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« Reply #425 on: February 07, 2020, 10:41:31 AM »

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« Reply #426 on: February 07, 2020, 10:50:05 AM »

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« Reply #427 on: February 07, 2020, 10:55:53 AM »


You haven't heard? Nothing can tarnish the legacy!

Nothing can tarnish the legacy, and nothing can change the fact that Mike has solidified his villain status for all times. Almost like he was aiming for that. I don't doubt one day there will be a movie that will objectively and accurately portray him as the Salieri that his has repeatedly proven himself to tragically be.

I swear... it could have been different. So different. Just since 2012 alone... It's remarkable, how blessed a life Mike has had, to have not only been blessed to be in such a great band, but to have a long and healthy life, and to have squandered those years doing vile and shameful sh*t like this.
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« Reply #428 on: February 07, 2020, 11:52:12 AM »

Before 2012 he was mainly looked at as lame by the general public. Not the worst thing in the world. Post 2012, and going forward though having seen the worst of him, well, this may really prove damaging. As said above, it’s a shame this didn’t happen earlier
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« Reply #429 on: February 07, 2020, 12:50:23 PM »

Before 2012 he was mainly looked at as lame by the general public. Not the worst thing in the world. Post 2012, and going forward though having seen the worst of him, well, this may really prove damaging. As said above, it’s a shame this didn’t happen earlier
Anecdotal experience: I'm a younger fan, born in 1984, and grew up hearing disparaging remarks in regards to Mike Love. My mom told me she always thought he was a creep. A show I was at around 2010 had the bamd singing the chorus of Good Vibrations adlibbing the lyrics to "Mike Love is a piece of sh*t", Belle and Sebastian has a song naming all the Beach Boys they love, emphasizing "I can even find it in my heart to love Mike Love."
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« Reply #430 on: February 07, 2020, 01:42:33 PM »

I’ve always tried to give Mike the benefit of the doubt.  I was well-aware of the lawsuits, the HOF speech, the multiple ex-wives, the endless interviews about the dangers of drug use, the unceremonious end to C50, the generally embarrassing stage presence, questionable decisions…I don’t need to go on.  Over it all I tried to focus on his contributions to the music, which I still think are significant.  His lead vocals on a lot of the early stuff, as well as his backing vocals and harmony on a massive amount of BB material, are an intrinsic part of the music.  Sometimes I’ll be caught off-guard and think “man!  His voice just sounds so good!” (the California Girls track on Sunshine Tomorrow/Leid in Hawaii being a prime example).  Beyond the music, I wanted to believe that beneath all the crap, he really loved Brian.  And I clung to his environmentalism as evidence that somewhere under the baseball caps and gold rings lurked a decent person. 

I don’t think so anymore.  The SCI gig was bad enough, but not responding to DT Jr.'s attack on Brian is truly unbelievable.   

   
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« Reply #431 on: February 07, 2020, 02:07:31 PM »

Before 2012 he was mainly looked at as lame by the general public. Not the worst thing in the world. Post 2012, and going forward though having seen the worst of him, well, this may really prove damaging. As said above, it’s a shame this didn’t happen earlier
Anecdotal experience: I'm a younger fan, born in 1984, and grew up hearing disparaging remarks in regards to Mike Love. My mom told me she always thought he was a creep. A show I was at around 2010 had the bamd singing the chorus of Good Vibrations adlibbing the lyrics to "Mike Love is a piece of sh*t", Belle and Sebastian has a song naming all the Beach Boys they love, emphasizing "I can even find it in my heart to love Mike Love."

I’m 6 years older than you ; most of my friends either thought Mike was an asshole or knew nothing about The Beach Boys aside from being a bunch of “lamers” (I literally forgot that was the word used until just now) who popped up on equally lame shows like Full House and Home Improvement

Scary thought...If I’d realized back then who’d played Mr Hawthorne on the New Leave it to Beaver, I’d never gotten into Brian’s music which means i likely wouldn’t be alive to even be typing this sentence. Yikes.
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« Reply #432 on: February 07, 2020, 02:40:16 PM »

Scary thought...If I’d realized back then who’d played Mr Hawthorne on the New Leave it to Beaver, I’d never gotten into Brian’s music which means i likely wouldn’t be alive to even be typing this sentence. Yikes.
Ha. I had to look that up. The Beach Boys' frequent appearances on Full House is what kept me away from them for a long time. Thankfully some people who I respected steered me in the right direction with their music.
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« Reply #433 on: February 07, 2020, 03:00:50 PM »

Not to get too personal but I went through an extremely bad depression during my junior year and ended up seeing a therapist. He had a copy of Wouldn’t it be Nice on his bookshelf. I asked about it it, and I ended up checking it out from the library. That was my entry to fandom . Bought Brian’s first album for 99 cents on tape at Blockbuster music and Smiley Smile and Wild Honey on cd. Not too long after, the I just wasn’t made for these times vhs and cd, pet sounds not too long after. 25 years later, here I am .

