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« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2020, 02:34:32 PM »

I agree there. A song like ‘Getcha Back’ (which I hate) does have lyrics that aren’t really all that bad, whereas the things Mike wrote on SIP is beyond juvenile and embarrassingly bad. Wowzers. The missing ingredient: Brian Wilson.

@ SMiLE Brian, I’d bet the song that Mike and OSD would write together would be a hammy ‘Good Vibrations’ retread with Mike growling about pickin’ up bad vibrations from his writing partner and saying a prayer to Gita or something. By crackie, that sounds like a million and two seller.
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« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2020, 02:52:03 PM »

Presumably no-one he works with can say, Mike, that's a really bad lyric, you need to come up with something better.

Maybe if they finally gets in a room together, Brian can tell him  Grin

He seems to have a formula in mind with this kind of song and tries to hit each part of that formula no matter how awkward it makes the lyric.

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« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2020, 04:24:41 PM »

My husband pointed out that the "fun fun fun" part kind of sounds like the Sunrays' I Live for the Sun. 
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« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2020, 04:37:31 PM »

I really think Mike is fixated on appealing to the lowest common denominator audience. And he's consciously writing lyrics that even the least sophisticated folks in the deep cuts parts of the country could understand. It feels like that's his first priority, over everything else, which is his biggest mistake and what killed him as an artist. That literally seems like his modus operandi; write words that are so literal and on the nose, where there can be no ambiguity or misinterpretation in the listeners' minds.

Maybe this is his gross overreaction to "the crow cries uncover the cornfield", where Mike descended into songwriting craft that could be understood by a little kid. Or that could be written by a little kid. It's as if Mike despised "acid alliteration" soooooo very, very, very much, that he decided to evolve to we have today.

On the other hand, maybe it's just sucky and embarrassing because he's a completely out of touch guy who's been famous and rich way too long.

A friend of mine told me that he can't imagine if a parody version of this song were made how it would be any different from the song itself.
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« Reply #54 on: May 02, 2020, 05:00:43 PM »

Mike needs to collaborate with OSD on his next song! Evil

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« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2020, 05:20:22 PM »

I think after Endless Summer he got lazy in every way except actually touring. His vocals immediately declined around this time and seemed like he was intentionally trying to sound as nasal as possible. As far as his writing over the years he just got out of practice. I think he’s trying a bit but this is all he’s got left.
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« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2020, 07:21:28 PM »

Mike needs to collaborate with OSD on his next song! Evil
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« Reply #57 on: May 02, 2020, 08:28:11 PM »

Cheers to Mike for contributing to a great cause....Song-wise, maybe he should've co-wrote with Ringo Starr and maybe between them they could've come up with something that musically would be good enough for an 'unavailable on LP" B-side of a single that only came out in Portugal.
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« Reply #58 on: May 02, 2020, 08:44:07 PM »

There are two people I am aware of that really bring out the fury, the unmitigated hatred in people, because of their public actions. Mike Love is one; Pete Rose is the other. Maybe the two of them should get together.
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« Reply #59 on: May 02, 2020, 09:15:34 PM »

I’m both a massive Beach Boys fan and baseball fan and Mike and Pete are difficult figures in both. Mike deserves to be lauded for some of his good work, but raked over the coals for so many things he’s said and done. Pete is one of the best players the game had ever seen, but his actions damaged his reputation beyond repair. In Beach Boys world, only Landy is more difficult. He saved Brian’s life, then went to work full time 24/7 to destroy it.

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« Reply #60 on: May 03, 2020, 01:29:45 AM »

This is the worst thing I have ever heard.
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« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2020, 01:04:10 PM »

This is the worst thing I have ever heard.
I'm sure that's the reaction Mike expects from a good percentage of BB's fans.
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« Reply #62 on: May 03, 2020, 01:32:34 PM »

This is the worst thing I have ever heard.
I'm sure that's the reaction Mike expects from a good percentage of BB's fans.
Anyone who would release garbage like this cannot be in possession of their marbles. Shocked
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« Reply #63 on: May 03, 2020, 01:56:54 PM »

What the hell, I’ll play devil’s advocate: what about ‘Smart Girls’, OSD? What about the more lamented tracks on Gettin’ In Over My Head? Was Brian losing his marbles when he wrote these? Mike hasn’t gone full dementia just because he recorded something (for charity) that is hazardous to listen to. Mike just doesn’t have the awesome capability that Brian has to bring a good song into being, and even a lot of those are labored. And even some of those don’t turn out all that good, as per my examples above. There’s a limit to hating on Mike, OSD, and you’re getting there quick.

