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« Reply #3300 on: May 25, 2021, 07:24:25 PM »

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You also have to remember that some of the band members were wary of David Leaf going all the way back to the 80s when Leaf released his book. Leaf's approach to writing about the band was not exactly always extra sympathetic to the other band members. So when Leaf's liners on the PS set were unavoidable also very Brian-centric, it's not surprising it might have put some band members off. As I've mentioned before, note that while the PS set came out, Leaf never again wrote liner notes for a BRI-sanctioned Beach Boys release.

Hmmm, Has there ever been such a thing as “bootleg liner notes”?

As in, did Leaf’s Liner notes ever leak out to the underground? I would love to read them!

They're the notes in the box. IIRC, after various parties vented a bit, they compromised by adding Mike's introduction. Nothing else was changed, and David's notes were used.
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« Reply #3301 on: May 25, 2021, 08:09:55 PM »

I've never understood this whole phenomenon of pre-ordering. Is there some reason that's better than just trotting down to the record store on release day? Is there some danger all the copies will sell out the first day?
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« Reply #3302 on: May 25, 2021, 10:52:58 PM »

Not every store in the world will order every release, especially box sets.
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« Reply #3303 on: May 26, 2021, 02:02:15 AM »

It's also a psychological thing. Pre-ordering gives me a sense of agency. When you've waited nigh on two years for something, pre ordering gives one a feeling akin to walking in the shop and purchasing it.

Like a lot of others, I've experienced some pretty horrific family traumas related to the pandemic. Pre ordering that box is going to put a smile on my face, however briefly. Chase those good feelings when you can.
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« Reply #3304 on: May 26, 2021, 04:27:37 AM »

I like to pre-order from Amazon because I can pay off the order before it ships, instead of having it charge to my card at an inconvenient time. Kind of like layaway.
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« Reply #3305 on: May 26, 2021, 07:07:24 AM »

I've never understood this whole phenomenon of pre-ordering. Is there some reason that's better than just trotting down to the record store on release day? Is there some danger all the copies will sell out the first day?

Pre-ordering online is a necessity for most if they want it on release date. There is no record store to trot down to anymore for many if not most folks. They don't exist anymore for many folks, unless they want to drive long distances to the few indies that survive. Big box retailers aren't going to carry most stuff.

What I don't understand is the need to pre-order things *far* in advance. Other than locking in a good price if it goes up initially for pre-orders at a low price, there's no need to pre-order things *months* in advance rather than days or a few weeks.

Or rather, a better way to put it is, pre-ordering once it's available to pre-order makes sense. What we don't *need* is for something to be *made available* for pre-orders months and months in advance. In other words, this process is, should be, and will be easy: Whenever it's available for pre-order, have at it and pre-order. I just don't need to do so faster than whenever the label and retailers make it available.
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« Reply #3306 on: May 26, 2021, 10:05:06 AM »

Is there some reason that's better than just trotting down to the record store on release day? Is there some danger all the copies will sell out the first day?

As stated above, this also implies that you actually have a local physical record store. The closest one to me that might actually carry it is 40+ miles away.
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« Reply #3307 on: May 26, 2021, 10:38:17 AM »

You also get to get an idea of the popularity of the product from pre-orders. The actual item being in the top 100 on amazon is promotion in its self.

The price guarantee is great for us.

There is a lot of benefits to getting the word out as soon as possible.

But that's just me
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« Reply #3308 on: May 26, 2021, 10:45:46 AM »

I've never understood this whole phenomenon of pre-ordering. Is there some reason that's better than just trotting down to the record store on release day? Is there some danger all the copies will sell out the first day?

Pre-ordering online is a necessity for most if they want it on release date. There is no record store to trot down to anymore for many if not most folks. They don't exist anymore for many folks, unless they want to drive long distances to the few indies that survive. Big box retailers aren't going to carry most stuff.

What I don't understand is the need to pre-order things *far* in advance. Other than locking in a good price if it goes up initially for pre-orders at a low price, there's no need to pre-order things *months* in advance rather than days or a few weeks.

Or rather, a better way to put it is, pre-ordering once it's available to pre-order makes sense. What we don't *need* is for something to be *made available* for pre-orders months and months in advance. In other words, this process is, should be, and will be easy: Whenever it's available for pre-order, have at it and pre-order. I just don't need to do so faster than whenever the label and retailers make it available.