For the record the guy turned out to be a bit of a creep. It’s no wonder why it seemed like he identified with Landy!
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« Reply #434 on: February 07, 2020, 03:40:01 PM »

Can this please not become a "we hate Mike Love" board

It's not news that Mike does bullshit things but he's a massive part of the reason we are all here and has given us an endless amount of incrdible songs to listen to.

These guys are getting on,  let's appreciate them all while they are around. Nothing wrong with critiscing but it's getting a little personal.
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« Reply #435 on: February 07, 2020, 03:59:21 PM »

Strictly speaking I don’t hate him but I’m angry as hell.
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« Reply #436 on: February 07, 2020, 04:13:25 PM »

Can this please not become a "we hate Mike Love" board

It's not news that Mike does bullshit things but he's a massive part of the reason we are all here and has given us an endless amount of incrdible songs to listen to.

These guys are getting on,  let's appreciate them all while they are around. Nothing wrong with critiscing but it's getting a little personal.

Totally get what you're saying, but all I want to do is to be able to listen to the classic recordings of my favorite band without thinking about the actual reality that the guy singing on the songs promotes killing animals for fun, and is fine with a massively powerful person in the United States publicly humiliating his family member and bandmate, with a power imbalance to end all power imbalances in the mix too. Like Billy said, I'm angry as hell.

And I'm gonna forever have a hard time doing that. If you have any suggestions on how to simply block out those factual pieces of information, I'm all ears. Truthfully. I want to not know this stuff. I want to be oblivious.

I'm especially gonna have a hard time listening to the song Pacific Ocean Blue; the actual album it's on, this wonderful personal Pet Sounds-level heartfelt album by Dennis Wilson, is named after that song, with lyrics that are essentially meaningless now. So yeah, it's tainted even that. It's a huge, huge bummer, man. Dennis should reach down from heaven and punch Mike in the face for shitting on his album.  

I realize I and many others are a broken record about it, but it really hurts. Mike should be stuck in an elevator and forced to a Q&A and answer to this awful hypocrisy, because that's the only way it'd ever happen. Considering his media blackout, he'll probably make it part of any contract for all future reviews in perpetuity that no questions about this show or Don Jr. can ever be asked of him.
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« Reply #437 on: February 07, 2020, 06:46:50 PM »

Just as a matter of interest, take a read from Mikes own book about the Rio summit in 1992, specifically the Beach Boys donation of $100K to the charity ‘Eyewitness for the Earth’. I hope next time he does an interview he is challenged on being the hypocrite he has become.

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=3KLiDAAAQBAJ&pg=PT297&lpg=PT297&dq=mike+love+rio+summit&source=bl&ots=jQMRgadBpW&sig=ACfU3U3_GIY09kugF8unszIOta6UOeMdjw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiShOfv9cDnAhXnwjgGHZ3dCxIQ6AEwCnoECAIQAQ#v=onepage&q=mike%20love%20rio%20summit&f=false
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« Reply #438 on: February 07, 2020, 10:04:20 PM »

unsurprisingly, the story made the Colbert show. yippee

jump to 10:30 for the goods:
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« Reply #439 on: February 08, 2020, 09:51:51 AM »

David Crosby retweeted one of the articles about the performance and Brian's statement (this was Feb 4 but I don't check Twitter every day). Probably needless to say that he praised Brian for taking a stand and had some choice words for Mike.
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« Reply #440 on: February 08, 2020, 10:02:52 AM »

David Crosby retweeted one of the articles about the performance and Brian's statement (this was Feb 4 but I don't check Twitter every day). Probably needless to say that he praised Brian for taking a stand and had some choice words for Mike.

https://twitter.com/thedavidcrosby/status/1224867919089168385
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« Reply #441 on: February 08, 2020, 10:43:13 AM »

Update on the "change.org" bait and switch: Nothing has been done - The petition signed by Beach Boys fans now has their signatures on a petition addressed to Boris Johnson concerning UK law, and is still up and running as if nothing happened.

That will be the last "Change.org" petition I ever deal with, if they allow signatures given for one issue to be applied and transferred at will by the petition starter to another cause.
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« Reply #442 on: February 08, 2020, 01:28:42 PM »

After last night's Colbert show, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop on SNL tonight (new episode).
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« Reply #443 on: February 08, 2020, 02:04:11 PM »

Can this please not become a "we hate Mike Love" board

It's not news that Mike does bullshit things but he's a massive part of the reason we are all here and has given us an endless amount of incrdible songs to listen to.