I’m gonna go wash my hands, partly because, well, we all should, and partly because I just defended Mike “Let’s shoot harmless animals for fun with the president’s brain dead son” Love. Ick.
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« Reply #64 on: May 03, 2020, 04:25:05 PM »

^ I agree
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« Reply #65 on: May 03, 2020, 04:35:57 PM »

What the hell, I’ll play devil’s advocate: what about ‘Smart Girls’, OSD? What about the more lamented tracks on Gettin’ In Over My Head? Was Brian losing his marbles when he wrote these? Mike hasn’t gone full dementia just because he recorded something (for charity) that is hazardous to listen to. Mike just doesn’t have the awesome capability that Brian has to bring a good song into being, and even a lot of those are labored. And even some of those don’t turn out all that good, as per my examples above. There’s a limit to hating on Mike, OSD, and you’re getting there quick.

I’m gonna go wash my hands, partly because, well, we all should, and partly because I just defended Mike “Let’s shoot harmless animals for fun with the president’s brain dead son” Love. Ick.

Didn't Brian write Smart Girls during just such a time, when he was not doing well mentally?
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« Reply #66 on: May 03, 2020, 05:15:16 PM »

What the hell, I’ll play devil’s advocate: what about ‘Smart Girls’, OSD? What about the more lamented tracks on Gettin’ In Over My Head? Was Brian losing his marbles when he wrote these? Mike hasn’t gone full dementia just because he recorded something (for charity) that is hazardous to listen to. Mike just doesn’t have the awesome capability that Brian has to bring a good song into being, and even a lot of those are labored. And even some of those don’t turn out all that good, as per my examples above. There’s a limit to hating on Mike, OSD, and you’re getting there quick.

I’m gonna go wash my hands, partly because, well, we all should, and partly because I just defended Mike “Let’s shoot harmless animals for fun with the president’s brain dead son” Love. Ick.

Didn't Brian write Smart Girls during just such a time, when he was not doing well mentally?

Yes, but not dementia as OSD said. Maybe I should’ve said ‘Hey Little Tomboy’, a wretched song that has too many fans.
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« Reply #67 on: May 04, 2020, 01:34:04 AM »

Good intentions notwithstanding, this is awful even by Mike Love solo standards.
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« Reply #68 on: May 04, 2020, 10:17:00 AM »

Mike is at least consistent in his musical stylings, if wholly unremarkable.  This one sounds more or less like the other music he's put out in recent years.  Very clunky and forgettable.
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« Reply #69 on: May 04, 2020, 03:05:26 PM »

One of the YouTube comments mentioned one of the first things I thought when the song started: It sounds like one of those pre-programmed songs on a portable Casio keyboard from the 80s.

It also kinda sounds like this:

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« Reply #70 on: May 04, 2020, 07:35:15 PM »

Honestly, most of Mike's music is not very good. There are some gems here and there, though.

Having said that, I do think its insane the amount of hate that he immediately receives for everything he puts out.

Mike, at his absolute best, has never been a Brian Wilson-level talent. I think sometimes people forget that.

And, even if he were, we can't expect top-tier material every time something gets released. For nostalgia reasons, I do love Gettin' In Over My Head, but comparatively, it is not a very good album. And, a real missed opportunity where Paul McCartney is concerned. For that matter, a lot of Paul McCartney's own music is a missed opportunity as far as Paul McCartney is concerned! Haha.

Its just meant to be a fun, harmless, pick-me-up charity single, nothing grand.
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« Reply #71 on: May 04, 2020, 09:21:35 PM »

I can only speak for myself, but I don't hate ML.  Have never met the man. I've never met any of the Beach Boys. And though I've been to their concerts, I have no interest in meeting them for the same reason I'm not interested in boycotts or in worrying about whether the political preferences of the group's members align with my own.  I'm a huge fan of the music, not the personalities (though I suppose one could make argument that Brian Wilson's personality and his music are to some extent the same thing).  

In covid19 boredom, I recently read ML's autobiography.  I'll say, I enjoyed a lot of the book and found his perspective on BB history interesting (though unsurprisingly self-serving in places).  He offered a number of insights that I haven't read elsewhere, such as that his mother (Murry's sister) considered the most musically gifted person she ever met to be.... Audree Wilson.  Also, a lot of BB history was affected by (and can be explained by) the fact that Mike and Brian WERE very close as teens.  Mike even brought Brian as a guest on the Dorsey High senior trip to Catalina Island.

So, no, I don't hate ML.  This covid19 song, though?  Just  an embarrassingly bad effort, in my opinion.  I get the perspective that it's just a jokey little ditty cranked out in day or two, and not intended as high art but rather as nothing more than a fun, humorous diversion during a difficult time.  And that's fine.  It's not my kind of humor, though. And musically and lyrically, I found it a painful listen.
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« Reply #72 on: May 05, 2020, 03:05:48 AM »

Honestly, most of Mike's music is not very good. There are some gems here and there, though.

Having said that, I do think its insane the amount of hate that he immediately receives for everything he puts out.

Mike, at his absolute best, has never been a Brian Wilson-level talent. I think sometimes people forget that.

