Dennis Dreith, and Mike Altschol on saxophones.
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« Reply #6962 on: April 23, 2021, 05:51:53 AM »

We're Together Again v1 - Basic track was Brian on piano, Bruce on almost inaudible Rock-Si-Chord, Carl on bass, and Dennis on drums, with an overdub of a more dominant Rock-Si-Chord (probably Brian, could be Bruce) and Carl playing a subdued electric guitar. There was a punch-in to that overdub track in the bridge consisting of a much more upfront guitar (guitars?) and the Roxi traded for a double of the bass part - again, could be either Brian or Bruce. Strings: John DeVoogt, Jack Gootkin, Leonard Malarsky, Darrel Terwilliger, Norman Botnick, Louis Kievman (some played both violin and viola in their careers, hard to say exactly who's doing what).

We're Together Again v2 - Mike Rubini and Jim Ackley on piano and Rock-Si-Chord, Al Vescovo on electric guitar, probably Carl on bass, Alan Estes on marimba, John Guerin on drums. James Burton was there and paid for guitar and Dobro but left before the end of the session, probably meaning he wasn't on the final take, or else his hypothetical parts weren't kept anyway. John Guerin might have overdubbed tambourine and some sort of 'blocks' that were then erased. A few days later, James Burton overdubbed extra electric guitar, and he and Red Rhodes added Dobro and pedal steel. Strings: John DeVoogt, Bonnie Douglas, Ronald Folsom, Paul Shure, Norman Botnick, Darrel Terwilliger.
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« Reply #6963 on: April 23, 2021, 05:53:08 AM »

Explain what you mean by the same chord sequence.  One could argue that both songs do a little back and forth on the minor v and minor ii chords, but that hardly qualifies as "literally the same song".  Brian reuses these patterns a lot.

Yeah I messed that up. Indeed one song could use the same chord changes and yet be completely different songs.

Well, you've hit on a very interesting phenomenon.  I actually did a video about one of Brian's pet right-hand chord patterns, which hardly scratched the surface of all the times he used it.  I think it's great that he manages to find so much creative use out of the same thing, over and over again.

Here's that video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oFOC0VPN7w

Brian refers to these as "feels". In an interview with David Leaf promoting POB, Dennis described how he loved one of the old feels that Brian would play (essentially, the piano shuffle rhythm in such songs as "Little Deuce Coupe") and incorporated it into his own song "What's Wrong".
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« Reply #6964 on: April 23, 2021, 05:56:27 AM »

Thank you both for the information and thanks for the ďfeelsĒ explanation, thatís really interesting to know. Yeah, Iím pretty much good for today at least. Iím gonna be pretty busy today so I wonít ask too many questions. Iíll be available again at around 4PM Maryland time.
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« Reply #6965 on: April 23, 2021, 12:31:37 PM »

Do we know who played on Transcendental Mediation (the song)? I hear saxophones, and a saxophone solo in there. Drums are pretty jazzy so maybe a drummer with a jazz background (like Earl Palmer maybe  Wink). Other than bass I donít really hear anything else, is that it? I like this instrumental track but the song itself... kinda blows.
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« Reply #6966 on: April 23, 2021, 01:43:26 PM »

First of all, the song absolutely rules

Second, it's Lyle on bass and Jim Gordon on drums, plus a whopping 10 sax players. Somewhere in the vicinity of 4 baritones, 4 tenors, 2 altos. They are: Bill Perkins, Don Englert, Tom Scott, David Sherr, Jay Migliori, Bill Green, Jim Horn, Meyer Hirsch, Ken Jensen, Bob Jung.
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« Reply #6967 on: April 23, 2021, 01:48:33 PM »

Thanks! I just donít like the way the vocals are sung. I donít actually mind the lyrics that much. Maybe Iíll have another listen.
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« Reply #6968 on: April 23, 2021, 01:54:46 PM »

Alright Iíve changed my mind. I really dig this tune!
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« Reply #6969 on: April 23, 2021, 02:17:57 PM »

First of all, the song absolutely rules

Second, it's Lyle on bass and Jim Gordon on drums, plus a whopping 10 sax players. Somewhere in the vicinity of 4 baritones, 4 tenors, 2 altos. They are: Bill Perkins, Don Englert, Tom Scott, David Sherr, Jay Migliori, Bill Green, Jim Horn, Meyer Hirsch, Ken Jensen, Bob Jung.