These guys are getting on,  let's appreciate them all while they are around. Nothing wrong with critiscing but it's getting a little personal.

Totally get what you're saying, but all I want to do is to be able to listen to the classic recordings of my favorite band without thinking about the actual reality that the guy singing on the songs promotes killing animals for fun, and is fine with a massively powerful person in the United States publicly humiliating his family member and bandmate, with a power imbalance to end all power imbalances in the mix too. Like Billy said, I'm angry as hell.

And I'm gonna forever have a hard time doing that. If you have any suggestions on how to simply block out those factual pieces of information, I'm all ears. Truthfully. I want to not know this stuff. I want to be oblivious.

For reals, I'm especially gonna have a hard time listening to the song Pacific Ocean Blue, and of course the actual album it's on, this wonderful personal Pet Sounds-level heartfelt album by Dennis Wilson, is named after that song, with lyrics that are essentially meaningless now. So yeah, it's tainted even that. It's a huge, huge bummer, man. Dennis should reach down from heaven and punch Mike in the face for shitting on his album.  

I realize I and many others are a broken record about it, but it really hurts. Mike should be stuck in an elevator and forced to a Q&A and answer to this awful hypocrisy, because that's the only way it'd ever happen. Considering his media blackout, he'll probably make it part of any contract for all future reviews in perpetuity that no questions about this show or Don Jr. can ever be asked of him.


I'm sorta surprised this classic photo hasn't been repurposed yet. https://images.app.goo.gl/JXRYkdRFA9rPNF297


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« Reply #444 on: February 08, 2020, 04:33:39 PM »

unsurprisingly, the story made the Colbert show. yippee

jump to 10:30 for the goods:
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Completely out of context

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« Reply #445 on: February 09, 2020, 08:04:22 AM »

Maybe I’m late, but has anybody else read ESQ’s response to this?
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« Reply #446 on: February 09, 2020, 08:39:03 AM »

Maybe I’m late, but has anybody else read ESQ’s response to this?

I just read it.  "Why did we choose to hurt the Beach Boys?"

The writer's conclusion is that the fans are to blame for hurting the Beach Boys rather than Mike Love's poor decision.

How about "Why did the holder of the Beach Boys license choose to hurt the Beach Boys?"

Sounds like stockholm syndrome.


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« Reply #447 on: February 09, 2020, 09:11:54 AM »

Maybe I’m late, but has anybody else read ESQ’s response to this?

I just read it.  "Why did we choose to hurt the Beach Boys?"

The writer's conclusion is that the fans are to blame for hurting the Beach Boys rather than Mike Love's poor decision.

How about "Why did the holder of the Beach Boys license choose to hurt the Beach Boys?"

Sounds like stockholm syndrome.




Remarkable how the article fails to address Mike's silence, inaction, and effective approval of Don Jr. attempting to publicly humiliate and bully Brian. The article acts as if that just never happened.

Because there's really no way to defend that at all. So better to just ignore it and pretend that didn't actually happen.

Well, it happened. And there's no defending Mike's inaction on that.

It is perfectly fair for fans to value ethics and decency, and to expect a modicum of them from musicians we support financially. If there's anything that fans should be united about, it's that Don Jr. acted like a despicable POS, and that burden does fall on Mike to make a peep about that, because it's all pertaining to the situation that he himself started. Implying that Mike's silence is perfectly OK is a ridiculous position to take.
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« Reply #448 on: February 09, 2020, 09:16:02 AM »

Maybe I’m late, but has anybody else read ESQ’s response to this?

I just read it.  "Why did we choose to hurt the Beach Boys?"

The writer's conclusion is that the fans are to blame for hurting the Beach Boys rather than Mike Love's poor decision.

How about "Why did the holder of the Beach Boys license choose to hurt the Beach Boys?"


And not sure why the writer chose to bring Dennis Wilson into it (the fact that he hunted.) The man died nearly 40 years ago.



Sounds like stockholm syndrome.




Remarkable how the article fails to address Mike's silence, inaction, and effective approval of Don Jr. attempting to publicly humiliate and bully Brian. The article acts as if that just never happened.

Because there's really no way to defend that at all. So better to just ignore it and pretend that didn't actually happen.

Well, it happened. And there's no defending Mike's inaction on that.
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« Reply #449 on: February 09, 2020, 09:17:00 AM »


And not sure why the writer chose to bring Dennis Wilson into it (the fact that he hunted.) The man died nearly 40 years ago.
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