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« on: May 04, 2007, 03:48:44 PM »

i found a segment of music which was posted on youtube by a member of SmileySmile.   Smile-era Sound & Footage is the name of the video.  at one point in the video it goes into a section which is very Hawaiian sounding (apparently this was written by Carl and produced by Brian).  it comes in just after the 'Little Pad' refrain 'by the sea that's where i'll build a pad in hawaii'.  i have not been able to find the source of this piece of music.  does anyone know where i can find this to possibly download it? 
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2007, 06:04:27 PM »

Second that request. I never heard that piece until I saw that Youtube video. I love it. Don't have it. Say no more.
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2007, 08:38:45 PM »

I have it email me with your email and i will send it to you Smokin
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2007, 12:43:50 AM »

That's "Mona Kani", "Mono Kanau", or some variation on same - it's a Dennis/Stevie Kalinich track first recorded 11/15/68. Been doing the collector's rounds for a good few years.
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2007, 01:41:17 AM »

That's "Mona Kani", "Mono Kanau", or some variation on same - it's a Dennis/Stevie Kalinich track first recorded 11/15/68. Been doing the collector's rounds for a good few years.

Wait a moment. Isn't "Mona Kani" that instrumental on Get The Boot? What ShenzhenLost means is the "Tune X" instrumental, recorded in March 1967, available on Secret SMiLE CD 2.
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2007, 03:40:14 AM »

The song in the youtube video that he's asking about is "Mona Kani". Recorded when I said it was, and not  in 1967.  Because it's not "Tones" or "Tune X".
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2007, 04:01:31 AM »

Then what is "Tones" or "Tune X"? I had always thought it was that particular piece...  Huh
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2007, 04:07:14 AM »

From Lou Shenk's indispensable Smile Primer:


Tones/Tune X (C. Wilson)
Track recorded March 3, 1967 with 10 musicians at Sound Recorders.  Additional sessions held March 15 with 3 musicians at Western, March 31 (as Tune X) with 8 musicians at Sound Recorders, and April 11 (as Tones Part 3) with 5 musicians at Western.  Vocals recorded March 13 (5 vocalists) at Sound Recorders. 

Carl and Dennis each produced a track with studio musicians during the Smile sessions.  Whether this was a conscious effort to make the “late” Smile more of a group effort than a solo Brian project or if it was simply for them to test their own production mettle is unknown.  The project number for the track sent to Capitol was 31-5526 – Smile’s project number.  The mysterious Tune X (Tones) session has been confirmed to be Carl’s Tones
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2007, 04:53:37 AM »

Thanks very much Wiggbuggie.  i would really appreciate if you could help.  Thanks to everyone for their info on the piece of music. 
i've sent you an email Wiggbuggie.

thanks again to everyone!
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2007, 05:22:07 AM »

From Lou Shenk's indispensable Smile Primer:


Tones/Tune X (C. Wilson)
Track recorded March 3, 1967 with 10 musicians at Sound Recorders.  Additional sessions held March 15 with 3 musicians at Western, March 31 (as Tune X) with 8 musicians at Sound Recorders, and April 11 (as Tones Part 3) with 5 musicians at Western.  Vocals recorded March 13 (5 vocalists) at Sound Recorders. 

Carl and Dennis each produced a track with studio musicians during the Smile sessions.  Whether this was a conscious effort to make the “late” Smile more of a group effort than a solo Brian project or if it was simply for them to test their own production mettle is unknown.  The project number for the track sent to Capitol was 31-5526 – Smile’s project number.  The mysterious Tune X (Tones) session has been confirmed to be Carl’s Tones


Thanks a lot Andrew! Would you happen to know if Carl's "Tune X / Tones" has been b**ted somewhere?  Huh Because the only tracks labeled "Tones" or "Tune X" I've heard were either "Holidays" (what become "On A Holiday") or the piece heard on the YouTube video...
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2007, 07:02:59 AM »

The mysterious Tune X (Tones) session has been confirmed to be Carl’s Tones

In the past, there was some debate as to whether Tune X (Tones) was a Brian Wilson produced/involved track, or actually a Carl Wilson produced track. Andrew's above quote is the most definitive answer I've seen that it is Carl's track. His word is good enough for me. I'm removing Tune X (Tones) from my SMiLE mix immediately!  police
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2007, 07:08:15 AM »

The song in the youtube video that he's asking about is "Mona Kani". Recorded when I said it was, and not  in 1967.  Because it's not "Tones" or "Tune X".