Thank God I didn't buy that Alto sax for no reason.
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« Reply #6970 on: April 23, 2021, 03:34:20 PM »

Final question from me today? Who played on (Wouldnít It Be Nice To) Live Again? It sounds like Dennis on piano. I hear a moog, a Celeste (both simple), flutes (I think thatís Charles Lloyd), and some pretty complex bass and drums.

And before my curiosity gets the better of me, what about 4th of July? BTW the version on the box set sounds really bad itís not even funny. Worse than San Miguel & I Just Got My Pay. I love all three songs though.
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« Reply #6971 on: April 24, 2021, 09:39:39 AM »

Final question from me today? Who played on (Wouldnít It Be Nice To) Live Again? It sounds like Dennis on piano. I hear a moog, a Celeste (both simple), flutes (I think thatís Charles Lloyd), and some pretty complex bass and drums.

And before my curiosity gets the better of me, what about 4th of July? BTW the version on the box set sounds really bad itís not even funny. Worse than San Miguel & I Just Got My Pay. I love all three songs though.


Hmmm... so I reckon there isnít any information? Sad I havenít really seen or heard of anything yet.
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« Reply #6972 on: April 24, 2021, 10:03:35 AM »

Final question from me today? Who played on (Wouldnít It Be Nice To) Live Again? It sounds like Dennis on piano. I hear a moog, a Celeste (both simple), flutes (I think thatís Charles Lloyd), and some pretty complex bass and drums.

And before my curiosity gets the better of me, what about 4th of July? BTW the version on the box set sounds really bad itís not even funny. Worse than San Miguel & I Just Got My Pay. I love all three songs though.

For both of those, and lots of others from the era, keep an eye out for the next issue of ESQ which should be coming in the not too distant future.

Off the top of my head, Live Again was Dennis on piano, Carl on guitars, Daryl Dragon on bass, and Dennis Dragon on drums. Flutes were probably Kathy Dragon, and any other instrument you hear on there is a Moog.
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« Reply #6973 on: April 24, 2021, 10:20:05 AM »

Final question from me today? Who played on (Wouldnít It Be Nice To) Live Again? It sounds like Dennis on piano. I hear a moog, a Celeste (both simple), flutes (I think thatís Charles Lloyd), and some pretty complex bass and drums.

And before my curiosity gets the better of me, what about 4th of July? BTW the version on the box set sounds really bad itís not even funny. Worse than San Miguel & I Just Got My Pay. I love all three songs though.

For both of those, and lots of others from the era, keep an eye out for the next issue of ESQ which should be coming in the not too distant future.

Off the top of my head, Live Again was Dennis on piano, Carl on guitars, Daryl Dragon on bass, and Dennis Dragon on drums. Flutes were probably Kathy Dragon, and any other instrument you hear on there is a Moog.

For that matter, a lot of your questions are covered in various ESQ sessionographies over the years.  You'd do well to treat yourself to some back issues.
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« Reply #6974 on: April 24, 2021, 10:22:38 AM »

Final question from me today? Who played on (Wouldnít It Be Nice To) Live Again? It sounds like Dennis on piano. I hear a moog, a Celeste (both simple), flutes (I think thatís Charles Lloyd), and some pretty complex bass and drums.

And before my curiosity gets the better of me, what about 4th of July? BTW the version on the box set sounds really bad itís not even funny. Worse than San Miguel & I Just Got My Pay. I love all three songs though.

For both of those, and lots of others from the era, keep an eye out for the next issue of ESQ which should be coming in the not too distant future.

Off the top of my head, Live Again was Dennis on piano, Carl on guitars, Daryl Dragon on bass, and Dennis Dragon on drums. Flutes were probably Kathy Dragon, and any other instrument you hear on there is a Moog.

For that matter, a lot of your questions are covered in various ESQ sessionographies over the years.  You'd do well to treat yourself to some back issues.

I really should get a subscription. You can buy previous issues online correct?

EDIT: Now that was a stupid question. Forget I ever said that.
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