I guess some of it may be that some items (unlike FF, presumably?) are made in limited quantities, and it may just be a generalized overreaction to want to make sure the item they want doesn't sell out in advance. Sometimes it's not an overreaction: while it's not an online pre-order thing, I guess Record Store Day in-store items are like that, where it's imperative to get a copy as quickly as possible, but as far as online ordering goes, I'm sure that there are plenty of super limited edition physical album/box releases by any number of artists (not pertaining to Record Store Day, but actual releases that are sold online) that get snapped up by pre-orders long before the release date, and become unobtanium shortly thereafter, unless people pay jacked up prices.

Again, this is presumably irrelevant to FF, but that mindset may be just burned into people's mindsets as a knee-jerk thing across the board nowadays, since physical releases are becoming less common in general, and often are done in smaller production runs. I guess some people who are huge fans just want to have it ordered as soon as humanly possible, and not have to think/worry about whether or not it'll sell out, be difficult to purchase, etc down the road.

Personally I'm not worried about pre-ordering way in advance, because despite that I'm a BBs superfan and CANNOT WAIT to hear FF, I have no reason to think the box will be difficult to obtain if not pre-ordered well in advance. But I'll definitely pre-order it whenever it goes onsale!

I do wonder how many copies will be manufactured of FF. I would imagine that if demand were to exceed the expected supply, that more copies would be subsequently manufactured to meet demand. If Rolling Stone and all of the old guard magazines/publications go batshit crazy about how awesome FF is, and the promotion is done really well, plus great buzz/word of mouth through fans, I have an optimistic hunch that FF will actually exceed sales expectations, and maybe they'll have to make a 2nd or 3rd pressing.
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« Reply #3309 on: May 26, 2021, 02:22:22 PM »

I've never understood this whole phenomenon of pre-ordering. Is there some reason that's better than just trotting down to the record store on release day? Is there some danger all the copies will sell out the first day?

The "trotting" part, I reckon. Smiley
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« Reply #3310 on: May 26, 2021, 02:31:28 PM »

I've been working with the great Justin Kreutzmann on some beautiful promo clips for the set.
It's gaining speed, people.
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« Reply #3311 on: May 26, 2021, 02:46:03 PM »

We appreciate your encouraging updates, Howie! "Your doctor knows it keeps us calm..."  Smokin
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« Reply #3312 on: May 26, 2021, 03:11:27 PM »

Pre-ordering online is a necessity for most if they want it on release date. There is no record store to trot down to anymore for many if not most folks. They don't exist anymore for many folks, unless they want to drive long distances to the few indies that survive. Big box retailers aren't going to carry most stuff.

What I don't understand is the need to pre-order things *far* in advance. Other than locking in a good price if it goes up initially for pre-orders at a low price, there's no need to pre-order things *months* in advance rather than days or a few weeks.

Yeah, I live quite a distance from a record store that I'm not even sure exists anymore. I'm so busy these days that even a 40 minute trip into town takes a good chunk out of my free time. Pre-ordering and having it shipped to my house is very convenient...although, the Made in California set was 3 days late in getting to my house - that was a very long 3 days.

I remember getting The Smile Sessions for a lower price by pre-ordering months in advance...but looking back at the order, I paid $110 for it, not sure if the price went up from that closer to release day or not.
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« Reply #3313 on: May 26, 2021, 05:07:10 PM »

I don't know whether I'll pre-order from Amazon.  I did for TSS and MIC, but I'll need to know more about FF before ordering.
Personally, I'd love to return to the aforementioned days when I walked into Borders on release day and picked up a Pet Soudns box from the stack of 20 that they had.  I personally frequent some good, large independent record stores, but how confident am I that, in 2021, I'll be able to walk into one of those stores on release day and buy a Feel Flows box?  Frankly, not confident at all.   It's such a different retail environment compared to 25+ years ago. At this point, (1) who knows if who'll even be carrying the item?  And (2) even if they do carry it, in what quantity?    There's a mentality now, especially with respect to high-end archival box sets, that more or less everyone who wants the thing is going to buy it on Amazon so even good retailers aren't going to take on big quantities
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« Reply #3314 on: May 27, 2021, 02:01:45 AM »

I've been working with the great Justin Kreutzmann on some beautiful promo clips for the set.
It's gaining speed, people.