Thanks for your answer, AGD.
Please don't take this personal, but...

Fact is, the song on Secret SMiLE was produced by Brian, since you can hear him talk from the control room.
What I hear are exactly the instruments that were used during the March 3, 1967 session (violas, violins, cellos, drums & guitars)
The songs on Secret SMiLE are ordered chronologically and this instrumental is there between "My Little Red Book" & April "Vegetables". (Ok, not the best proof).
and Alan Boyd allegedly confirmed that this song is indeed "Tones/Tune X" (info by Bicyclerider in another thread).

and what is the instrumental on Get The Boot then?
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2007, 07:29:05 AM »


Fact is, the song on Secret SMiLE was produced by Brian, since you can hear him talk from the control room.

Actually, it sounds exactly like Carl to me.  Listen again, and you might agree.
Anyway, I'm more interested in the OTHER music in that YouTube clip...what are those pieces that merge with "Worms"?  Sounds like the "Cabinessence" bouzouki backwards or something...will someone quickly satisfy my curiousity so I don't have to go digging through my "SMiLE" collection?  Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2007, 09:00:48 AM »

I think that might be the Ant Bee version of "Worms". Fooled a LOT of folk back in the day.
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2007, 09:07:59 AM »

The song in the youtube video that he's asking about is "Mona Kani". Recorded when I said it was, and not  in 1967.  Because it's not "Tones" or "Tune X".

Thanks for your answer, AGD.
Please don't take this personal, but...

Fact is, the song on Secret SMiLE was produced by Brian, since you can hear him talk from the control room.
What I hear are exactly the instruments that were used during the March 3, 1967 session (violas, violins, cellos, drums & guitars)
The songs on Secret SMiLE are ordered chronologically and this instrumental is there between "My Little Red Book" & April "Vegetables". (Ok, not the best proof).
and Alan Boyd allegedly confirmed that this song is indeed "Tones/Tune X" (info by Bicyclerider in another thread).

and what is the instrumental on Get The Boot then?

Not entirely sure what you're saying here, so I'll reiterate - the song in the YouTube video, which the original question was about, is a Dennis Wilson/Steve Kalinich composition called "Mona Kani", "Mono Kanau" or some such, and it was first recorded November 15th 1968, produced by Dennis. The song in the video is not "Tones", or "Tune X (Tones)" or "Tones (pt. 3)", all of which are Carl Wilson compositions & productions recorded well over a year earlier.

Or to be even more concise - "Tones" is not "Mona Kani", even when a bootlegger lists it as such.
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2007, 07:49:31 PM »

Not to confuse this issue more, but I have heard a piece of music that begins with about a minute and a half of what sounds like a string quartet playing a very Smile-ish theme, then continues with the music heard in the youtube video.  What is this??
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2007, 10:04:31 PM »

Is everyone here talking about the same video?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qu7G67A2H28

The piece of music that starts at about 1:23 is the same song as on Secret Smile cd 2, where it's labeled as "Tune X."  The first 2 minutes of that song (on SS) is strings and the last minute has the steel guitar overdub (this is what's in the video, with some odd sound effects added over it). It also has what sounds like Carl talking at the end.

Track 7 on Get The Boot is the song that's gone around for years under the name "Mona Kani" (strings and lots of horns, especially on the tag).

If the youtube song is Mona Kani, then what is the song on Get the Boot??? And does that mean Tune X is still unbooted??