And, even if he were, we can't expect top-tier material every time something gets released. For nostalgia reasons, I do love Gettin' In Over My Head, but comparatively, it is not a very good album. And, a real missed opportunity where Paul McCartney is concerned. For that matter, a lot of Paul McCartney's own music is a missed opportunity as far as Paul McCartney is concerned! Haha.

Its just meant to be a fun, harmless, pick-me-up charity single, nothing grand.





I guess some people read too much into other persons' critique of this song. It is bad, plain and simple. I am not a famous musician, have not written a hit or have any of my music released, and certainly I'm not the best songwriter in the world. And I would be ashamed if I came up with this. The charity aspect is a nice idea, sure, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the song itself. If the song's release would cure aids, it still would be a terribly bad tune. Got nothing to do with who wrote it or why he/she wrote it.

GIOMH is actually a strong album from a songwriting perspective. The songs on it range from good to great. The problem with the album is Brian's lackluster performance on at least half of the songs. Take "Rainbow eyes" - what a beautiful song, completely destroyed by the vocals and production. "Make a wish" could've been a nice rocking tune, but here as well, Brian's wall-of-Brian-vocals are unimaginative and boring. Not all songs are masterpieces, "You've touched me", "A friend like you", "The waltz" are album filler material, but still have a certain amount of quality. But from the point songwriting this could be the most versatile album of his solo career and a very strong one. Performance and production make it unfortunately a "could-have-been". The strong cuts on here show some of the potential.
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« Reply #73 on: May 05, 2020, 04:20:21 AM »

Mike, at his absolute best, has never been a Brian Wilson-level talent. I think sometimes people forget that.

The issue isn’t that Mike is putting out music that isn’t up to Brian Wilson standards: it’s that Mike Love is putting out music that isn’t even up to HIS own supposed standards.

Mike Love had the nerve to childishly take jabs at Brian Wilson’s modern songwriting, while going on to record stuff like this. While Brian was publicly lambasted by Mike for the POSSIBILITY of using autotune, Mike went on to seemingly buy every autotune plug-in in existence, string them together like Christmas lights at the Griswold residence, and proceed to release songs that sound like they were mixed inside of a speak-and-spell.

If Mike really wants to raise some $$$ for charity, how about calling Brian up, record a song virtually with the rest of the group, and release it exclusively on iTunes?

All of that said, I’m happy that Mike is recording. While I don’t listen to his music, I give him credit for trying. I wish that Brian would get back into the studio with this much zeal.
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« Reply #74 on: May 05, 2020, 06:23:02 AM »

Honestly, most of Mike's music is not very good. There are some gems here and there, though.

Having said that, I do think its insane the amount of hate that he immediately receives for everything he puts out.

Mike, at his absolute best, has never been a Brian Wilson-level talent. I think sometimes people forget that.

And, even if he were, we can't expect top-tier material every time something gets released. For nostalgia reasons, I do love Gettin' In Over My Head, but comparatively, it is not a very good album. And, a real missed opportunity where Paul McCartney is concerned. For that matter, a lot of Paul McCartney's own music is a missed opportunity as far as Paul McCartney is concerned! Haha.

Its just meant to be a fun, harmless, pick-me-up charity single, nothing grand.





I guess some people read too much into other persons' critique of this song. It is bad, plain and simple. I am not a famous musician, have not written a hit or have any of my music released, and certainly I'm not the best songwriter in the world. And I would be ashamed if I came up with this. The charity aspect is a nice idea, sure, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the song itself. If the song's release would cure aids, it still would be a terribly bad tune. Got nothing to do with who wrote it or why he/she wrote it.

I totally agree with you. Add to that my lamenting that Mike was once a good lyric writer but for the last few decades or more, his lyrics have been truly heinous.

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GIOMH is actually a strong album from a songwriting perspective. The songs on it range from good to great. The problem with the album is Brian's lackluster performance on at least half of the songs. Take "Rainbow eyes" - what a beautiful song, completely destroyed by the vocals and production. "Make a wish" could've been a nice rocking tune, but here as well, Brian's wall-of-Brian-vocals are unimaginative and boring. Not all songs are masterpieces, "You've touched me", "A friend like you", "The waltz" are album filler material, but still have a certain amount of quality. But from the point songwriting this could be the most versatile album of his solo career and a very strong one. Performance and production make it unfortunately a "could-have-been". The strong cuts on here show some of the potential.

I was largely disappointed with GIOMH though I suspect part of that was it being released so close to the feverishly awaited and massively adored BWPS. There are things on it that I do like, but overall I found it undercooked. Add to that, a bit too many guest appearances, though not as bad as on NPP, which made it feel less like a solo Brian Wilson album.
I don’t know. It’s been a long time since I’ve sat down and listened to GIOMH. I ought to go back. I should stop expecting a TLOS (my favorite Brian solo album, and yes, even over BWPS. I feel more of the spirit of Brian today. It’s just beautiful) from him every time.
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