That's great! I'm glad that your working to promote this kind of stuff. IIRC you mentioned a couple of years back how much more could be done to promote things like "Made in California" etc. I totally agree with that and it's good that you now have the chance to influence this to some degree. I'm looking forward to the clips!
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« Reply #3315 on: May 31, 2021, 09:27:09 PM »

I know I am annoying everyone

But it has to be this week we hear something   Grin
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« Reply #3316 on: June 02, 2021, 03:38:02 AM »

Hey all.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B095LF5R5N/ref=tmm_acd_title_20?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1622628282&sr=1-3
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« Reply #3317 on: June 02, 2021, 04:10:59 AM »

Good catch. You have to scroll down to the product description, but yep, that's it!

Only the two disk LP version listed so far, (clicking on the boxed set lead to Billy Eyelash, no thanks). A price of £19.81

Page 133 of the thread, it begins........

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Feel Flows: The Sunflower & Surf’s Up Sessions 1969-1971

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« Reply #3318 on: June 02, 2021, 04:32:49 AM »

Billie Elish  LOL

This is great news. Hopefully the errors will be fixed by today or tomorrow
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« Reply #3319 on: June 02, 2021, 06:29:32 AM »

DISC ONE
SUNFLOWER Original Album
1. Slip On Through (2019 master) (2:19)
2. This Whole World (2019 master) (1:58)
3. Add Some Music To Your Day (2019 master) (3:36)
4. Got To Know The Woman (2019 master) (2:43)
5. Deirdre (2019 master) (3:30)
6. It’s About Time (2019 master) (2:57)
7. Tears In The Morning (2019 master) (4:07)
8. All I Wanna Do (2019 master) (2:36)
9. Forever (2019 master) (2:42)
10. Our Sweet Love (2019 master) (2:41)
11. At My Window (2019 master) (2:32)
12. Cool, Cool Water (2019 master) (5:03)
13. Sunflower Promo 1 (previously unreleased) (0:59)
SUNFLOWER Live
Previously Unreleased – Produced by The Beach Boys
14. This Whole World (Live 1988) (2:10)
15. Add Some Music To Your Day (Live 1993) (3:23)
16. Susie Cincinnati (Live 1976) (2:46)
17. Back Home (Live 1976) (3:15)
18. It’s About Time (Live 1971) (3:45)
19. Riot In Cell Block 9 (Live 1970) (3:34)
SUNFLOWER Bonus Tracks
20. Break Away (original 1969 single mix) (2:55)
21. Celebrate The News (previously unreleased 2020 mix) (2:37)
22. Loop De Loop (previously unreleased 1969 mix) (2:59)
23. San Miguel (previously unreleased 2020 mix) (2:33)
24. Susie Cincinnati (previously unreleased 2020 mix) (3:02)
25. Good Time (previously unreleased 2019 mix) (2:56)
26. Two Can Play (previously unreleased 2019 mix) (2:06)
27. Cotton Fields (The Cotton Song) (2021 stereo mix – previously unreleased) (3:21)

DISC TWO
SURF’S UP Original Album
1. Don’t Go Near The Water (2019 master) (2:41)
2. Long Promised Road (2019 master) (3:32)
3. Take A Load Off Your Feet (2019 master) (2:32)
4. Disney Girls (1957) (2019 master) (4:08)
5. Student Demonstration Time (2019 master) (3:59)
6. Feel Flows (2019 master) (4:44)
7. Lookin’ At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song) (2019 master) (1:57)
8. A Day In The Life Of A Tree (2019 master) (3:09)
9. Til I Die (2019 master) (2:32)
10. Surf’s Up (2019 master) (4:14)
11. Surf’s Up Promo (previously unreleased) (1:02)
SURF’S UP Live
Previously Unreleased – Produced by The Beach Boys
12. Take A Load Off Your Feet (Live 1993) (2:35)
13. Long Promised Road (Live 1972) (4:14)
14. Disney Girls (Live 1982) (4:23)
15. Surf’s Up (Live 1973) (4:58)
16. Student Demonstration Time (Live 1971) (4:42)
Surf’s Up Bonus Tracks
17. Big Sur (previously unreleased) (2:35)
18. H.E.L.P. Is On The Way (previously unreleased 2019 mix) (2:31)
19. Sweet And Bitter (previously unreleased) (2:33)
20. My Solution (previously unreleased) (3:44)
21. 4th of July (2019 mix – previously unreleased) (3:11)
22. Sound of Free (1970 single mix, 2019 master) (2:22)
23. Lady (Fallin’ In Love) (1970 stereo mix – previously unreleased) (2:21)
24. Seasons In The Sun (previously unreleased) (3:27)