I'm very confused  Huh Huh

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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2007, 11:22:23 PM »

"The piece of music that starts at about 1:23 is the same song as on Secret Smile cd 2, where it's labeled as "Tune X."  The first 2 minutes of that song (on SS) is strings and the last minute has the steel guitar overdub (this is what's in the video, with some odd sound effects added over it)."

Yup, this the piece of music that I have.  What the heck is this thing?
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2007, 08:25:05 AM »

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Track 7 on Get The Boot is the song that's gone around for years under the name "Mona Kani" (strings and lots of horns, especially on the tag).

If the youtube song is Mona Kani, then what is the song on Get the Boot??? And does that mean Tune X is still unbooted??

I'm very confused  Huh Huh



My thoughts exactly.  Smiley But AGD said that the track heard in the video could be a variation on Mona Kani. So the track on Get The Boot could be Mona Kani, and this could be a variation on it. Still, I'm confused. I had always thought that the track heard in the video was Tune X / Tones. If it isn't, has the real Tune X / Tones been b**ted somewhere?
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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2007, 09:46:45 AM »

"The piece of music that starts at about 1:23 is the same song as on Secret Smile cd 2, where it's labeled as "Tune X."  The first 2 minutes of that song (on SS) is strings and the last minute has the steel guitar overdub (this is what's in the video, with some odd sound effects added over it)."

Yup, this the piece of music that I have.  What the heck is this thing?

Ergo, the song is mistitled on the boot. Like I've been saying for the last nine million years.  Tongue
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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2007, 09:52:39 AM »

But AGD said that the track heard in the video could be a variation on Mona Kani. So the track on Get The Boot could be Mona Kani, and this could be a variation on it. Still, I'm confused. I had always thought that the track heard in the video was Tune X / Tones. If it isn't, has the real Tune X / Tones been b**ted somewhere?
No, no, no, no. No. What I said was that the song is known as "Mona Kani", "Mono Kanau" or some variation on that title. There is, to my knowledge, just the one version doing the rounds (although there is also an early version that I've clapped ears on). I'm possibly wrong here, but the real "Tones/Tune X" hasn't been booted yet.

There were lyrics written, btw, and hopefully they were just a scratch set. Because they're plenty dumb.  Think "Scrambled Eggs"
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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2007, 10:18:22 AM »

So what the heck is the "Mona Kani" that's on Get the Boot?  Huh
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2007, 10:46:34 AM »

The song thats playing at 1:23 in the you tube video posted is NOT Mona Kani. The song that you're referring to Black Tiger on the Get the Boot disc is in fact Mona Kani. The song thats played at 1:23 is labelled as Tones on another boot. There are like 4 tracks of it. It certainly sounds like Carl running the show.
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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2007, 12:31:47 PM »

But AGD said that the track heard in the video could be a variation on Mona Kani. So the track on Get The Boot could be Mona Kani, and this could be a variation on it. Still, I'm confused. I had always thought that the track heard in the video was Tune X / Tones. If it isn't, has the real Tune X / Tones been b**ted somewhere?
No, no, no, no. No. What I said was that the song is known as "Mona Kani", "Mono Kanau" or some variation on that title. There is, to my knowledge, just the one version doing the rounds (although there is also an early version that I've clapped ears on). I'm possibly wrong here, but the real "Tones/Tune X" hasn't been booted yet.

There were lyrics written, btw, and hopefully they were just a scratch set. Because they're plenty dumb.  Think "Scrambled Eggs"

Oh okay, sorry. Obviously there's been some misunderstanding...  Embarrassed Thanks for answering!  Smiley But then... What is the track labeled as "Mona Kani" on Get The Boot?  Huh
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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2007, 01:16:29 PM »

i think that is tones or tuneX on the vid, I have Mona Kani on one bootleg (Beach Boys get the boot vol 1 and 2) and the song doesnt sound like the one on the vid...
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