Feel Flows box set

[Greg Parry]

I don't care about who mixes and different this and that. All this is that! As a long-time fan - 50 years+ - I'm just happy there is "new" material coming out, legally. Hopefully I'll stay alive, trying to avoid this damn corona, for many years. In the next few years we'll hopefully get to hear more from the best era in the BB history. So stop bashing, stop those silly meaningless discussions, and just be happy there is "new" material coming out at all! I'm happy for every little snippet that comes out. Wishing a Happy Easter to all BB fans and prominent guests of this board!

Whilst I concur that any project that holds a stethoscope up to the Sunflower / Surf's Up era is going to be interesting and worthwhile, to adopt the mentality that we should be happy with what we get is to lay yourself wide open to a good soap-dropping in the prison shower from the forces of capitalism. 

Well, that choice of metaphor is just class all the way . . . hardly likely to be offensive to anyone.

Read it in context.

[SMiLE Brian]

Great metaphor, we can’t just settle for whatever released on a whim. How about a feel flows deluxe edition with Desper’s encoded mix?

[Sam_BFC]

It is valid to make a point about the exploitative nature of capitalism. But some might find the comparison between what was implied and a relatively trivial musical release somewhat disproportionate and distasteful.

[Greg Parry]

It is valid to make a point about the exploitative nature of capitalism. But some might find the comparison between what was implied and a relatively trivial musical release somewhat disproportionate and distasteful.

It was a general point, and not specifically about Feel Flows. It certainly wasn't supposed to be controversial. I won't delete it as it has already been quoted, but apologies to Sam and thetogo for any offense caused. I'll rein in my metaphors in future. 

[Sam_BFC]

I wasn't bothered or offended, I was just considering how others might be in light of the previous comment. I know that wasn't obvious from my post.

[thetojo]

I wasn't bothered or offended, I was just considering how others might be in light of the previous comment. I know that wasn't obvious from my post.

+ 1

I must say that I myself do a fair bit of stirring. Now I feel bad that I made a point of it. I don't take anything too seriously, so don't stress on my account.

For the most part I find it's a pretty good group here and we all understand each other well and no-one sets out to offend anyone.

[Sam_BFC]

I should also add that only commenting on that sentence does a disservice to what was an interesting post, along with others on the topic (Joshiliyn et al).

I am reminded of a quote I saw many years ago, which was contemporary to the period in which the concert hall acoustics were first imprinted on classical recordings (after the acoustic era perhaps), and where a commentator of the time was questioning the authenticity of such practices. I think it would have been in the Greg Milner book if you have read that.

It would also be interesting to know from Mark L the extent to which they do have the headphone generation in mind when working on this stuff; it is surely unlikely that headphones are anything more than a secondary reference whilst he is doing the work.

[bsten]

What I meant was I see a lot of selfishess - I want this, I want that. We could discuss forever till our heads turn blue. Sure, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but in the end, well, we get what we get. And there's nothing we can do about it.

I fully agree that it's sad Desper had no say. Sad news indeed, still nothing we can do anything about.

There's no doubt we get good value for our money. Anything "new" from the BB is welcome, and worth every penny.

It's funny though, w/all boots that have been released, there's hardly been any arguments or discussions. We have accepted them and thanked God we had some ear-pleasing stuff from "our" boys. Audiophiles or not.

I am thankful to have lived in the same period as the BB, and not in the 1700's 1200's or whatever.

Still happy for every little snippet that's released, legal or not, preferably legal. Long live the Beach Boys! They certainly made my life better...

[Dove Nested Towers]

Great metaphor, we can’t just settle for whatever released on a whim. How about a feel flows deluxe edition with Desper’s encoded mix?

It's always unfortunate when art and commerce collide, and the sales potential for an eminently worthwhile release are limited to a relatively narrow demographic of hard-cores, so that that research, personnel and packaging expenses become a factor, if that's what happened here. Luckily Alan and Mark are on board to ensure that these obstacles to full fruition are minimized as much as humanly possible, and can provide a more than adequate buffer for any minor technical compromises that may or may not have had to be made here, due to budgetary restrictions.

Too bad the flowering of lavish, nearly unlimited support for new releases that blossomed during the late '60s didn't happen to coincide with archival era (and that Smile couldn't have benefited from the full financial support and treatment from Capitol that was forthcoming at the time if only it had been completed. I can just picture that jewel dropping down onto the heads, eyes and ears of the unsuspecting masses in its contemporary context, both as an object of unparalleled physical and aural loveliness.)

With Regard to Desper (and Carl Wilson)'s visions of sonic perfection for this material, I bow down to their dedication for their craft and pursuit of absolute perfection and beauty. Thank you.

[Don Malcolm]

Given the increasingly tortured politics in play around the band and its surviving members, we are indeed fortunate to get anything "new" from the band. Given that, it is highly likely that any discussion of the sound technology at the heart of SUNFLOWER and SURF'S UP was simply unable to rise to a sufficient level of scrutiny to warrant what might have been another impasse-producing moment in a project that seems to have had more than its share of them.

But fans can still speak with their pocketbooks on that particular issue if they so choose. Once FEEL FLOWS is released, the various platforms for raising money to fund a project that would permit the needed work to re-implement Steve's technology and bring it out as a separate set on its own could be put into play to provide a framework to bring this to fruition (along the lines of SMiLE BRIAN's suggestion).

What's needed for that is a credible budget estimate for the work necessary to prepare the new mixes, and the associated costs to produce a physical product (CDs, packaging).

Since FEEL FLOWS won't provide a full re-mix of either LP, this strikes me as the way to proceed to preserve what Carl and Steve masterminded back in the day, regardless of what might happen in the future.