DISC THREE
SUNFLOWER SESSIONS
1. Sunflower Promo 2 (previously unreleased) (0:59)
2. Slip On Through (track and backing vocals – previously unreleased) (2:47)
3. This Whole World (long version track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (3:10)
4. Add Some Music To Your Day (track and backing vocals – previously unreleased) (4:35)
5. Deirdre (track – previously unreleased) (3:34)
6. It’s About Time (track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (2:53)
7. Tears In The Morning (track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (4:08)
8. All I Wanna Do (session intro, track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (3:46)
9. Forever (session highlights – previously unreleased) (3:36)
10. Forever (track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (3:01)
11. Our Sweet Love (track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (2:39)
12. At My Window (track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (2:50)
13. Cool Cool Water (alternate 2019 mix – previously unreleased) (6:24)
14. San Miguel (track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (2:57)
15. Loop De Loop (track – previously unreleased) (2:49)
16. Good Time (session intro, track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (4:27)
17. When Girls Get Together (track – previously unreleased) (1:47)
18. Slip On Through (alternate 1969 mix with session intro – previously unreleased) (3:25)
19. Our Sweet Love (string section – previously unreleased) (1:00)
1969-1970 a Cappella
20. San Miguel (backing vocals excerpt – previously unreleased) (1:00)
21. Break Away (Tag) (backing vocals excerpt – previously unreleased) (0:18)
22. Cotton Fields (The Cotton Song) (a Cappella – previously unreleased) (2:44)
23. Good Time (backing vocals excerpt – previously unreleased) (0:19)
24. This Whole World (backing vocals section – previously unreleased) (1:05)
25. Add Some Music To Your Day (a Cappella – previously unreleased) (3:30)
26. Got To Know The Woman (a Cappella – previously unreleased) (2:52)
27. It’s About Time (backing vocals excerpt – previously unreleased) (0:50)
28. All I Wanna Do (a Cappella – previously unreleased) (2:58)
29. Forever (previously unreleased 2019 a Cappella mix) (2:52)

DISC FOUR
SURF’S UP SESSIONS
1. Don’t Go Near The Water (track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (3:45)
2. Long Promised Road (track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (3:38)
3. Take A Load Off Your Feet (alternate vocal – previously unreleased) (2:28)
4. Disney Girls (1957) (track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (4:17)
5. Student Demonstration Time (track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (3:46)
6. Feel Flows (track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (5:02)
7. Lookin’ At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song) (session intro and alternate mix – previously unreleased) (2:43)
8. A Day In The Life Of A Tree (track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (2:55)
9. Til I Die (long version with alternate lyrics – previously unreleased) (4:47)
(Brian Wilson)
10. Surf’s Up (2019 mix – previously unreleased) (4:08)
(Brian Wilson-Van Dyke Parks)
11. (Wouldn’t It Be Nice To) Live Again (extended 2019 – previously unreleased) (6:50)
(Dennis Wilson-Stanley Shapiro)
Surf’s Up a Cappella
12. Don’t Go Near The Water (previously unreleased 2020 a Cappella mix) (2:36)
(Alan Jardine-Mike Love)
13. Long Promised Road (a Cappella – previously unreleased) (4:00)
14. Feel Flows (backing vocals excerpt – previously unreleased) (0:33)
15. Disney Girls (backing vocals excerpt – previously unreleased) (0:36)
16. A Day In The Life Of A Tree (backing vocals excerpt – previously unreleased) (0:32)
17. Til I Die (a Cappella – previously unreleased) (2:36)
18. Surf’s Up (a Cappella – previously unreleased) (4:04)
Bonus Tracks
19. I Just Got My Pay (previously unreleased 2019 mix) (2:43)
20. Walkin’ (previously unreleased 2019 mix) (2:44)
21. When Girls Get Together (previously unreleased 2020 mix) (3:45)
22. Baby Baby (previously unreleased) (3:13)
23. Awake (previously unreleased) (3:44)
24. It’s A New Day (previously unreleased) (2:20)

DISC FIVE
Bonus Disc
1. This Whole World (alternate ending – previously unreleased) (1:41)
2. Add Some Music To Your Day (previously unreleased alternate version) (3:27)
3. Don’t Go Near The Water (alternate version – previously unreleased) (2:42)
4. Surf’s Up Part 1 (1971 remake track with 1966 Brian vocal – previously unreleased) (1:41)
5. Soulful Old Man Sunshine (previously unreleased 2019 mix) (3:14)
(Brian Wilson-Rick Henn-Don Ralke)
6. I’m Goin’ Your Way (previously unreleased alternate mix) (2:24)
(Dennis Wilson)
7. Where Is She (previously unreleased 2019 mix) (2:22)
(Brian Wilson)
8. Carnival (Over The Waves/Sobra Las Olas) (previously unreleased 2019 mix) (1:34)
9. It’s Natural (previously unreleased) (2:35)
10. Medley: All Of My Love / Ecology (previously unreleased) (5:05)
11. Before (previously unreleased) (2:25)
12. Behold The Night (previously unreleased) (2:26)
13. Old Movie (Cuddle Up) (previously unreleased) (3:37)
14. Hawaiian Dream (previously unreleased) (4:33)
15. Settle Down / Sound Of Free (basic session outtake – previously unreleased) (2:17)
16. I’ve Got A Friend (previously unreleased) (2:26)
17. Til I Die (piano demo – previously unreleased) (1:55)
18. Back Home (previously unreleased demo) (2:20)
19. Back Home (alternate version – previously unreleased) (2:34)
20. Won’t You Tell Me (demo – previously unreleased) (2:01)
21. Won’t You Tell Me (previously unreleased 2019 mix) (2:54)
22. Barbara (previously unreleased 2020 mix) (2:59)
23. Slip On Through (early version track) (2:48)
24. Susie Cincinnati (basic session highlights – previously unreleased) (3:05)
25. My Solution (track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (3:04)
26. You Never Give Me Your Money (previously unreleased) (0:40)
27. Medley: Happy Birthday, Brian / God Only Knows (previously unreleased) (2:47)
28. You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone (track & backing vocals – previously unreleased) (3:32)
29. Marcella (a Cappella – previously unreleased) (3:27)
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« Reply #3320 on: June 02, 2021, 06:53:28 AM »

whoa mama!

EDIT: packaging images from SHF

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« Reply #3321 on: June 02, 2021, 07:00:00 AM »

 Happy Dance  w00t!  Brian, Dennis, & Carl

"This Whole World" live!! (Actually I'm very happy about the whole package.)
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« Reply #3322 on: June 02, 2021, 07:37:44 AM »

Wow, where to start?

The cover art is very reminiscent of the Friends artwork, also Endless Summer. I like it. Very of the era. It almost looks like an alternate cover for Sunflower. I like how it showcases all the band members and underlines how this was a group effort. I notice Mike's picture is the biggest. Maybe we've uncovered the reason for the delay Grin

The booklet looks nice and thick. I'm hoping there is a lot of sessionography and recording tech porn.

As for the track listing, how exciting. I need to go back over this in detail, but my eye is initially drawn to disk 5. All those Dennis songs!

It states for disk 1 and 2 that these are 2019 masters. Are we to then expect a remaster of the original albums rather than remixes?. I'm presuming there is a contunation of the practice started with the Wild Honey collection as listing new mixes as previously unreleased

It looks like we're getting all the things we hoped for, such as the Dennis material, extended Till I Die with alternate lyrics and a clean My Solution. I know we heard the latter on the snippets release, but it's good to know for sure.

Some tracks I've never heard of, namely:-

Baby, Baby
Before
Behold
Hawaiian Dream

Mark, Alan, Howie. Thank you. It looks like you've done us proud again.
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« Reply #3323 on: June 02, 2021, 07:38:31 AM »

nothing like a full tracklisting and artwork reveal to totally kill this thread.

is everybody sleeping at the same time?

this is what we've been constantly refreshing for!
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« Reply #3324 on: June 02, 2021, 07:39:03 AM »

Great artwork, very reflective of the budget. Is that Mama Cass on guitar?
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