[Joel Goldenberg]

Speaking of unreleased surround-related material, Van Dyke Parks has revelaed on Twitter that a surround mix of his Song Cycle LP was created, but no one wants to release it.

[Rebel]

Speaking of unreleased surround-related material, Van Dyke Parks has revelaed on Twitter that a surround mix of his Song Cycle LP was created, but no one wants to release it.

Oh my GOD. I’d kill for that. Where did he say that? Any way we can help? A go fund me?

[Lonely Summer]

The release date for Feel Flows box set is July 22, 2021"

Maybe he means 2022. July 22, 2022 indeed is a Friday.

Or it could be July 23, 2023. Don't know if that is a Friday, though.
Or it could be July 32, 2525.

[rab2591]

What I meant was I see a lot of selfishess - I want this, I want that. We could discuss forever till our heads turn blue. Sure, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but in the end, well, we get what we get. And there's nothing we can do about it.

I fully agree that it's sad Desper had no say. Sad news indeed, still nothing we can do anything about.

There's no doubt we get good value for our money. Anything "new" from the BB is welcome, and worth every penny.

It's funny though, w/all boots that have been released, there's hardly been any arguments or discussions. We have accepted them and thanked God we had some ear-pleasing stuff from "our" boys. Audiophiles or not.

I am thankful to have lived in the same period as the BB, and not in the 1700's 1200's or whatever.

Still happy for every little snippet that's released, legal or not, preferably legal. Long live the Beach Boys! They certainly made my life better...

THIS. Given how passionate Howie has sounded about the project over the last year I am completely confident that this will be a set we're all going to be happy with. Sure, I'd love Desper's input (both interviews and on the mixes) - but we didn't get that with this. However, I have total faith in Mark, Alan, Howie, and everyone else who has had a hand in this project. Look at the Smile Sessions, look at MiC. Look at the Wild Honey releases. Sonically we have never been let down by these guys, when it comes to packaging physical boxsets we have been some of the luckiest fans on the planet (I don't think I've seen any boxset come close to the detail that The Smile Sessions had).

bsten, you raise such a great point about how lucky we are as people to even be alive at this point in time - most all of us live 100x better than kings who lived 200 years ago. We are the most fortunate people on the planet yet we seem so discontented with the luxuries we've been blessed to enjoy in this life.

Also, I find it humorous that the people who complain so much about capitalism do so on computers/phones built by child labor with parts that are undeniably killing this planet. If we're going to point out the failings of capitalism there are better places to start than a Beach Boys release that is entirely full of tunes that would only exist in a capitalist society.

[Greg Parry]

Also, I find it humorous that the people who complain so much about capitalism do so on computers/phones built by child labor with parts that are undeniably killing this planet. If we're going to point out the failings of capitalism there are better places to start than a Beach Boys release that is entirely full of tunes that would only exist in a capitalist society.

Breath taking hypocrisy is my middle name.

[roffels]

Also, I find it humorous that the people who complain so much about capitalism do so on computers/phones built by child labor with parts that are undeniably killing this planet.

https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/

[rab2591]

Also, I find it humorous that the people who complain so much about capitalism do so on computers/phones built by child labor with parts that are undeniably killing this planet. If we're going to point out the failings of capitalism there are better places to start than a Beach Boys release that is entirely full of tunes that would only exist in a capitalist society.

Breath taking hypocrisy is my middle name.

Mine too at times . I do also agree with much of your initial post.

[Greg Parry]

Also, I find it humorous that the people who complain so much about capitalism do so on computers/phones built by child labor with parts that are undeniably killing this planet. If we're going to point out the failings of capitalism there are better places to start than a Beach Boys release that is entirely full of tunes that would only exist in a capitalist society.

Breath taking hypocrisy is my middle name.

Mine too at times . I do also agree with much of your initial post.

And with my faux pas now forgiven, and a potential thread derailment avoided, its back to business as usual.

Hmmm, I wonder when this set is coming out

[Shady]

Nothing Beach Boys related on any RSD lists this year

[thetojo]

Hmmm, I wonder when this set is coming out

Okay - now you're talking. If it was before mid-May we'd probably have some solid info by now.

I was hoping for June which would be early Summer - plus I just want this asap.

The 22 July date, although not a Friday is the best lead we have - just thinking outside the square here for a mo - that date is a Thursday, which if this box was to be released on the Friday morning in New Zealand, Australia  etc. - that would still be Thursday in the U.S. - what do you guys think of that logic?

My money is on 23 July for the time being (until I change my mind . . . again).

[onkster]

Speaking of unreleased surround-related material, Van Dyke Parks has revelaed on Twitter that a surround mix of his Song Cycle LP was created, but no one wants to release it.

Oh my GOD. I’d kill for that. Where did he say that? Any way we can help? A go fund me?

Hell, I’d settled for a reverb-free or semi-dry remix in stereo. There’s a great album in there buried under a wall of sonic muck.

[Rebel]

Speaking of unreleased surround-related material, Van Dyke Parks has revelaed on Twitter that a surround mix of his Song Cycle LP was created, but no one wants to release it.

Do you have a link? I can’t find it on Twitter.

[thetojo]

Funny, when I just checked in to see what's happening in this thread I could've sworn I saw a tumbleweed roll across my screen.  

[Lonely Summer]

Funny, when I just checked in to see what's happening in this thread I could've sworn I saw a tumbleweed roll across my screen.  

[Dove Nested Towers]

Funny, when I just checked in to see what's happening in this thread I could've sworn I saw a tumbleweed roll across my screen.  

It'll be raining new desert content shortly.